How Much Protein Do You Need?
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This article contains some good information on protein and how much a person should need in their daily intake. It is a little long, but well worth the read:
http://www.romanfitnesssystems.com/blog/the-truth-about-protien/
One point I did find interesting:
Now it does go on to say that weight training intensity allows for more protein intake.
Thought I'd throw this out there since there is some debate on the levels of protein intake and whether or not higher levels can become harmful.
http://www.romanfitnesssystems.com/blog/the-truth-about-protien/
One point I did find interesting:
FAT LOSS
Determining the maximum amount of protein you can and should take in for optimal fat loss is entirely dependent on the type of diet you’re using. In fact, this is primarily relevant for those who are on low carb diets.
The prevailing theory behind being on a lower carb diet is to keep insulin in check, and in many cases enter into ketosis.
As we’ve established, taking in lower carbohydrates often means taking in higher amounts of protein—but as you can imagine, there is a point of diminishing returns.
In this case, it’s lower than you might expect.
You see, if the goal is to keep insulin low and approach ketosis, too much protein can offset this due to a phenomenon called gluconeogenesis.
This is a metabolic pathway that results in the generation of glucose from non-carbohydrate sources. Without getting too far off topic, gluconeogenesis is actually a pretty important mechanism, as it allows us to keep blood glucose levels from dropping too low and becoming hypoglycemic when carbohydrates are not available.
In the case of survival, that can be important and beneficial, for obvious reasons.
For the purposes of fat loss, however, it means that if you’re taking in “too much” protein, the glucogenic amino acids will be broken down into glucose or substances that react very much like glucose, which in turn will impact insulin levels and prevent whatever ketogenic effect you’re attempting to achieve.
Put simply: protein becomes carb. (Well, sort of. But you get the idea.)
Which means this: if you are on a diet that depends on insulin control, it is detrimental to over-eat protein.
Some studies have shown that gluconeogenesis can occur with as little as .8g protein per pound of LBM. Using that number, I’d only need 142 grams of protein at 192 pounds and 8% bodyfat.
Now it does go on to say that weight training intensity allows for more protein intake.
Thought I'd throw this out there since there is some debate on the levels of protein intake and whether or not higher levels can become harmful.
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Thanks. With a quick calculation you've shown me I'm on track with my protein intake after increasing it.0
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Good post!0
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Great post! Thanks for sharing Yak!0
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bumping to see if it yields interesting conversation.0
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well dang. I thought 15 protein shakes a day was really doing something.0
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wow! thanks for the post...very interesting!0
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Interesting article, but I don't think it implies any harmful effects of a high protein diet.
The way I interpret this is simply to say that if you cut carbs low enough your body will turn to other fuel sources to create glucose.
Doesn't mean I don't like the article, I just don't think it says anything in particular other than "if you're low carbing it, your body may use some protein for fuel instead of using all of it for dem muscles".
So to me, it says that if you're low carbing, better jack the protein up higher so that you account for the extra protein that will be used as fuel.0 -
Here is a good site to figure out what you need. http://wheyoflife.org/home/health-nutrition/protein-requirements/protein-calculator/0
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Interesting article, but I don't think it implies any harmful effects of a high protein diet.
The way I interpret this is simply to say that if you cut carbs low enough your body will turn to other fuel sources to create glucose.
Doesn't mean I don't like the article, I just don't think it says anything in particular other than "if you're low carbing it, your body may use some protein for fuel instead of using all of it for dem muscles".
So to me, it says that if you're low carbing, better jack the protein up higher so that you account for the extra protein that will be used as fuel.
Ah, so is the idea then that since you're in a deficit, it doesn't really matter because the body is simply using protein for fuel as we would expect it to, and that it doesn't actually hinder fat loss?
if I'm understanding both the blog posting and your response, it sounds like there may be a disagreement about the presumed effect of ketosis in fat loss. The blog posting seems to indicate that the goal of low carbing (generally, not that they're advocates necessarily) is to keep insulin in check and that will aid fat loss.
I don't actually understand the specifics well enough here, but that seems to be a point of contention?0 -
For discussion's sake
Beyond the Zone: Protein Needs of Active Individuals.
http://www.jacn.org/content/19/suppl_5/513S.full
Dietary protein for athletes: From requirements to optimum adaptation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22150425
http://www.optimalhealthpartner.com/A_Archive/Phillips_Dietary Protein for Athletes metabolic advantage.pdf0 -
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Thanks Caljur & Yak ~Great info.
I read an article in the June Self Magazine "Demystifying Proteins" which quotes a nutritionist as saying that our bodies can only absorb up between 20-40 at a time after a work out. The article is on page 130 something...read if you are in the store waiting in line or something.0 -
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Interesting article, but I don't think it implies any harmful effects of a high protein diet.
The way I interpret this is simply to say that if you cut carbs low enough your body will turn to other fuel sources to create glucose.
Doesn't mean I don't like the article, I just don't think it says anything in particular other than "if you're low carbing it, your body may use some protein for fuel instead of using all of it for dem muscles".
So to me, it says that if you're low carbing, better jack the protein up higher so that you account for the extra protein that will be used as fuel.Ah, so is the idea then that since you're in a deficit, it doesn't really matter because the body is simply using protein for fuel as we would expect it to, and that it doesn't actually hinder fat loss?
It would use protein for fuel in the absence of adequate carb intake. I'm sure I'm simplifying something that's more complex than this, but in my reply above I'm assuming specifically that gluconeogenesis isn't going to happen in any appreciable amount given adequate carb intake.if I'm understanding both the blog posting and your response, it sounds like there may be a disagreement about the presumed effect of ketosis in fat loss. The blog posting seems to indicate that the goal of low carbing (generally, not that they're advocates necessarily) is to keep insulin in check and that will aid fat loss.
In a calorie deficit you will also lose fat, regardless of whether or not you're in ketosis. I'm not sure if this disagrees with your above quote, but generally speaking, there are some misunderstandings about whether or not low carbing gives you some sort of "fat loss edge". My belief based on the research that I've seen, is that there is no advantage given normal insulin function. (Doesn't mean it's bad -- it's a viable method for some people).
I think James Krieger does a fantastic job of explaining here:
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=3190 -
In the context of a calorie deficit you will also lose fat, regardless of whether or not you're in ketosis. I'm not sure if this disagrees with your above quote, but generally speaking, there are some misunderstandings about whether or not low carbing gives you some sort of "fat loss edge". My belief based on the research that I've seen, is that there is no advantage given normal insulin function. (Doesn't mean it's bad -- it's a viable method for some people).
I think James Krieger does a fantastic job of explaining here:
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
Ahh ok. I shall read more on it from the provided link then. Thank you. Yeah it was my impression that the blog article was assuming that the point of low carbing (in a deficit) was that it provided some sort of fat loss edge via insulin regulation. I may have been reading too much into it though.0 -
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Here is a good site to figure out what you need. http://wheyoflife.org/home/health-nutrition/protein-requirements/protein-calculator/
Thanks for posting this!0
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