Health At Every Size Discussion

Quasita
Quasita Posts: 1,530 Member
edited December 2024 in Health and Weight Loss
A friend of mine is a leading proponent for this lifestyle movement. It is building momentum and gaining support from the medical community, as it continues to return great results for those that adopt the philosophy.

I have never seen anyone on MFP talk about it so I thought I would introduce it. Here is an article to take in:

Goodbye, scale. Hello, health
A grassroots movement helps women gain health and self-esteem by losing their obsession with weight.

By Tori DeAngelis

April 2009, Vol 40, No. 4

Print version: page 52
Since she was 7, Susan Hersfeld had tried one diet or another.

"I tried the 'hot dog, banana and egg' diet, WeightWatchers, the Susan Powter diet—you name it," the 52-year-old retiree recalls. She attributes the dieting—and the binging that followed—to her lack of self-acceptance, fueled by an early message from home that she was not OK as she was.

Three years ago, Hersfeld landed in a program, Bodywise in Ann Arbor, Mich., that uses a non-diet approach to optimizing health. Called "Health at Every Size," the model emphasizes accepting your body as it is and helps people develop approaches to eating, exercise and social support that promote health and joy.

Today, Hersfeld feels liberated from a confining and boring relationship with food—and feels freer in other parts of her life as well, she says.

"When I used to go into a restaurant, it was always about, 'What can I have that's on this menu?'" she remembers. "Now, I look at the whole menu and say, 'What do I feel like having?'"

She's also doing exercise she actually enjoys—swimming and walking, instead of forcing herself to go to the gym—and she's wearing a bathing suit for the first time in 30 years, despite having gained a little weight.

"If someone told me I'd be wearing a bathing suit, I'd have said they were out of their mind," she chuckles.

What the model says

Hersfeld is one of a growing number of women seeing psychologists and other counselors who use the "Health at Every Size" approach in their practices. Launched in the late 1980s by like-minded mental health professionals, medical professionals, fitness experts and "fat activists," the model has percolated into the national consciousness as an approach for anyone who struggles with dieting and weight issues, says psychologist Deb Burgard, PhD, an eating-disorders specialist in Los Altos, Calif., and one of the movement's founders.

"Health at Every Size" is a treatment philosophy rather than a commercial program, Burgard emphasizes, and it differs from so-called "non-dieting" or "intuitive eating" programs in that it encompasses not only food-related decisions, but a wide range of lifestyle choices as well.

The aim is to empower women to claim their natural body size and enjoy the full spectrum of life through counseling that employs research about what fosters good health and what doesn't. For starters, "Health at Every Size" takes the focus off weight, since research shows that diets often fail and that yo-yo dieting can lead to additional weight gain and health problems, Burgard says. It also acknowledges that weight is an unhealthy preoccupation for many women across the weight spectrum.

"A huge tenet of [the model] is weight neutrality," Burgard says. "We're not against people losing weight. We're against the focus being on the pursuit of weight loss."

To this end, "Health at Every Size" practitioners help women learn to enjoy eating again instead of seeing it through a lens of deprivation. That means having access to all kinds of foods, both "healthy" ones, like broccoli and brown rice, and pleasurable ones, like hot fudge sundaes. When women feel free to enjoy the whole dietary smorgasbord, "they can let go of identifying as 'good girls' or 'bad girls' and become adults who care about both good fuel and good taste," Burgard says.

The model's practitioners also help women listen to internal cues of hunger and fullness—something many have lost through years of dieting, binging and trying to follow external messages about weight and beauty, says social worker Amy Pershing, Hersfeld's counselor and director of Bodywise in Ann Arbor.

Practitioners also encourage women to appreciate the natural diversity of body sizes and shapes and to recognize that each of us has a set point that our bodies would naturally go to if we followed our internal cues. Using the approach, some women gain weight, others lose it, and some remain about the same, Pershing says.

"Health at Every Size" also helps women reclaim physical activity as joyful, says Burgard. "It should be paced for your kind of body, and there should be enough diversity and opportunities so that you get a chance to feel physical mastery and competence," she says.

An early inspiration for her was discovering West African dance, which she found exuberant, dignified and inclusive of all body types, she says.

The model also encourages women to form social networks, which the literature shows is especially good for overall health and well-being, Burgard notes.

"This approach is really about changing the cultural milieu itself as a way to support people's health, not just about making recommendations about the health practices of individuals," she says.

Empirical support

Research on "Health at Any Size" is beginning to show health, if not weight, benefits.

A study reported in the June 2005 Journal of the American Dietetic Association (Vol. 105, No. 6), by University of California at Davis nutrition researcher Linda Bacon, PhD, and colleagues randomly assigned 78 obese women who were chronic dieters either to a "Health at Any Size" condition or to a diet condition that used standard behavioral weight-loss approaches, including helping people to restrict fat and calories intake, monitor their diets and do regular aerobic exercise. The women all received six months of the intervention, followed by six months of group support. The team evaluated them at six months and again at two years. At the end of six months, both groups showed health and psychological improvements, and only the diet group had lost weight. But two years later, the picture had changed. "Health at Any Size" participants retained the same weight they held at the beginning of the study, and they showed a range of psychological and physical benefits including higher self-esteem, less depression, lower cholesterol and blood-pressure levels, and fewer eating-disordered behaviors such as binging and purging. The diet group members, though, not only regained most of the weight they had lost, but lost the health improvements they had made and showed significant drops in self-esteem.

"The results of the diet group are completely consistent with the literature," says Bacon, author of "Health at Every Size: The Surprising Truth about Your Weight" (2008, BenBella Books). "No matter how we repackage diets, long-term studies show the same results: weight regain and feelings of failure." The study is now being replicated by psychologist Janell Mensinger, PhD, of the Reading Hospital and Medical Center in Reading, Pa.

For Burgard, the most gratifying part of the approach is giving women back the time they wasted thinking about food and dieting.

"If people weren't worrying about this stuff, we'd be able to get on with the real creative work of life," she says. "I want the culture to stop creating eating disorders."



Tori DeAngelis is a writer in Syracuse, N.Y.
FURTHER READING, RESOURCES
Mann, T., et al. (2007). Medicare's search for effective obesity treatments: Diets are not the answer. American Psychologist, 62 (1), 220–230.
www.sizediversityandhealth.org: Web site of the Association for Size Diversity and Health, the main organization for professionals interested in the Health at Every Size approach.
Bodypositive.com: A Web site developed by "Health at Every Size" psychologist Deb Burgard, PhD, devoted to body-image issues.
HAESCommunity.Org: A social networking site developed by Health at Every Size researcher and author Linda Bacon, PhD.
Stopcompulsiveeating.com: A Web site featuring the Ann Arbor, Mich., program Bodywise, which uses the Health at Every Size approach.

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  • infamousmk
    infamousmk Posts: 6,033 Member
    I think that this is a definite improvement in the world of women's self image as related to weight loss and fitness, but I don't think it's the final answer.

    We all know how big I am on loving yourself no matter what your size, which I think this model is going to be very successful at instilling in to others. I believe that the fat acceptance movement has taken the concept too far. Being obese or even 50 pounds overweight isn't healthy. It's okay to be proud of your accomplishments, and make good choices (such as indulging in treats on occasion), but there is still a need for overweight women to become more healthy *overall*.

    Currently, I weigh between 50 and 70 pounds more than what a healthy body of my height and age should weigh. I've always had a very strong cardiovascular system, I'm naturally strong and I have always been active. But I can't be as active as I want to be because my weight limits me. I am currently nursing a running injury that may have been caused (and definitely exacerbated) by my excess weight. So, while I'm loving who I am, and the body I was given, I am also taking totally un-fun steps to reach a more healthy physical state.

    In conclusion, I think the Healthy at Every Size Movement is great. I think that ten years from now we may see a decline in EDs or young women may be less prone to put unrealistic expectations on themselves. As long as this doesn't transition in to a Fat Acceptance push, that tells people it's perfectly okay to have large amounts of excess weight "because we're all special snowflakes", we're gonna be okay.
  • thedreamhazer
    thedreamhazer Posts: 1,156 Member
    Everything MissK said!

    I believe in loving yourself at every size, and I believe that if you love yourself then you will push to make yourself as healthy as possible so you can enjoy life more and longer.

    Weight isn't the biggest part of health, but it is a piece of it. It's been given way too much importance as the most important piece of the equation, and I think this movement does a good job moving away from that. If you want to be healthy, focus on moving and treating your body well. Weight loss and being a healthy weight is the side effect of leading a healthy life.
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    I think the study has flaws. They told one group to diet, and another group to make a lifestyle change. They told one group to lose weight, and they told the other group that losing weight didn't matter. It didn't offer at all what measures were used to determine that one group was healthier than the other. Obesity is a health factor in and of itself. It makes you more succeptible to certain debilitating conditions like arthritis and osteoperosis. While I'm sure there is more info out there, just in reading this article, I am skeptical of the true benefits of this program.
  • tripitena
    tripitena Posts: 554 Member
    I think that learning to love and accept yourself at the size you are is the first step to self empowerment. Thats not to say I think we should all just say woo hoo! and give up working toward a healthy weight. If you cant love yourself first, you cant very well WANT to put in the work to lose a few pounds. Feeling you have value can help us to want do better things for ourselves, take care and heal ourselves. Feeling like utter crap and worthless can make one feel like we are not worth the time, effort and cost of helping ourselves.
    Good article and sounds like a great program.
    JMO
  • Quasita
    Quasita Posts: 1,530 Member
    Definitely. My friend, she first introduced it to me through discussion. She actually had the opportunity to go to a live-in facility for several weeks, where they spent time working on the concepts.

    I do agree that the fat acceptance movement has, in sects, pushed it too far. What was intended to be a movement against weight discrimination has in some ways become a "I'm fine as I am don't need to change"

    It's a fine line, really, because you ARE beautiful as you are. You just have to understand where you are. I know with me, I became a lot happier when I personally developed this mentality. I didn't even know about this movement in detail until fairly recently, but when I told myself, the weight isn't going to disappear overnight, so I have to love me right now, and every day as I change, if I want to be happy. THAT is what I'm posting this for...

    We see so many women lamenting and torturing themselves to be something out of their immediate reach. If you can't enjoy your life, how are you supposed to want to make it better, live it longer, or share it with anyone?

    I do think it's interesting though because I always get caught in the spot where I'm considered healthy in almost all ways except I'm very heavy in pounds. I don't look it, I don't carry as much fat as it sounds like I should be carrying, and I used to struggle with it a lot. Now, I enjoy reading people encouraging people in my place to celebrate my health but also move and enjoy my life actively. That's the biggest change I've made with MFP.

    You think I'd have gotten my butt to an exercise class before people on here and through my work's healthy lifestyles program encouraged me to? NO!
    It is up to US that believe this is a good approach to keep it on track with where it's meant to be... and I suppose I'm saying, let's go MFP, let's embrace this type of mentality rather than "Woe is me, I want to be skinny" mentalities.
  • Quasita
    Quasita Posts: 1,530 Member
    I think the study has flaws. They told one group to diet, and another group to make a lifestyle change. They told one group to lose weight, and they told the other group that losing weight didn't matter. It didn't offer at all what measures were used to determine that one group was healthier than the other. Obesity is a health factor in and of itself. It makes you more succeptible to certain debilitating conditions like arthritis and osteoperosis. While I'm sure there is more info out there, just in reading this article, I am skeptical of the true benefits of this program.

    Please note the given "further reading" resources. This is just an article used to introduce the concept that was presented in the Monitor.
  • Quasita
    Quasita Posts: 1,530 Member
    Also, I think that when it comes to those of us that are very large or struggle with mental illness that hinders our success in weightloss, the focus on get up, get moving, and being conscious is a great place to start.
    This is about removing the shame so many of us feel when we look in the mirror. Shame isn't going to help. Motivation, encouragement, and knowing things can change WILL.
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    I think the study has flaws. They told one group to diet, and another group to make a lifestyle change. They told one group to lose weight, and they told the other group that losing weight didn't matter. It didn't offer at all what measures were used to determine that one group was healthier than the other. Obesity is a health factor in and of itself. It makes you more succeptible to certain debilitating conditions like arthritis and osteoperosis. While I'm sure there is more info out there, just in reading this article, I am skeptical of the true benefits of this program.

    Please note the given "further reading" resources. This is just an article used to introduce the concept that was presented in the Monitor.

    Yeah, I didn't really look at the sources. I just don't think this program is what I'm looking for so I didn't peruse it further. I don't agree with the concept that I could be healthy at any weight. Sure, my mental/emotional health is important, but I suffer from early-onset arthritis due to my obesity. This program on the outside seems to be about quality of life, but for me, being in pain from carrying too much weight is not a higher quality of life. Again, there are so many health factors that have to be considered.
  • eig6
    eig6 Posts: 249 Member
    I actually also watched a recent documentary on this fat acceptance idea (here's a link if anyone is interested http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WIjRwtCxB8) and I honestly feel torn about it. I think it is great because people deserve to be happy at any size and the current stigmas and attitudes of people are hurtful. These models I think will help change that which is obviously a good thing. Also, yoyo dieting is hurtful to peoples health and they will be healthier if they stop doing that so that is another good thing. On the other hand though, as someone who used to yoyo diet and used to be quite fat and was picked on by pretty much everyone, am very glad to have lost the weight not only because I accept my body more but because, I feel that I would not have been able to do what I can do now . Though I'll never know for sure I guess. I kind of feel like I just wish everyone knew how to lose weight in a healthy way and keep it off and stop the yoyo dieting that way but I understand that is more easily said than done.
  • Quasita
    Quasita Posts: 1,530 Member
    I think the study has flaws. They told one group to diet, and another group to make a lifestyle change. They told one group to lose weight, and they told the other group that losing weight didn't matter. It didn't offer at all what measures were used to determine that one group was healthier than the other. Obesity is a health factor in and of itself. It makes you more succeptible to certain debilitating conditions like arthritis and osteoperosis. While I'm sure there is more info out there, just in reading this article, I am skeptical of the true benefits of this program.

    Please note the given "further reading" resources. This is just an article used to introduce the concept that was presented in the Monitor.

    Yeah, I didn't really look at the sources. I just don't think this program is what I'm looking for so I didn't peruse it further. I don't agree with the concept that I could be healthy at any weight. Sure, my mental/emotional health is important, but I suffer from early-onset arthritis due to my obesity. This program on the outside seems to be about quality of life, but for me, being in pain from carrying too much weight is not a higher quality of life. Again, there are so many health factors that have to be considered.

    Well, the program doesn't discourage or deny weightloss, what it's saying is basically that you can't let the lack of lost pounds deter you from acknowledging the progress you're making. I have to lose 200 pounds before they can consider fixing my back and I live in constant pain that limits my ability to do things... I have to embrace what I can, cuz somedays, it's not much.

    It doesn't deny health factors or anything of the sort. Most of us that are heavy are struggling with a mental/emotional issue that enables us to make poor choices and excuse our behaviors, and this program is one approach to working on that.

    You may not feel you could be healthy at any weight but... a person can be. I'm almost perfectly healthy and I weigh 432 pounds at 6'1". My back condition is not the result of my weight, but rather, in ways, the cause of it. I'm not saying it will work for everyone 100%; nothing does. I'd just encourage people to consider the ideas for themselves, and read more before putting down validity statements.
  • DanaDark
    DanaDark Posts: 2,187 Member
    I think the reason it has not been mentioned here is that it has absolutely nothing to do with the purpose and goal of this web site community.

    MFP: Healthy, sustainable weight loss goals via proper nutrition and fitness regimens.
    Your Article: Feeling better about current weight, eating whatever, even possibly gaining weight as the interviewee mentions.

    So yeah, while I agree people shouldn't feel ASHAMED of their size/weight, I do not think that particular article is of any relevance to MFP.
  • mcarter99
    mcarter99 Posts: 1,666 Member
    It was a great book.

    Of course it has relevance to MFP. One approach resulted in improved health over traditional diet measures.

    "Health at Any Size" participants retained the same weight they held at the beginning of the study, and they showed a range of psychological and physical benefits including higher self-esteem, less depression, lower cholesterol and blood-pressure levels, and fewer eating-disordered behaviors such as binging and purging. The diet group members, though, not only regained most of the weight they had lost, but lost the health improvements they had made and showed significant drops in self-esteem.
  • JayByrd107
    JayByrd107 Posts: 282 Member
    While I don't think that people should loathe themselves because of their weight, I don't believe that fat or obese status should be acceptable. Nor do I think that sugar coating it by saying that someone can be "healthy" and fat at the same time is doing anyone any good. If being overweight were healthy, it wouldn't be a problem. If the only concerns associated with being big were that some people found it unattractive or that you couldn't fit in an airplane seat properly, the words "crisis" and "epidemic" would not be used when describing it. Doing anything to undermine the seriousness of the situation for society and individuals is doing them no favors. For some, it is akin to telling someone to take their time and mosey on out of a burning building, rather than run. Walking may not be fast enough to prevent something catastrophic. A little (or a lot) of healthy urgency is a good thing.
  • DanaDark
    DanaDark Posts: 2,187 Member
    It was a great book.

    Of course it has relevance to MFP.

    I do not see the relation.
  • Quasita
    Quasita Posts: 1,530 Member
    I think the reason it has not been mentioned here is that it has absolutely nothing to do with the purpose and goal of this web site community.

    MFP: Healthy, sustainable weight loss goals via proper nutrition and fitness regimens.
    Your Article: Feeling better about current weight, eating whatever, even possibly gaining weight as the interviewee mentions.

    So yeah, while I agree people shouldn't feel ASHAMED of their size/weight, I do not think that particular article is of any relevance to MFP.

    No relevance? MFP is a site for building body fitness. Time and again, you see examples of people that lost and gained and lost and gained because all they did was focus on the calories and the pounds and not on the reasons they gain it back. This program is about teaching a person how to approach eating and activity in healthy and enjoyable ways.

    Ya know what? Some people that participate in this program will NEED to gain weight. That's where one person I know was. She was going through it as treatment for anorexia, which we all know there are plenty enough people on here that are recovering or in the throes of that illness as we read.

    Healthy sustainable nutrition is going to include pizza, beer, ice cream, and other pleasures of the pallet. The reality of it is, MFP doesn't really do anything in regards to food choices, it just measures macros. Sure, some people make better choices based on the information, but others just make poor choices in small quantities.

    I guess I realize not everyone is going to agree, but I hate seeing it, and I refuse to feel (as much as I can refuse anyway), disgust at where I am, and where others are, just because they are far from their goal and they can't go straight to "clean eating" or some other "all natural, healthy nutrition" kick.
  • hdsqrl
    hdsqrl Posts: 420 Member
    MFP isn't 100% about weight loss - it's about improved fitness and health, which, for most of us, just happens to also include weight loss.

    That said, I agree with the HAES concept, inasmuch as that people do need to consider what a LOT of excess weight will do to joints over the long haul. I've been stuck right around 175 for most of my adult life, and while I'd LOVE to be smaller from a vanity standpoint, I can currently fit into airplane and roller coaster seats, I can usually find clothing that flatters me, etc. If I had to stay this same weight but could lose the outer jiggly layer, that'd be fine. My BP has always been good, my cholesterol is usually in the good range, etc. I eat intelligently (again, usually, hah), and I move my body regularly - either through easy stuff like walking or harder stuff like lifting.

    Should I be down on myself that the mid-170's might be here to stay for good, but all other areas are green? I don't think so. I'm doing what I can with what I have, I'm making no excuses, and I'm actively working toward becoming stronger and healthier. That, really, seems to be HAES in a nutshell.
  • Quasita
    Quasita Posts: 1,530 Member
    I also DESPISE the assumption that because a person is fat, they must be unhealthy. Health is measured by your inside, not your outside.
    There is a big difference between forgiving yourself your mistakes and working towards a better life without shame, and encouraging people to get fat.
  • infamousmk
    infamousmk Posts: 6,033 Member
    While I don't think that people should loathe themselves because of their weight, I don't believe that fat or obese status should be acceptable. Nor do I think that sugar coating it by saying that someone can be "healthy" and fat at the same time is doing anyone any good. If being overweight were healthy, it wouldn't be a problem. If the only concerns associated with being big were that some people found it unattractive or that you couldn't fit in an airplane seat properly, the words "crisis" and "epidemic" would not be used when describing it. Doing anything to undermine the seriousness of the situation for society and individuals is doing them no favors. For some, it is akin to telling someone to take their time and mosey on out of a burning building, rather than run. Walking may not be fast enough to prevent something catastrophic. A little (or a lot) of healthy urgency is a good thing.

    Many people can have incredible blood pressure, cardiovascular strength, body strength, and stamina while being overweight. As I have already mentioned, I am very active and don't have health problems typically associated with being obese, although I am pushing 70 pounds overweight. A person can be in "reasonably good health" and still be overweight. There is no reason for me to feel shame for my size while I'm trying to improve myself, and I think that is where the basis of this model is going to benefit the average woman.
  • Quasita
    Quasita Posts: 1,530 Member
    MFP isn't 100% about weight loss - it's about improved fitness and health, which, for most of us, just happens to also include weight loss.

    That said, I agree with the HAES concept, inasmuch as that people do need to consider what a LOT of excess weight will do to joints over the long haul. I've been stuck right around 175 for most of my adult life, and while I'd LOVE to be smaller from a vanity standpoint, I can currently fit into airplane and roller coaster seats, I can usually find clothing that flatters me, etc. If I had to stay this same weight but could lose the outer jiggly layer, that'd be fine. My BP has always been good, my cholesterol is usually in the good range, etc. I eat intelligently (again, usually, hah), and I move my body regularly - either through easy stuff like walking or harder stuff like lifting.

    Should I be down on myself that the mid-170's might be here to stay for good, but all other areas are green? I don't think so. I'm doing what I can with what I have, I'm making no excuses, and I'm actively working toward becoming stronger and healthier. That, really, seems to be HAES in a nutshell.

    Well stated, thank you! It is something I struggle with too. I've lost 53 pounds, improved all my numbers to exceptional/healthy ranges, yet still walk around in the same clothes as when I started. I'm fracking tired of people saying that I'm doing nothing! I did it through eating what I want, but smartly, and doing moderate exercise, and I SHOULD be proud of that, even if I'm *still* over 400.

    It makes me sad when you see people on here lamenting where they are because BMI still says overweight.
  • mcarter99
    mcarter99 Posts: 1,666 Member
    The book gives a lot of example of how large people can be much healthier than many small people. This article didn't really address it.

    It's not really about justifying largeness but more about shifting your focus to increasing health rather than decreasing size. A lot of obese people think they should wait to get to a healthy weight to begin exercise but they never get there so they never do, for example. Or they feel like eating healthy foods automatically means caloric restriction so they don't try to eat healthy until they're ready to 'diet'.
  • hdsqrl
    hdsqrl Posts: 420 Member
    This topic reminded me of a post I made a while back that didn't really go anywhere: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/642807-fitness-goals-and-ancestry?hl=ancestry#posts-9307755

    The gist of it is that perhaps those of us who do work (HARD!) at bettering our bodies but who still can't seem to measure up to the people on the magazine covers may be able to take comfort in looking backward at where our ancestors came from. I'm of mostly Scottish descent, and in that sense, it makes sense that I'm not a long, lean runner, but instead am a stocky, well-muscled woman (with bonus child-bearing hips!), who carries a bit of extra fat to help combat those cold winters! ;)

    Somebody hand me mah broadsword!!
  • Quasita
    Quasita Posts: 1,530 Member
    The book gives a lot of example of how large people can be much healthier than many small people. This article didn't really address it.

    It's not really about justifying largeness but more about shifting your focus to increasing health rather than decreasing size. A lot of obese people think they should wait to get to a healthy weight to begin exercise but they never get there so they never do, for example. Or they feel like eating healthy foods automatically means caloric restriction so they don't try to eat healthy until they're ready to 'diet'.

    I know I keep talking about myself but... omg I embody so many of these examples lol! First nutrition class I ever took, I was partnered with a lean guy that rode his bike everywhere. Had to get bloodwork done for a lab we did, and his triglycerides were through the roof, cholesterol very high and BP high, while me, being over 100lbs overweight at the time, only had low HDL. He may have been lean, but he ate Burger King 24-7, while I made more natural and diverse food choices. Yet put us next to each other, most people would say he's better off than me, even though HE was the walking heart attack! lol
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