Sugar Intake?

Some people will tell you not to eat fruit because of whatever reason, but in reality fruit is good for you. Eat it. If you are going over your sugar because of fruit, no big deal.

The only reason you should worry about your sugar intake is if you are eating too many processed sugars, or if a doctor says to (if you have diabetes or something of that sort.) I don't even have sugar on my nutrients to track.

Try monitoring your sodium instead!

No, as long as you're monitoring total carbs, forget about tracking sugar. I'm diabetic and even I don't bother tracking it.

You'll have two points of view here. Those who say sugar is sugar and it doesn't matter where it comes from and those who think that sugar from fruits is not the same with sugar from snickers.

I'm in the second boat. If you don't have severe diabetes, you don't need to watch your natural sugar intake which comes with vitamins, minerals and fiber content. You can still prefer low to mid glycemic index sources. Any type of refined sugar, I'd say keep an eye on them.

Some people will tell you not to eat fruit because of whatever reason, but in reality fruit is good for you. Eat it. If you are going over your sugar because of fruit, no big deal.

The only reason you should worry about your sugar intake is if you are eating too many processed sugars, or if a doctor says to (if you have diabetes or something of that sort.) I don't even have sugar on my nutrients to track.

Try monitoring your sodium instead!

This exactly! Natural fruit sugar is completely different from processed sugar in brownies and sodas...don't sweat it!

Sugar is still sugar though, no matter how you look at it. The only difference is that fruit has vitamins to go along with it and the fiber slows down the processing somewhat.
So yes, fruit is better, but you can still overdo sugar from fruit.

As MSimm mentioned though, the sugar limit is quite low on MFP and you're probably better off tracking carbs and worrying less about sugar, since, in the end, it gets turned to sugar in your body anyhow.

Some people will tell you not to eat fruit because of whatever reason, but in reality fruit is good for you. Eat it. If you are going over your sugar because of fruit, no big deal.

The only reason you should worry about your sugar intake is if you are eating too many processed sugars, or if a doctor says to (if you have diabetes or something of that sort.) I don't even have sugar on my nutrients to track.

Try monitoring your sodium instead!

This exactly! Natural fruit sugar is completely different from processed sugar in brownies and sodas...don't sweat it!

How exactly is it different?

LOL - can always count on you to come in with the question. Now I can count on not really getting an answer from anyone.

I was wondering the same thing. I have a fruit and vegetable smoothie every morning and I'm always close to being over my sugar limit before my day even begins.

Ignore what MFP has set for sugars. I'm diabetic and do monitor my sugar and carbs to keep things in check and I'm still always over what they think I should have. Personally, I know my blood sugar is very well controlled, my doctor is happy with how well it is controlled, and my test come back in the normal range. If you don't have a specific reason you need to monitor sugars, don't worry about it, especially if most of it is coming from fruit. Fruit is good for you!

Just cuirious, What do you consider the normal range? You mean the below 7 for Diabetics or the mid 4's for a non diabetic. I was at 5.9 last time my AIC was checked. Would love to hear a Type II who actually could get their numbers to the real normal range.

How did the meta analysis and study you linked to substantiate your claim, "There are numerous studies that show that a low glycemic diet 'helps' you prevent diabetes", since they dealt with people who already have diabetes?

Sorry, wrong links. But it's safe to hypothesize that if low GI is helping those with diabetes to a healthier life, it's safe to assume that it will have a similar effect on prediabetes and healthy population. You may not like speaking hypothetically but this is science. It's not gravity we're talking about. You have test subjects and you're limited to them, you can't generalize your findings to a whole species. It's like saying this lung cancer treatment will work on every cancer patient with the same type and on the same stage. Organisms don't work that way. Even in math 2 plus 2 does not equal to 4 in every universe and needless to say math is more consistent.

Here it may help: http://www.ajcn.org/content/76/1/274S.full.pdf+html with all the cited articles.

Like I said, it helps. It doesn't work the same way in every people just like how an exercise routine would lead to the same results in two people. Aren't there studies that don't relate high GI to diabetes, yes there are. But it's at my liberty to choose which side I take as a molecular biologist.

IF SUGAR IS SUGAR, please have your average daily sugar intake in glucose tablets only for the next two years. I will mail you the necessary vitamin/mineral and fiber supplements to compensate for the dietary loss. As many sugar is sugar supporters as possible please so that I can have a good amount of subjects.

The argument going on here is only one of definition. Glucose IS Glucose. The difference between most fruit sugars and, say, a snickers bar, is based on the other constituents of the food product, probably the most significant of which is fiber content (which slows sugar absorption and reduces post prandial insulin response). Sugar is sugar is sugar... it's what it's packaged with that makes all the difference.

Basically yes. On MFP most people are very strong and zealous supporters of views on either side and most of the times it may effect the people they advice to. MFP set me on 24 grams of sugar. It's a large apple. If I follow sugar is sugar and if I happen to have dairy, grains, vegetables in my diet, I won't be able to eat that apple. And I'm sorry but I can't understand how that can be a good advice.

If you have any further argument than sugar is sugar, I'm ready to listen. I told you that the metabolic pathway which is very time relevant is not the same for one gram of glucose and a piece of bread that has one gram of sugar content.

And ironically no, yes that is glucose like saying I'm a human but that's not the only form you'll find it in nature and chemical reactions. That's β-D-Glucopyranose. Do you really want to get more biochemical about this?

How did the meta analysis and study you linked to substantiate your claim, "There are numerous studies that show that a low glycemic diet 'helps' you prevent diabetes", since they dealt with people who already have diabetes?

But it's safe to hypothesize that if low GI is helping those with diabetes to a healthier life, it's safe to assume that it will have a similar effect on prediabetes and healthy population.

This is like the silly Paleo argument, if eliminating lactose helps those with lactose intolerance, it's effect will be similar for everyone. If eliminating gluten helps celiacs, it's effect will be similar everyone.

Here it may help: http://www.ajcn.org/content/76/1/274S.full.pdf+html with all the cited articles.

Really, Walter Willett?

IF SUGAR IS SUGAR, please have your average daily sugar intake in glucose tablets only for the next two years. I will mail you the necessary vitamin/mineral and fiber supplements to compensate for the dietary loss. As many sugar is sugar supporters as possible please so that I can have a good amount of subjects.

Tell me is the below picture of glucose from fruit or from somewhere else?

Livestrong just had an article related to this:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/435162-a-closer-look-at-the-glycemic-index/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=07252012

And I guess what it boils down to is this... if you eat a crap load of fruit (or bread, or starch), you'll get fat from the sugar and the crappy carbs. Anyone telling you different is selling you something.

A piece of bread has a lot more in it than just a gram of sugar. Also, metabolic pathways aside, excess carbs and sugar still turns into fat.

Just to bring the discussion back to something relevant, are you really saying that a person can eat as much fruit as they want without having to worry about having all that extra sugar turn into fat?

I think you took it completely wrong. I never said one slice of bread. By piece of bread I means x grams of bread that has 1 gram of sugar content. If sugar is sugar, they should be the same according to your argument.

And I never said that. Please show me where to support your question, the 'really' part.