Confused about fat

Hi guys,

Just started mfp today (although been exercising and trying to eat healthy for a while now) and I have a question regarding fats.

I've decided to follow a 50/25/25 program 1500 calorie program. I've read that nuts and fish are good things to eat but these seem to have pushed my fats quota very high high and I'm worried that i'm eating too much fatty foods and this could be the reason why i can't lose my belly.

Also does the fat amount 51g account for all the fats or just saturated fats?

Thanks

PS My diary is available to view

Fat doesn't make you fat.

Sugar makes you fat, and makes you retain it around your belly. Take a look at all the sugar in your Tesco soup, for example.


Your body also *requires* fat to properly absorb vitamins and nutrients.

Also does the fat amount 51g account for all the fats or just saturated fats?

52g is total fat. Saturated fat is counted separately. Eating less fat than you are, if today is an average day for you, isn't a bad idea. So is cutting out the processed foods. All those chemicals are scary!

Fat doesn't make you fat.

Sugar makes you fat, and makes you retain it around your belly.

Nope.

Fat doesn't make you fat.

Sugar makes you fat, and makes you retain it around your belly. Take a look at all the sugar in your Tesco soup, for example.


Your body also *requires* fat to properly absorb vitamins and nutrients.

Are you seriously telling me that if I ate 5 blocks of lard a day I wouldn't get fat?

Concur with all those who have said neither fat nor sugar makes you fat. Calorie surplus makes you fat. 52 grams in not a bad number but recomedation is really based on % of body weight and, unless I missed it, you didn't give your weight. Also, the lipid hypothesis has been debunked. No reason to aviod saturated fats unless you are a high responder with a family history of cholesterol related heart disease.

Hi guys thanks for the advice.

I'm 5'7 and 67kg. Quite lean except for a ring of fat around my midriff haha.

Is the Robinsons and Tesco's no added sugar cordial bad for me? Should I avoid it?

If it fits in to your daily calories and macronutrients, why not? I am of the opinion that everything in moderation is a good rule of thumb. Just remember that those sort of items take up lots of calories and leave you wanting more...

Fat doesn't make you fat.

Sugar makes you fat, and makes you retain it around your belly.

Nope.

Thank goodness someone pointed this out.

Eating more calories than you are using per day makes you fat.

Eating way too many calories from either source can make you fat...but we're not talking about getting fat and the process is NOT the same.


We're talking about forcing your body to let go of and burn fat rather than stored glycogen (sugar) or protein (muscle)


Burning more calories than you eat won't necessarily make you skinny.


so how do you lose fat?

REorganize the enzymatic response of your body. Glut 4 and 5 receptors, insulin balance, adrenal balance, pancreatic function, growth hormone production, IGF-1....on and on we go.

EVERY cell in your body uses cholesterol and Fatty Acids to function.

Lets not forget about the role your brain plays. high carb ingestion spikes your insulin which causes a massive absorption of all amino acids EXCEPT>>> bum buuuuuuum. Tryptophan, which is your precursor to seratonin...seratonin spikes are addictive...thus carbs are heroine. I bet you can eat twice the calories with a bag of tortilla chips (mostly carb) than you can an avocado.

Don't be afraid of good fats and stay the heck away from simple carbs and your body will love you.

Oh please, that's just playing troll and taking it WAY out out of context.

My point was related to his question about eating things like fish and nuts, and addressing his concerns re: these fats contributing to belly fat. I was simply pointing out that your body does not simply take fats ingested and turn these into fat stores.


And there is ample scientific evidence to indicate that a calorie is NOT just a calorie, and that your body treats (assuming equal calories ingested) things like fat and sugar differently. A diet high in healthy fats will not, in and of itself, make you fat. However (again assuming an equal caloric intake and equal caloric burn) a diet higher in processed sugar is more likely to result in fat deposits around the middle.


Of COURSE you will gain body mass if you ingest more calories than you burn. However, AGAIN, my point is that eating more of your calories from sugar is more likely to result in retention of fat stores around your middle (which was the concern/question raised). (Therefore a sarcastic comment from a known troll about not getting fat from eating 5 lbs of lard is just stupid and needlessly aggressive. Go get a life outside the internet.)


Way to miss the point entirely. Do you want me to hold your hand for you while you go pee, too?

Fat doesn't make you fat.

Sugar makes you fat, and makes you retain it around your belly. Take a look at all the sugar in your Tesco soup, for example.


Your body also *requires* fat to properly absorb vitamins and nutrients.

Are you seriously telling me that if I ate 5 blocks of lard a day I wouldn't get fat?

Yes it would

Other foods that make you fat if you eat too much include:

Cheese
Carrots
Lasagne
Escargo
Beef Wellington
Cherry flavour Lollypops
Tomato Soup
Salt and vinegar crisps

Shall I go on?

http://bit.ly/LOAZTE

http://bit.ly/LOBixA

http://bit.ly/LOBqgu

And there is ample scientific evidence to indicate that a calorie is NOT just a calorie, and that your body treats (assuming equal calories ingested) things like fat and sugar differently. A diet high in healthy fats will not, in and of itself, make you fat. However (again assuming an equal caloric intake and equal caloric burn) a diet higher in processed sugar is more likely to result in fat deposits around the middle.

Care to post some of this ample scientific research? What is more likely to be stored as fat, processed sugar or fat?

Came to ask this same thing

My point was more "look it up for yourself, because I'm not going to spend my valuable time digging for and providing links to peer-reviewed, scientific research that you'll just argue with anyway. Believe what you want".

Feel free to explain to the others why sugar is GOOD for you, and exactly the mechanisms by which the body uses ingested fat to create or increase the size of fat cells. (since that appears to be what you are arguing...or are you just arguing for the sake of argument?)

(I say "the others" because I won't bother coming back to this thread. Have fun reading into that whatever your little heart desires)

http://bit.ly/LOAZTE

http://bit.ly/LOBixA

http://bit.ly/LOBqgu

And there is ample scientific evidence to indicate that a calorie is NOT just a calorie, and that your body treats (assuming equal calories ingested) things like fat and sugar differently. A diet high in healthy fats will not, in and of itself, make you fat. However (again assuming an equal caloric intake and equal caloric burn) a diet higher in processed sugar is more likely to result in fat deposits around the middle.

Care to post some of this ample scientific research? What is more likely to be stored as fat, processed sugar or fat?

Came to ask this same thing

Google =/= scientific research

You have substantiated none of the nonsense you posted

fat is goooood. i don't get how people give it up. crazies!

I think that is the first food diary that I have seen that is not tracking protein.. j/s..

There's not enough of a food diary to really go off of, my personal non professional opinion is unless you have a medical condition that states otherwise, I wouldn't consider that to be a really high amount, @5 9 my daily goal is 93 grams(I'm set to maint so that I can see my deficient..)
But I will add that you'd probably be better off with whole fish type foods instead of processed(take a glance at your sodium, I could be wrong as it's not shown)

Healthy fats (mostly plant or fish based) are an important part of your diet.

Good for brain function.
good for nerve function
preventing diabetes
preventing depression
and good for heart health.

I dont' track overall fats, but I do tract SATURATED FAT and CHOLESTEROL
(Also triglycerides are sugars that make your cholesterol stickier. Cholesterol by itself is not necessarily a bad thing, but when it gets all sticky it tends to clog things up and cause problems.)

So if figure if I take a 2 pronged approach and keep my sugars and cholesterol in check. I'll have less cholesterol and it will be less sticky.

If your serum cholesterol has been high, in your next round of blood work you may ask your doctor about C-Reactive Protein, which measures inflammation, which may be a better cue to see if you are at risk.

There are only 3 macro severly limiting any one category seems foolish to me

The ratio MFP has set for me is 55% carbs/30% fat/15% protein

My actual range is between 40-55% carbs /30-35% fats/15-20%protein

I try to keep my fats plant or fish based
I try to keep my carbs complex
I try to keep my animal proteins lean

Not trolling.. Just correcting. Triglycerides are most definitely not sugar... it's pretty much the storage molecule for fat...most common type of fat found in your body formed from three fatty acid chains and a glycerol.

For those who believe saturated fat is bad, google the lipid hypothesis debunked. Saturated fats are essential in the right amounts. It is all relative to dose and context. Also, except in high responders with family history of high cholesterol dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol have little to no realtionship. Human breast milk is high in saturated fat. Saturated fat is beneficial to brain function.

According to The Framingham Heart Study, they have found absolutely no relationship between dietary cholesterol ad serum cholesterol with the exception of individuals who are obese and have high triglycerides. This despite the researchers biase that this realtionship should exist. This study is ongoing and has been since 1947. It is sponsored by the American Heart Association.

For the record, I don't limit saturated fat in my own diet at all. I am a healthy weight at 61 years old and I exercise regularly. My overall cholesterol is in the 190s, my HDL, LDL and triglycerides are all well within the healthy range for very low risk. Like off the charts low on triglycerides and LDL and great HDL ration. I am not any genetic mutant. There is some history of heart disease in my family in (guess what) obsese individauls, some of whom also had a history of smoking. My EKGs are great!

The key is to stop fearing saturated fat and eat reasonable and, most importantly, get active!! Exercise is the single most important factor in preventing heart disease! It lowers overall cholesteral, lowers LDL and raises HDL (the good cholesterol).