Can you overdo Fiber and Protein

You will find that most people on this site that are working out do go over their protein goal. I don't see that having more fiber would be a bad thing either.

If you're over on protein, would you share your secrets?
I'm doing 40 carb, 30 fat, 30 protein, and I almost NEVER eat enough protein! It's a real weakness for me.

You're doing well!

I average 225g of protein and 50g of fiber a day and I haven't died.


Yet.

Protines something that doesn't bother me when I go a little over it, because it is generally a 'slow digestive' nutrional part, which means I won't be hungry in the long and short of things.

It is the devil, known as Sodium, that I must watch out. With my family's history of heart problems...

If you're over on protein, would you share your secrets?
I'm doing 40 carb, 30 fat, 30 protein, and I almost NEVER eat enough protein! It's a real weakness for me.

You're doing well!

Natural chicken and turkey are high in protein with 0 carbs, make sure to read the label, you also may want to incorporate a protein shake, I do 50 carbs max and minimum of 100 protein and I'm normally around 115 at the end of the day for my protein, feel free to add me and check out my diary!

Interestingly enough, I was just researching this very topic this afternoon. The general concensus is that going over on proteins is not harmful, it won't accelerate or otherwise improve your weight loss / muscle gain process either. The body does not store excess protein, and if you go more than double your intake you have the potential of the excess being stored as fat.

Found this handy calculation in order to determine your appropriate protein intake:

1. Weight in pounds divided by 2.2 = weight in kg
2. Weight in kg x 0.8-1.8 gm/kg = protein gm.

The important thing to note is the range of .8 - 1.8. Use the lower number if you are sedentary, and the higher number if you are extremely active. So for example, if you weigh 200lbs, divide that by 2.2. That results in 90.9. Multiply that by your activity level. If you are sedentary, let's say it's .8. So, 90.9 * .8 = 72.7. That is how many grams of protein you can reasonably add into your diet. You'd really only have to worry if you were taking in more than double that.

Hope this helps!

I average 225g of protein and 50g of fiber a day and I haven't died.


Yet.

Having a Sister on Dialysis from IGA Kidney Failure, I can tell you this. Your body can process 30gms of protein per hour, and after weight training, up 45 or 50gms per hour. However, the max per day that your body can process is 230gms...give or take a few.

So while you may not notice anything wrong, you could very well be killing your kidney's, and if you didn't know what to look for, you would never know the signs.

For building muscle, you need .75 - .90 gms of protein per pound of body weight. So at 177, I would need around 150gms per day.

Long story shortened....YES, you can over do it on Protein (not sure about Fiber)

Mine doesn't show a fiber count, why is that? (new to mfp)

click Food tab...click Settings...Change "Nutrients Tracked"

You're fine. (just looked).

A lot of people like to eat a fair bit more protein anyway. The scary symptoms listed above happen at extremely excessive rates -- also, fiber can constipate you if you don't drink enough liquids. 25g is a very common recommendation for women for fiber and you had 26 yesterday -- mfp seems to go off a different number based on your calorie goal.

I average 225g of protein and 50g of fiber a day and I haven't died.


Yet.

Having a Sister on Dialysis from IGA Kidney Failure, I can tell you this. Your body can process 30gms of protein per hour, and after weight training, up 45 or 50gms per hour. However, the max per day that your body can process is 230gms...give or take a few.

So while you may not notice anything wrong, you could very well be killing your kidney's, and if you didn't know what to look for, you would never know the signs.

For building muscle, you need .75 - .90 gms of protein per pound of body weight. So at 177, I would need around 150gms per day.

Long story shortened....YES, you can over do it on Protein (not sure about Fiber)

This is extremely helpful. Thank you!

Too much of anything can be a bad thing... Here is what I have found with some research.

If you consume too much fiber it may cause:
- Bloating
- Cramps
- Diarrhea
- Constipation
- Malabsorption
- Gas
- Intestinal Blockage

If you consume too much protein it may cause:
- Weight Gain
- Intestinal Irritation
- Dehydration
- Seizures (if not enough water is consumed)
- Increased liver enzymes
- Nutritional deficiencies
- Kidney problems

This is helpful! Thank you!

If you're over on protein, would you share your secrets?
I'm doing 40 carb, 30 fat, 30 protein, and I almost NEVER eat enough protein! It's a real weakness for me.

You're doing well!

Me as well. Same ratio and I always end up around 23-26 protein, no matter how much meat I feel I'm eating ;(

As a nurse I've taken care of ppl on dialysis and they are always on a high protein diet with protein supplements (nepro, whey, etc) Why is that? If high protein is bad for kidneys? I have always wondered?

Plus the protein set on MFP is pretty low IMHO. I've been trying to increase my intake.

"Too Much Protein

So think twice when you consider sacrificing the carbohydrates for a protein-dominant diet, Butterfield says. Drastically cutting carbohydrates from your diet may force your body to fight back.

She says that's because a diet in which protein makes up more than 30% of your caloric intake causes a buildup of toxic ketones. So-called ketogenic diets can thrust your kidneys into overdrive in order to flush these ketones from your body. As your kidneys rid your body of these toxic ketones, you can lose a significant amount of water, which puts you at risk of dehydration, particularly if you exercise heavily.

That water loss often shows up on the scale as weight loss. But along with losing water, you lose muscle mass and bone calcium. The dehydration also strains your kidneys and puts stress on your heart."

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=50900

"The Renal Diet- Protein
Before making any changes to your diet, make sure you discuss them with your doctor or dietitian.
Diet plays an important role in the management of kidney disease. The diet your physician will ask you to follow will be based upon your level of kidney function, your body size, and any other medical conditions you may have. Your diet may be helpful in delaying the need for dialysis.
Protein is needed to maintain muscles, aid in building resistance to infections, and repair and replace body tissue.
As your body breaks down protein foods, waste products called urea are formed. As kidney function declines, urea builds up in the bloodstream.
Eating to much protein may cause urea to build up more quickly. This will make you feel sick.
Eating less protein may be helpful in reducing your blood urea levels.
Reducing protein intake must be monitored by your doctor and dietician.
Examples of foods high in protein are:
• Meat
• Poultry
• Milk Products
• Eggs
Foods low in protein includes the following:
• Fresh beans (pinto, kidney, navy)
• Grains
• Vegetables
You need both high quality and low quality protein in your diet. Your physician will determine how much protein should be in your diet."

http://www.mcw.edu/Nephrology/ClinicalServices/DietforRenalPatient.htm#.T86X6rBDySo

I average 225g of protein and 50g of fiber a day and I haven't died.


Yet.

Having a Sister on Dialysis from IGA Kidney Failure, I can tell you this. Your body can process 30gms of protein per hour, and after weight training, up 45 or 50gms per hour. However, the max per day that your body can process is 230gms...give or take a few.

So while you may not notice anything wrong, you could very well be killing your kidney's, and if you didn't know what to look for, you would never know the signs.

For building muscle, you need .75 - .90 gms of protein per pound of body weight. So at 177, I would need around 150gms per day.

Long story shortened....YES, you can over do it on Protein (not sure about Fiber)

A number of health risks have been attributed to the consumption of high protein intakes, this includes potential problems with the kidneys, bone health, metabolic acidosis and certain types of cancers. For the most part, these risks tend to be extremely overstated.

While high protein intakes may cause problems when there is pre-existing kidney disease, no research suggests that high protein intakes cause kidney damage. While there is potential for high protein intakes to cause body calcium loss, this appears to only occur when calcium intake is insufficient in the first place; high protein intakes with high calcium intakes improves bone health. Ensuring sufficient vegetable intake along with a high protein intake is a key aspect not only to bone health but to preventing a small metabolic acidosis which may occur when large amounts of protein are consumed by themselves.

Concerns over heart disease and cancer are more related to the high fat content of many cuts of meat, along with other nutritional factors such as insufficient fruit and vegetable intake that contributes. Other lifestyle factors that typically accompany the consumption of higher fat cuts of meat are also a likely contributor to the overall health risk. The consumption of lean cuts of meat has actually been shown to improve overall health; both athletic and diets for general health should ideally contain plenty of fruits and vegetables for this reason.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/protein-controversies.html

I don't like going by body weight. Part of body weight is fat, no need to fuel the fat. LBM should be used. My LBM is 210lbs. Most authorities recommend from 0.5-1.25g of protein per LBM

I do like the idea of using Lean Body Mass (LBM), instead of total mass...