Does it have to be WHEY protein?

Shannonsto · June 2012

Hi!

I'm currently using EAS soy protein for my protein shakes, but it seems like nearly everyone else here is using whey. Is there a significant difference?

waffleflavoredtea · June 2012

Soy protein is not as much of a 'high quality' protein in my opinion. I'm also *not* positive if it's a "complete" protein which means your body can't really absorb it until you complete the proteins by adding other food - someone confirm/deny this? I could be wrong.
I start having hormonal problems when I consume too much soy. Some articles I've read say eating soy regularly can mess up your hormones and stall weight loss.

But some swear by soy protein, so my guess is that it's bad for some (like me) but fine for others. If you feel any negative symptoms maybe try a different kind of protein

Debbiedebbiey · June 2012

Bumping to get more answers, I just bought some whey/soy protein myself.

ChrisGoldn · June 2012

They are both complete proteins... Meaning they both contain the essential amino acids. Whey is made by cheese/milk products and soy by soybeans. Soy protein also contains phytoestrogens, which increase estrogen in the body and is main reason many bodybuilders generally avoid using it.

If you are Lactose intolerant then use Soy. If not then either is fine.

meshashesha2012 · June 2012

soy gives me way too much gas and bloat, so i prefer whey for the safety of myself and those around me

LesterBlackstone · June 2012

^^This^^^

Soy is also less bioavailable than whey, but unless it's your primary source of protein, I wouldn't worry about it much.

AnisaMG · June 2012

Personally I can't do dairy, so whey is out. And Soy interferes with my thyroid medication, so I use a plant based protein powder and love it.

Enigmatica · June 2012

I've been using this one for awhile because my body can't handle cowmilk proteins at all and I'm trying to limit soy for other health reasons: http://www.amazon.com/Garden-Life-Organic-Protein-Grams/dp/B0031JK96C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340070979&sr=8-1&keywords=garden+of+life+raw+protein

CoderGal · June 2012

No, it does't have to be whey. But Whey is a complete protein abundant in BCAAs and has a PDCAAS of 1. The isolates are often friendly on lactose intolerant people. Read these guys:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_protein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whey_protein
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_Digestibility_Corrected_Amino_Acid_Score
Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score

I came to this thread hoping to see what other proteins have as an advantage over whey, would be interesting to know!

Soy probably has lots of nutrients, but I stay the hell away from it.

Soy rant:

Most people probably already get enough soy in their diet, it's in everything these days. Try to find a regular loaf of bread in a grocery store that doesn't contain it. It's in things such as breads, crackers, cakes, rolls, or pastries containing peanuts, peanut oil, soy flour, processed and "natural" cereals, pasta, soy beans, soybean sprouts, sauces, fruit drink mixes, fruit toppings, coffee substitutes instant coffee, hot cocoa mixes, malt beverages, pork link sausage, deli/luncheon meats, commercially prepared meats (used as a meat extender), cheese substitutes, tofu, bean curd, natto, miso, textured vegetable protein, canned soups, commercial entrees, and combination foods, baked goods, such as cakes or cookies which contain soy flour, commercial ice creams and other frozen desserts, Hard candies, nut candies, fudge, and caramels, protein powders (even ones that are not soy protein based), margarine and butter substitutes salad dressings, mayonnaise, sauces, or gravies, Commercial vegetarian products and meat substitutes Heinz® Worcestershire sauce, Lea & Perrins® sauce, fermented soybean pastes (miso and natto), soy sauce, tamari sauce, granola, breakfast bars, Imitation bacon bits, Roasted soybeans or "soy nuts"...
http://www.lpch.org/DiseaseHealthInfo/HealthLibrary/allergy/soy.html - Children's Hospital at Standford

There are many nutrients in soy that are wonderful, but it's added to so many of our foods these days, one hardly needs it added to their diet: http://www.inspection.gc.ca/food/consumer-centre/food-safety-tips/labelling-food-packaging-and-storage/soy/eng/1332437930120/1332437995901 It's to the point that it's a big deal to not have soy in your food, so they put a big bold label on the front.

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uIn2L90wA8&feature=player_embedded <-worth watching

reads:
Soy and the Thyroid (hormonal problems): http://thyroid.about.com/cs/soyinfo/a/soy.htm
Thyroid/Cancer/Soy: http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/kdaniel/2012/02/02/thyroid-cancer-on-the-rise-is-soy-a-cause/
Pro Soy Cancer Doctor is even frightened by the facts: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/02/tofu.aspx
Study: soys link to cognitive impairment and brain atrophy: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10763906?dopt=Abstract
Soy info, Brain Damage and breast cancer: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/09/18/soy-can-damage-your-health.aspx
How to prevent thyroid disease: http://www.ehow.com/how_5678448_prevent-thyroid-disease.html
There are also many books out there talking about the negative affects of soy...can't remember the popular one...I think it's called "The truth about soy" or something and then there are the ones mentioned in the links above.

Also, there's different types of soy. Not all of them have been proven bad (which you'll get if you read the links and video).

And before everyone jumps on me I do not think soy is evil, I just think we get enough of it, and a lot of it isn't fermented. It's added to most protein powders as well that are not soy based. I do eat and drink soy on occasion, I just don't like it when when people state you should choose soy over something else to someone who gets lots of soy. If you live in the forest and never have it, cool beans

Also, soy tastes like crap to me.

Motivation · June 2012

^this.

Shannonsto · June 2012

Thanks for the replies

geekyjock76 · June 2012

I personally buy two forms of protein. One in bulk, 100% Milk protein isolate (which is 80% whey/20%casein). The other is a protein blend called Trutein which has 40% whey protein (mostly isolate), 40% casein, and 20% egg whites.

I use the milk protein isolate typically right before a workout and immediately before bedtime. Milk protein isolate will continue to feed muscle tissue amino acids for up to 7 hours so its an ideal source late at night or to satisfy the body for longer periods of time. I'll have to find the study, but it was quite recent, and it compared athletes engaging in the same exercises with the same goals in mind (gaining lean muscle mass while limiting fat gains) and followed the same strict meals plans with the only difference being the different protein sources. The athletes who drank a milk protein shake prior to working out gained more lean muscle mass and less fat compared to the group who drank the whey protein shake.

I use the Trutein blend when I want both quick and slow absorbing proteins. Whey protein will feed for about an hour, egg whites a bit longer...so I get a nice continuous stream of aminos for up to 7 hours.

Living_Barefoot · June 2012

What do you use? I can't do dairy and soy messes with my hormone levels but i haven't been able to find anything else

pants77 · June 2012

I know people who use coconut protein powder. I use whey and coconut sounds disgusting, but it's an alternative that I've heard of...

redcat17 · June 2012

Vega One (which is super tasty), Life's Basics, and some other brands I can't remember right now. Most are some combination of yellow pea, brown rice, and hemp.

CoderGal · June 2012

As long as its not in the form of dried coconut, it is yum

pants77 · June 2012

I'm not big on coconut and I really like the Careone chocolate whey stuff, that's all.

One scoop of that, two cups of milk, and a cup of frozen raspberries and I'm all set.

amanda6393 · June 2012

Me too! I've been using Sun Warrior's vegan protein, which is rice protein. It's a fair bit pricier than whey or soy proteins, but I'm loving it. It comes in all different flavours, have only tried the chocolate so far...yum

fonitoni · June 2012

There is no lactose in Whey....NONE

meshashesha2012 · June 2012

hemp is another alternative. i've only had it once and it wasnt bad

pundas · June 2012

I use gemma pea protein and rice protein. You can also try hemp protein!

sarah44254 · June 2012

pea protein is another choice

MinMin97 · June 2012

I hold to the notion that soy is not proper to eat unless it is fermented, ie, natto, soy sauce, etc...
I also believe that the whey should not be an isolate. But of course others may disagree on this. You can read about whey protein on www.mercola.com to see what form of whey dr mercola thinks is best...i trust his opinion:)

ChrisGoldn · June 2012

All i will say is view the link and let me know if you see the word Whey in it.
That is ALL.

http://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=lactose

AnisaMG · June 2012

I am using a Sequal Vanilla product. But any health food store, or organic grocery store will have plant based Proteins for sale.

geekyjock76 · June 2012

If you can't do dairy because you are allergic to the actual protein itself, then yes stay away from whey-based proteins. However, if you are allergic to the sugar from milk, lactose, you can still purchase whey protein isolate or milk protein isolate. The processing for both of these make them virtually lactose-free and are considered quite safe for those with even severe lactose intolerance.

I personally can't do plant-based protein powders because they either have 1 or several of the following issues for me: 1)horrible taste; 2)poor mixing ability; and (3) undesirable chalky texture. For the record, yes I've tried Vega, Sun Warrior, and other popular and very pricey brands and find them to have at least one if not more of the mentioned traits.

Does it have to be WHEY protein?

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