Cals help,

debzza
debzza Posts: 25 Member
edited December 21 in Health and Weight Loss
Hi, any advice would be great.

Im on 1400 cals at the moment which i can cope with easily, but weight loss is soooo slow... 1lb off... then 1/2lb off then 1/2 on then 1lb off.... and im scared of getting bored if i dont see any results soon, ive lost 8lbs alltogether but i feel like ive been doing it for aaaaages.

Im thinking of lowering my cals to either 1200 or 1300 but dont want to go in to starvation mode.....or do you think i should up it to get my metabalisim working???? im sooo confused :ohwell:

Im... 4ft 11inchs short
started at... 213lbs
now... 205lbs

Thank youu. x
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  • debzza
    debzza Posts: 25 Member
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  • mcarter99
    mcarter99 Posts: 1,666 Member
    Your metabolism is working. I would try lower.
  • emnk5308
    emnk5308 Posts: 736
    I'm on 1100 a day. I'm going for 2 lbs loss each week. I personally think I could go lower to lose more.. I'm impatient and want to get through this fast.. the thing is you don't want to ruin your metabolism, and you don't want to reach your goal and then start eating more and gain it all back. So if I do decide I wanna go lower to lose weight faster, I'll go to the Dr. 2 lbs a week is safe.. I think it is the most usually recommended if you aren't going to the Dr for weight loss..
  • angleu
    angleu Posts: 140 Member
    DO NOT LOWER YOUR CALORIES..lol Seriously.. Do you want long term weight loss or short and fast and gain it back? Mine is set at 1431 plus I eat ALL my exercise calories. This is a long journey.. The faster you drop the weight by eating to little the harder it will be to keep it off..

    http://www.fat2fitradio.com/tools/bmr/ do not eat below your bmr.

    Now myself, I'm getting married in 3 weeks. Still eating about 1600-1700 calories a day including work outs. When I get back from my honeymoon, I will increase my calories to where it needs to be. But I still don't eat below my bmr.

    It will be better in long term success if you lose 1lb a week..for a month i lost nothing..but i stuck to it then 3lbs came off but it didn't happen till I ate more to be honest..
  • debzza
    debzza Posts: 25 Member
    ok great, so maybe go to 1200 for a few weeks and see how that works out???
  • CallMeCupcakeDammit
    CallMeCupcakeDammit Posts: 9,377 Member
    ok great, so maybe go to 1200 for a few weeks and see how that works out???

    Did you read angleu's post?
  • angleu
    angleu Posts: 140 Member
    ugh! 1200 calories is like eating nothing. I'm going to shut up now..lol Gl on your journey But keep in mind hair loss and other things can happen if you eat too little for your body for too long of a period.
  • debzza
    debzza Posts: 25 Member
    ok great, so maybe go to 1200 for a few weeks and see how that works out???

    Did you read angleu's post?

    no sorry crossed posts...
  • debzza
    debzza Posts: 25 Member
    Sorry we must have been typing at the same time.....ok, so im going to work out my BMR again and see what that recomends, but your overall advice is "dont go below it"? x
  • tango645
    tango645 Posts: 11 Member
    I'd have to say about 98% of all my logged days here on MFP have been well below (400-500+ cals) below my BMR, and I rarely eat back all of my exercise calories. I understand the whole "eat more, lose more" argument, but I've never had a problem losing while eating below my BMR. If you'd like, try eating more for a couple weeks and see if anything changes. If not, then your macros (fat/protein/carbs) may be a factor. Personally, I could eat 1200-1400 calories a day without feeling hungry, and if I'm not hungry, I won't eat. Also, make sure to drink plenty of water!
  • CallMeCupcakeDammit
    CallMeCupcakeDammit Posts: 9,377 Member
    Right, don't go below your BMR. Go to that website fat2fitradio.com and see what it says. I know it will seem like a lot, and I thought so, too, when I used it, but then I went to a dietitian and got my metabolism tested, and she has me eating 1850-1900, which is just a little under what I got from f2f!

    Edited because I can't type coherently today, apparently!
  • mcarter99
    mcarter99 Posts: 1,666 Member
    The advice to not eat below your BMR is from a site called Fat 2 Fit Radio, which is run by two dieters, though one is a PE teacher. I don't see any other qualifications.

    I have never run across any medical or otherwise qualified recommendation to not eat below your BMR if you're overweight and it doesn't put you below 1200 calories/day.
  • debzza
    debzza Posts: 25 Member
    my BMR says 1673, then says x that by 1.375 = 2300 cals?!?!?! ... so do i have 1673 or 2300 cals a day?!?!

    I know i might sound thick but once i know which amount to stick to and see results ill be happy. x
  • CallMeCupcakeDammit
    CallMeCupcakeDammit Posts: 9,377 Member
    If you do the 2300, you do not eat back your exercise calories, because activity is factored in. The more weight you need to lose, the lower calories you'll be able to get away with at first, but eventually you'll stall. This is a lot to read, but it's good information. http://body-improvements.com/resources/eat/
  • debzza
    debzza Posts: 25 Member
    If you do the 2300, you do not eat back your exercise calories, because activity is factored in. The more weight you need to lose, the lower calories you'll be able to get away with at first, but eventually you'll stall. This is a lot to read, but it's good information. http://body-improvements.com/resources/eat/

    Thank you, it does sound a lot to me but if i havent got to eat cals back then thats fine, i can see from your ticker that you know what you are talking about!!! I thought i was doing so well but seen as its stopped i thought id ask for help... thank you for taking the time to answer me . xx
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,432 MFP Moderator
    I'd have to say about 98% of all my logged days here on MFP have been well below (400-500+ cals) below my BMR, and I rarely eat back all of my exercise calories. I understand the whole "eat more, lose more" argument, but I've never had a problem losing while eating below my BMR. If you'd like, try eating more for a couple weeks and see if anything changes. If not, then your macros (fat/protein/carbs) may be a factor. Personally, I could eat 1200-1400 calories a day without feeling hungry, and if I'm not hungry, I won't eat. Also, make sure to drink plenty of water!

    This biggest problem is people don't understand the ramifications of under eating. Like yourself, they think that hungry is a signal of whether or not a person should eat. Well here is the problem with hunger signals, it can be suppressed. All you have to do is go a week without eating higher calories and your body will adjust. Now multiply that out by months and you can see where it gets you. Also, your body doesn't know the difference between a lb of chicken vs a pound of carrots. Quantity is still the same but calories are different.


    Now, as a man, you have more nutritional requirements to maintain muscle mass. So what happens when you don't feed your body to run properly... simple, it coverts the amino acids from muscle into energy and stores fat. And what happens when you lose muscle... your metabolism slows down and your body becomes less effective at burning calories. That means, you burn less calories at rest and while being active which makes it even harder to lose weight and even easier to gain body fat. Now, I understand it may be working for you now, but long term, when you are in a healthy range, it's going to be very very difficult to lose the last few pounds. If you want to track your body fat in correlation with your weight loss, you can see how much lean body mass you have lost.


    OP,

    Below is a good article I suggest you read. It describes the issues I discussed above. Also, you should aim to eat 20-30% below your TDEE (30% is fine until you are within 50 lbs of your weight goal). Simply put, calories are fuel and if you don't feed yourself enough, your body will fight to preserve the calories. You have to remember our bodies are designed to withstand famine, which means it will store body fat when it feels there isn't enough coming in. Now, if you really want to tighten your body and become smaller/slimmer, then you should incorporate weight training. WT will cut more body fat than cardio will and it will help maintain your muscle.

    And I would have you eat around 1800 calories (35% carbs, 40% protein and 25% fats).


    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/core_march_8.htm
  • rainunrefined
    rainunrefined Posts: 850 Member
    Sounds to me like you're losing weight at a healthy pace. You didn't gain it all in one week, you surely won't lose it all in one week. It takes time, plus its much healthier and sustainable only losing 1lb or less a week.
  • vim_n_vigor
    vim_n_vigor Posts: 4,089 Member
    I am 5'4'', so pretty short too. I was going with the daily calories and adding exercise. I wasn't really getting anywhere. Now I eat at my BMR, and if my deficit for the week gets too high with exercise factored in, I will take a day or two to eat more. Also, any calories I earn after 5 pm, I'll add to my daily allowance. I do my main workout in the morning, so it usually isn't a whole lot more. I track my calories using my FitBit. (My daily intake, before any 'extras' is 1900. I workout moderate/high intensity 45 minutes 5-6 mornings a week +walk 1+ hours a day most days)
  • delilah47
    delilah47 Posts: 1,658
    I sometimes get too focused on immediate results. Since you can cope with 1400 calories, just focus on staying in your meal/calorie plan. Go out and exercise, dance, run, play in the park.. but don't focus on the scale. Time will go by much quicker and the pounds will keep coming off. If you don't be careful, you'll be weighing yourself every day! :laugh: Re-focus on fun things.
  • jenbridges
    jenbridges Posts: 213 Member
    when i started here, i was on 1400 cals, and i lost 11 pounds in 3 weeks. yay! since then, about a month, i havent lost anymore. I went into my settings and realized that i was not being honest with myself. i hadnt put my settings in properly because i didn't think i could *only* eat 1200 cals and not be hungry. so i changed my settings, it lowered my cals to 1230 and guess what? i am not hungry! hmm. i haven't weighed in since i change my cals since it was just a few days ago, but i am very curious to see if it makes a difference. i am also adding in some new exercises, since all i have been doing is walking. i am starting 30 day shred today, wish me luck! (also can add me as friend if you like. i need more friendly motivation. this applies to anyone!) good luck! :smile:
  • byock
    byock Posts: 23
    I always have a hard time with BMR calculators. I must have a non existent metabolism.

    According to Fat2fit I have a BMR of 1833. With light exercise I should be at 2569.

    I work out at the gym hard 5 days a week. 3 days heavy lifting, 2 days HITT cardio. I also have a 2nd job delivering 3 days a week on foot walking average of 8 miles a day with 60+ lbs on my back at 4mph.

    at 2000 calories a day I gain weight. I am down to 1600 a day total not eating back exercise calories and I am losing about .5 to 1lb a week. Best advice I can give is experiment and see what works for you.
  • tdmcmains
    tdmcmains Posts: 227 Member

    This biggest problem is people don't understand the ramifications of under eating. Like yourself, they think that hungry is a signal of whether or not a person should eat. Well here is the problem with hunger signals, it can be suppressed. All you have to do is go a week without eating higher calories and your body will adjust. Now multiply that out by months and you can see where it gets you. Also, your body doesn't know the difference between a lb of chicken vs a pound of carrots. Quantity is still the same but calories are different.


    Now, as a man, you have more nutritional requirements to maintain muscle mass. So what happens when you don't feed your body to run properly... simple, it coverts the amino acids from muscle into energy and stores fat. And what happens when you lose muscle... your metabolism slows down and your body becomes less effective at burning calories. That means, you burn less calories at rest and while being active which makes it even harder to lose weight and even easier to gain body fat. Now, I understand it may be working for you now, but long term, when you are in a healthy range, it's going to be very very difficult to lose the last few pounds. If you want to track your body fat in correlation with your weight loss, you can see how much lean body mass you have lost.


    OP,

    Below is a good article I suggest you read. It describes the issues I discussed above. Also, you should aim to eat 20-30% below your TDEE (30% is fine until you are within 50 lbs of your weight goal). Simply put, calories are fuel and if you don't feed yourself enough, your body will fight to preserve the calories. You have to remember our bodies are designed to withstand famine, which means it will store body fat when it feels there isn't enough coming in. Now, if you really want to tighten your body and become smaller/slimmer, then you should incorporate weight training. WT will cut more body fat than cardio will and it will help maintain your muscle.

    And I would have you eat around 1800 calories (35% carbs, 40% protein and 25% fats).


    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/core_march_8.htm

    ^^^ This.
  • mcarter99
    mcarter99 Posts: 1,666 Member
    If you do the 2300, you do not eat back your exercise calories, because activity is factored in. The more weight you need to lose, the lower calories you'll be able to get away with at first, but eventually you'll stall. This is a lot to read, but it's good information. http://body-improvements.com/resources/eat/

    I like that article. But upping her intake from 1400 to 2300 goes against his advice.

    4. Based on the trend you’re seeing with your tracking, adjust your intake accordingly.
  • debzza
    debzza Posts: 25 Member
    I sometimes get too focused on immediate results. Since you can cope with 1400 calories, just focus on staying in your meal/calorie plan. Go out and exercise, dance, run, play in the park.. but don't focus on the scale. Time will go by much quicker and the pounds will keep coming off. If you don't be careful, you'll be weighing yourself every day! :laugh: Re-focus on fun things.

    Tbh, i already do weigh myself everyday, but only take notice of my friday weigh in at a doctors clinic ( more accurate than mine) x thats why i wanted to get the cals right so i can realx about everything abit
  • welshae
    welshae Posts: 4 Member
    PLease do not lower your calories. Be really proud of what you've lost. If you plan on making this a lifetime change, then be happy with the slow progress. If your calorie intake becomes too low, your body will "hold" those lbs and it will make you crazy. You have to think of yourself on a marathon or 100 miler race and not a 5K race. Be positive, change up the routine by challenging your body and you will reach your goal. It's all mental. If you feel great - be great! :) This may sound really stupid - but I smile when I work out - it puts me in a positive mood and want to try harder/work harder. Stay strong.
  • ekone
    ekone Posts: 10 Member
    I think eating more calories to "get your metabolism working" is a mistake. What makes you think there is something wrong with your metabolism? If you eat less calories, you will lose more weight. It's simple math. But, you do have to eat enough calories to stay healthy (my guess is 1100, as one poster said, is too little- and I thought MFP does not let you go beneath 1200). Honestly, eat the calories MFP says to eat and be happy that you are losing weight every week, even in 1/2 pound increments.
    I'm on 1200 calories myself (at 5'1"), but I generally get to eat 150-200 more for exercise every day. The first few months were very hard- I felt extremely hungry. But, I am seeing a steady weight loss of about 1 pound a week and I'm thrilled. Seeing and feeling this transformation has been really exciting for me- I'm not bored yet.
  • mcarter99
    mcarter99 Posts: 1,666 Member


    This biggest problem is people don't understand the ramifications of under eating. Like yourself, they think that hungry is a signal of whether or not a person should eat. Well here is the problem with hunger signals, it can be suppressed. All you have to do is go a week without eating higher calories and your body will adjust. Now multiply that out by months and you can see where it gets you. Also, your body doesn't know the difference between a lb of chicken vs a pound of carrots. Quantity is still the same but calories are different.


    Now, as a man, you have more nutritional requirements to maintain muscle mass. So what happens when you don't feed your body to run properly... simple, it coverts the amino acids from muscle into energy and stores fat. And what happens when you lose muscle... your metabolism slows down and your body becomes less effective at burning calories. That means, you burn less calories at rest and while being active which makes it even harder to lose weight and even easier to gain body fat. Now, I understand it may be working for you now, but long term, when you are in a healthy range, it's going to be very very difficult to lose the last few pounds. If you want to track your body fat in correlation with your weight loss, you can see how much lean body mass you have lost.


    OP,

    Below is a good article I suggest you read. It describes the issues I discussed above. Also, you should aim to eat 20-30% below your TDEE (30% is fine until you are within 50 lbs of your weight goal). Simply put, calories are fuel and if you don't feed yourself enough, your body will fight to preserve the calories. You have to remember our bodies are designed to withstand famine, which means it will store body fat when it feels there isn't enough coming in. Now, if you really want to tighten your body and become smaller/slimmer, then you should incorporate weight training. WT will cut more body fat than cardio will and it will help maintain your muscle.

    And I would have you eat around 1800 calories (35% carbs, 40% protein and 25% fats).


    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/core_march_8.htm

    I'm in agreement with your recs but I don't think that article makes a good case for extremely slowed metabolism. There are many scientific studies that show dieters under-report their intake by huge amounts. He offers the case of one dieter on a self-reported diet. Plus it's all restaurant food. The caloric values in that are based on the 'spec' quantities from corporate. The food preparers usually go way over those. So nothing is measured, even if it is all recorded. It's just not a good example.
  • rose313
    rose313 Posts: 1,146 Member
    Sounds like you are doing fine, weight loss should not happen super fast anyway, it is healthy to lose a pound a week.
  • CallMeCupcakeDammit
    CallMeCupcakeDammit Posts: 9,377 Member
    If you do the 2300, you do not eat back your exercise calories, because activity is factored in. The more weight you need to lose, the lower calories you'll be able to get away with at first, but eventually you'll stall. This is a lot to read, but it's good information. http://body-improvements.com/resources/eat/

    I like that article. But upping her intake from 1400 to 2300 goes against his advice.

    4. Based on the trend you’re seeing with your tracking, adjust your intake accordingly.

    I read that as meaning if you're already using his formula of BW x 12-14 or BW x 16-18. On fat2fitradio, they also suggest adjusting your intake.

    "As you get closer to your goal weight, your weight loss will start to slow down. It is OK to eat a few hundred calories less per day (200-300) to speed up your weight loss at this point."

    Someone mentioned that they are not certified in anything, but they've done their research, and there is a whole group of people on this site that will swear that it works. Just something to consider other than eating lower than her body needs her to.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,432 MFP Moderator
    I think eating more calories to "get your metabolism working" is a mistake. What makes you think there is something wrong with your metabolism? If you eat less calories, you will lose more weight. It's simple math. But, you do have to eat enough calories to stay healthy (my guess is 1100, as one poster said, is too little- and I thought MFP does not let you go beneath 1200). Honestly, eat the calories MFP says to eat and be happy that you are losing weight every week, even in 1/2 pound increments.
    I'm on 1200 calories myself (at 5'1"), but I generally get to eat 150-200 more for exercise every day. The first few months were very hard- I felt extremely hungry. But, I am seeing a steady weight loss of about 1 pound a week and I'm thrilled. Seeing and feeling this transformation has been really exciting for me- I'm not bored yet.

    Unfortunately, bodies NEVER follow simple math, otherwise weight loss would be easy. And it's not as simple as eat less, exercise more. That theory has been proven to be wrong by hundreds and hundreds of threads on this board alone. But if she follows MFP (at 1400 calories a day) and eats back exercise calories (which is the MFP suggested way), then she will be almost exactly what I stated (1700-1800).
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