Protein and Runners
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I didn't say you shouldn't wear shoes. I said it's a waste of money to buy expensive shoes often. Also, there's a very large movement of runners (not necessarily including me) that think you're 100% wrong. There's a lot of information showing that modern running shoes cause injuries, instead of preventing them. And that running without shoes on is the best way to remain injury free (aside from stepping on glass... lol?). Most people have proper biomechanics. Take any ****ty runner and pull his shoes off and I guarantee his form improves. Not that I think it's practical for most people to run around barefoot.Which would be great if we run long slow distances all our lives from childhood, but we don’t
Would be great if we ran on soft soil over paths worn smooth by generations of other running people, but we don’t.
Would be great if we didn’t have any glass on the tracks, but we do,
Would be great if only natural runners, people who are genetically programmed to be great runners, ran, but that is only like one person in 2 million.
Running shoe save Joe average from everything from running through *kitten* to shin splints and worse.
When I ran 25 to 35 miles a week five days a week, my legs told me when my shoes needed changing, as did my run times.
Here's some random websites I looked up for you:
http://www.ohiobarefoothikers.org/osf/robbins1987.pdf
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1170253/The-painful-truth-trainers-Are-expensive-running-shoes-waste-money.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100104122310.htm
http://www.livescience.com/6027-study-running-shoes-joint-strain.html
Done many races? You just said a few posts back that you've only been in a handful...Also, I have done many races, and I see most of the top runners with Garmins, HRM, and good running shoes.
And really? I've never once seen a race winner of any decent size race wearing a HRM. I never said anything about GPS, it's definitely useful for a race because it shows you your pace and location (Not that I've seen many decent runners wearing them, you can tell your own pace relatively accurately once you become more experienced). And wtf does "good running shoes" even mean? Even if most of that were true, you see plenty of professional athletes in this country wearing those magnetic bracelets that are supposed to "alter your aura" and like... make your blood pump faster? lol? Does that mean they're worth $30 because Derrick Rose wears one?I have run several 5Ks, a 10K, a half and I am currently training for my second half. Good luck!!
Okay, so if you believe everyone is different and should do whatever works for them, then why are you giving people advice based solely on some mistaken anecdotal evidence?Well, you are certainly not the one I want running advice from or any advice for that matter. I do what works for me and my body. Everyone is different, what works for you may not work for all. The person who started this thread was asking for help and you just gave bad advice... great if it works for you, but it probably does not work for the majority.
Buy hey, maybe you're right. Maybe people couldn't run long distances until the advent of modern running shoes....lol
All I'm saying is that you don't need to buy fancy new shoes with springs in the bottom. In fact, they may very well cause you injury. You would seem from this thread that you're all Nike sales reps or something. Think for yourself for a second instead of regurgitating the bull**** spewed by some sales associate in a running store trying to sell you on this month's $110 rebranding of last month's crappy shoe.
To the OP- Classic example of someone who spends their lives on dodgy advice forums and "regurgitates" the same flawed, bloody awful advice without any real knowledge of their own. I could pick apart this post and tell you where the poster is wrong but since I have a life ( unlike the poster who CLEARLY has nothing better to do with his time) .... I am not going to do that.
But I am glad that some other people on this forum gave you some sound advice with regard to the actual question at hand.0 -
Here's some random websites I looked up for you:
http://www.ohiobarefoothikers.org/osf/robbins1987.pdf
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1170253/The-painful-truth-trainers-Are-expensive-running-shoes-waste-money.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100104122310.htm
http://www.livescience.com/6027-study-running-shoes-joint-strain.html
Here is a website for you to have a read of, for experts by experts
http://www.lowerextremityreview.com/cover_story/the-truth-about-barefoot-running-its-complicated
Keep your redtop gutter press and people with $$$$$ in their eye trying to sell you Books about half finished studies with missing data
It's neither by an expert nor for experts. Nor does it provide any sort of conclusive evidence either way. But it's a nice read.0 -
More important than extra protein is timing of that protein. You want to get some in no longer than 20 minutes after a run. As someone else said, a ratio of 4:1 carb:protein is ideal whether you use drinks or real food. I personally prefer real food but I'm eat a mostly plant based diet and lots of those drinks contain whey protein which I avoid. You need the carbs to replenish spent glycogen, and the protein to help rebuild the muscles from the stress you just put them under.
I only eat about 20% protein max and do fine on that. Right now I'm training for 2 shorter distance triathlons so I only weight train 1x a week. When I weight train 3x a week I increase my protein. Everyone is different though so you need to find out what works for you. As you increase your endurance and distances your needs may change, but your body will tell you what it needs if you listen.0 -
Do you know why??????
It's neither by an expert nor for experts. Nor does it provide any sort of conclusive evidence either way. But it's a nice read.
because, (and this may shock you. change the spin of your world,)
There isn't any conclusive evidence either way.You've just proved that your stance/argument is invalid0 -
Do you know why??????It's neither by an expert nor for experts. Nor does it provide any sort of conclusive evidence either way. But it's a nice read.
because, (and this may shock you. change the spin of your world,)
There isn't any conclusive evidence either way.You've just proved that your stance/argument is invalid
I dont think so. If you actually look back at what I've said, I just point out that shoes *might* be injuring people. But I think I'm usually pretty careful to say that I don't actually recommend running around barefoot. I'm completely for shoes actually, just not lots of expensive ones.0 -
All I am hearing anymore is the teacher from the Peanuts cartoon....0
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All I am hearing anymore is the teacher from the Peanuts cartoon....
Funny, I thought the same **** when you started trying to give running advice while coming off your second ever distance race, lol. Keep buying new shoes maybe one day you'll break 8 whole min/mi! Golly wouldn't that be grand!0 -
All I am hearing anymore is the teacher from the Peanuts cartoon....
Funny, I thought the same **** when you started trying to give running advice while coming off your second ever distance race, lol. Keep buying new shoes maybe one day you'll break 8 min/mi! Golly wouldn't that be grand!
How do you know I don't run better than an 8 minute mile... you don't know that and you don't know much else other than how to tell people what you think they should do because obviously you think your way is the only way. These threads are about helping people. We can give our opinions, you don't need to knock people for not thinking your way.0 -
This is really icky. People can be incredibly rude.
My advice is try it. If you feel better, keep doing it. If you don't, save your money. Your own trial and error will answer this for you. Clearly people have differing opinions that really won't help you to make a decision on what will work for you.0 -
This is really icky. People can be incredibly rude.
I know, I regret engaging myself in the conversation at all... seems to be a very common thing on message boards unfortunately... people find it is to say things they probably would not say face to face....0 -
no protein...eat more pizza.0
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No. You shouldn't need to take in extra protein for running. And shakes aren't special, you could get the same protein from eating three or four eggs, plus they taste a lot better.
The only way to improve your running is (generally) to run more. Everything else is a waste of money (shoes, shakes, wrist bands, HRM, etc...).
Do the opposite of everything in this post and you'll be all set!
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I run (average 30 miles a week) and lift. I try to keep my intake of proteint to 1 gram per pound of Lean body mass. For me that is 104 grams. I didn't see any changes in my body from my workout routine until I added the extra protein. I carb cycle too so some days my carbs are low and fat is high, other days carbs higher and fat lower, but I always keep my protein the same.0
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No. You shouldn't need to take in extra protein for running. And shakes aren't special, you could get the same protein from eating three or four eggs, plus they taste a lot better.
The only way to improve your running is (generally) to run more. Everything else is a waste of money (shoes, shakes, wrist bands, HRM, etc...).
Do the opposite of everything in this post and you'll be all set!
lol
Shoes are the MOST important thing for a person who is running a lot. They should be fit well, by someone who knows how to do it and what to look for. As far as spending money on running goes.... shorts.... I have bought several pairs of running shorts with the "bloomers" or whatever you want to call them in them. Can't run any other way. Wearing underwear is ridiculous, and over long distance will do nothing but chaffe.
sorry that was a total aside. I've usually added a protein shake or two into my daily routine while running. It's good for recovery, and when you are running almost every day recovery is very important. Not to criticize, but most people who say "NO SHAKES" just hate the products or wouldn't use them for anything. To be honest, even the psychological effect of mixing my powder in with some chocolate silk, a banana, and some strawberries for a post run treat does all I need to it do.
Good luck. Nothing in this world is better than running.0 -
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This is really icky. People can be incredibly rude.
My advice is try it. If you feel better, keep doing it. If you don't, save your money. Your own trial and error will answer this for you. Clearly people have differing opinions that really won't help you to make a decision on what will work for you.0 -
No. You shouldn't need to take in extra protein for running. And shakes aren't special, you could get the same protein from eating three or four eggs, plus they taste a lot better.
The only way to improve your running is (generally) to run more. Everything else is a waste of money (shoes, shakes, wrist bands, HRM, etc...).
Do the opposite of everything in this post and you'll be all set!
agreed.
a protein shake is beneficial to all exercisers, even cardio freaks. however, you need to be careful. if you only go for a short, 2 mile run-walk and it take you forty five minutes to do so, well, you don't need as big of a protein shake as someone that is running 6-8 miles in under an hour.
try this:
1-2 scoops of protein powder
1/4-1/2 cups of frozen berries
6-8 ounces of fruit juice (i like orange)
this can make a very good protein/recovery drink that can be varied in calories, depending on your day's effort. you can also add a banana and some low fat greek yogurt in the shake, if you like. i like to drink it right after my shower, as my stomach has had time to settle after a work out, and i need the refreshment that it gives me. it also helps to lessen that "EAT ALL THE THINGS" feeling you get an hour or two after a work out.
recovering from a run, and building and maintaining the muscles used is a great way to get better at running. good shoes will prevent injury, so make sure your sneakers are up to par. i'm not saying to go out and get the latest $200 pair of track shoes. you're not at that point. i'd go to a running store to get fitted.
rest is very important. if you are still new to running, i wouldn't go more then 3 times a week running. and only increase your distance about 10% every week. one run a week should be a short speed work out, such as 400m repeats, or a HIIT run.
don't neglect strength training. squats and dead lifts will strengthen the leg muscles used during running.
warm up before every run with some calisthenics. static stretching is only effective after a run. before a run, do some jumping jacks, body weight squats, lunges, push ups, and leg swings. work up a sweat. then go run. cool down properly afterwards, and stretch out your muscles to assist with recovery.
their is a saying in track "you can only run as fast as you can swing your arms." that being said, do not neglect your upper body. push ups, dips, pull ups, over head presses, and other upper body work outs will assist with your running. concentrate on your chest, shoulders, and triceps.
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Some good information here from a credible source with a degree in Exercise Physiology.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/TrainingWithTonya/view/setting-macros-270342e
She specifically addresses protein for endurance atheletes.0 -
Some good information here from a credible source with a degree in Exercise Physiology.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/TrainingWithTonya/view/setting-macros-270342e
She specifically addresses protein for endurance atheletes.
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Cabizzle, I find even the bloomers in running shorts to be a bit irritating... I prefer the compression shorts underneath or the running skorts....0
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Cabizzle, I find even the bloomers in running shorts to be a bit irritating... I prefer the compression shorts underneath or the running skorts....
Yeah, you won't catch me in a skort..... In public........ I do like to see them though, and I've always thought they would be comfy if not for the whole gender confusion aspect.0 -
Cabizzle, I find even the bloomers in running shorts to be a bit irritating... I prefer the compression shorts underneath or the running skorts....
Yeah, you won't catch me in a skort..... In public........ I do like to see them though, and I've always thought they would be comfy if not for the whole gender confusion aspect.
see what happens when I assume!0 -
Cabizzle, I find even the bloomers in running shorts to be a bit irritating... I prefer the compression shorts underneath or the running skorts....
Yeah, you won't catch me in a skort..... In public........ I do like to see them though, and I've always thought they would be comfy if not for the whole gender confusion aspect.
see what happens when I assume!
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No. You shouldn't need to take in extra protein for running. And shakes aren't special, you could get the same protein from eating three or four eggs, plus they taste a lot better.
The only way to improve your running is (generally) to run more. Everything else is a waste of money (shoes, shakes, wrist bands, HRM, etc...).
Do the opposite of everything in this post and you'll be all set!
agreed.
a protein shake is beneficial to all exercisers, even cardio freaks. however, you need to be careful. if you only go for a short, 2 mile run-walk and it take you forty five minutes to do so, well, you don't need as big of a protein shake as someone that is running 6-8 miles in under an hour.
try this:
1-2 scoops of protein powder
1/4-1/2 cups of frozen berries
6-8 ounces of fruit juice (i like orange)
this can make a very good protein/recovery drink that can be varied in calories, depending on your day's effort. you can also add a banana and some low fat greek yogurt in the shake, if you like. i like to drink it right after my shower, as my stomach has had time to settle after a work out, and i need the refreshment that it gives me. it also helps to lessen that "EAT ALL THE THINGS" feeling you get an hour or two after a work out.
recovering from a run, and building and maintaining the muscles used is a great way to get better at running. good shoes will prevent injury, so make sure your sneakers are up to par. i'm not saying to go out and get the latest $200 pair of track shoes. you're not at that point. i'd go to a running store to get fitted.
rest is very important. if you are still new to running, i wouldn't go more then 3 times a week running. and only increase your distance about 10% every week. one run a week should be a short speed work out, such as 400m repeats, or a HIIT run.
don't neglect strength training. squats and dead lifts will strengthen the leg muscles used during running.
warm up before every run with some calisthenics. static stretching is only effective after a run. before a run, do some jumping jacks, body weight squats, lunges, push ups, and leg swings. work up a sweat. then go run. cool down properly afterwards, and stretch out your muscles to assist with recovery.
their is a saying in track "you can only run as fast as you can swing your arms." that being said, do not neglect your upper body. push ups, dips, pull ups, over head presses, and other upper body work outs will assist with your running. concentrate on your chest, shoulders, and triceps.
good luck.
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Some good information here from a credible source with a degree in Exercise Physiology.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/TrainingWithTonya/view/setting-macros-270342e
She specifically addresses protein for endurance atheletes.
Awesome. Thanks for posting this.0 -
Proctor, Minn. native Scott Jurek is now recognized as one of the top ultra-marathoners in the world, and he is a vegan. He regularly wins races of 50, 100, or 120 miles in record times. He fuels his runs with whole grains and bean burritos, and says being vegan gives him a competitive edge. He wrote a book about this called "Eat and Run".0
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Proctor, Minn. native Scott Jurek is now recognized as one of the top ultra-marathoners in the world, and he is a vegan. He regularly wins races of 50, 100, or 120 miles in record times. He fuels his runs with whole grains and bean burritos, and says being vegan gives him a competitive edge. He wrote a book about this called "Eat and Run".
Just wondering if there are more thoughts on Scott Jurek's experience. I don't know his level or protien consumption and I just bought his book. I did notice that this factoid killed the thread.
What do you guys think of the the number of vegan athletes out there?? I assume, they are not eating the mass protien diets that seem to be all the rage these days.0
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