calorie deficeit / female weight training
karrielynn80
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I am almost complete with my 5th wk of strength training (with cardio & some ab specific workouts inter laced) and i am loving the results. I haven't stepped on a scale - but i don't really care what it says - and the inches are coming off everywhere except my booty - which is looking good so it's got to b muscle... but my question is:
i am at a 1200 calorie deficeit in addition to my workout schedule; i hardly ever eat my burned caloires & i maintain (mostly) a 25/25/50 ratio; do i need to still be on a calorie deficeit to continue my results? (my abs are trimming up nicely, but i still have a small pooch when relaxed) or should i eat a normal calorie - wise diet so i can gain muscle mass at this point? - my fear is not that i'll gain weight but rather that, start adding muscle, but never get rid of that thin layer of fat over my muscles...
i don't feel weak or like my body needs it & i do sometimes go over my goal (maintaining good ratios) - i'm doing this as life style change so i don't want to have diet mindset & allow myself some leway within my diet but i want to make sure i'm not holding productivity up by continuing the calorie deficeit - i see many girls who are looking great, that are eating like 1500-2000 calories... you girls are who i am speaking to - did you wait to up your calories until you reached your body fat goal, or not?
i am at a 1200 calorie deficeit in addition to my workout schedule; i hardly ever eat my burned caloires & i maintain (mostly) a 25/25/50 ratio; do i need to still be on a calorie deficeit to continue my results? (my abs are trimming up nicely, but i still have a small pooch when relaxed) or should i eat a normal calorie - wise diet so i can gain muscle mass at this point? - my fear is not that i'll gain weight but rather that, start adding muscle, but never get rid of that thin layer of fat over my muscles...
i don't feel weak or like my body needs it & i do sometimes go over my goal (maintaining good ratios) - i'm doing this as life style change so i don't want to have diet mindset & allow myself some leway within my diet but i want to make sure i'm not holding productivity up by continuing the calorie deficeit - i see many girls who are looking great, that are eating like 1500-2000 calories... you girls are who i am speaking to - did you wait to up your calories until you reached your body fat goal, or not?
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bump....0
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To continue losing fat you will need a caloric deficit, but it is very good that you are doing weight training, this will help you keep the muscle you currently have. However it is hard for anybody, especially women to gain additional muscle on a caloric defecit because of the decrease testosterone women have. Weight training will make you stronger though. I've been on a caloric deficit for 7 weeks now, but I can bench press, squat and deadlift more than I did several weeks ago. As long as you're on a caloric deficit and you incorporate cardio into your weight training you should be able to rid get of that thin layer of fat over the muscles.0
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Most women tend to have the bump, if you have had children or c-sections, or hernia removals. I would continue working on your core, and research foods that can cause the stomach bump you may need to stay away from.
I have had all of the above; and no matter what I do I will never get rid of my bump. I dislike it and finally saw a surgeon. I hope to get the bump taken care of this year 2012. I work on my core and weights.
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thanks ladies, i have had it since high school. but it's reduced dramatically since i started my weight training + cardio & 2 days of ab ripper x. I think i'll keep the calorie deficeit until i hit my 8 wk mark & see how i'm doing there, if i haven't see more dramatic changes (seen meaning in my measurments) i'll just go back to a normal calorie, lean diet & see if the muscle builds & stretches it out...
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Set your goal to lose 0.5lbs/week, eat back exercise calories, hit your protein target and lift heavy weights (5-10 reps range/set where the last rep or 2 is difficult to complete with good form) preferably compound lifts.
If you don't eat enough you risk losing a large % of the lean muscle you already have. the less you have to lose the more important it is to have a smaller deficit.0 -
For the summer I've been maintaining, at about 117lbs. My calories are set at 1430 and I eat all my excercise calories back. I wanted to see if a could add muscle and I wasn't going to do that at a deficit. I still have some fat to lose around my abs but I didn't want to lose any more muscle. With my exercise calories I eat about 2000 calories a day.
So yes, I think that you need to up your calories for a while and see if you can build......0 -
I agree with the others...lift as heavy as you can for 6-8 reps and eat more...1200 is for the birds. Even when I'm cutting I eat 1500+ calories without exercise, and I still drop a few pounds, and I'm already small. I hate that number!0
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i'd say, if it ain't broke - don't fix it. i couldn't, personally, survive on that few calories but if you're getting good results and feel like you have enough energy for your training i'd stick with it until you are unhappy with your results, then make a change.0
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I am eating 2000-2200 while strength training, keeping cardio to a minimum and not eating back cardio calories when I do it. My TDEE is around 1800. No, I am not at the BF% that I want yet, but I am in the weight range that I consider acceptable. I decided to stop losing fat for a while and try to build muscle instead. I am going to continue to do this for 2 months total (stage 1 in the NROL4W program). After that, I will evaluate where I am at and if I want to "cut" more fat out.0
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hmmm... now i have more to think about. I think i'll start at least eating back my workout calories (considering i only log my cardio calories, not my strength training ones; it'd be hard to get an accurate calorie count of my strength training w/out one of the meters, and i am such a ocd person, i'm afraid if i get one of those, i'll start logging "cleaning house" and what not lol)...
i've got 3 more wks of this part of my program (12 wk split going from 8-12 reps > 6-8 reps > 4-6 reps) so i'll just adj that for now & see how it goes. thanks for all the imput. I'll let everyone know how i'm tracking at the end of my 5-8 wk stent.
what do you guys / gals use to measure your body fat btw?, i want to get an accurate reading and the handheld one at my gym seems to be "for the birds" if you ask me...0 -
Based on your pic and what you have said you don't have much more fat to lose, so it probably doesn't matter too much what you do until it is gone since that should only be another couple few weeks. In general though you would want to watch how fast you are losing, especially the lower bf% you get to, and 1200 would be pretty low for longer term. Once the fat is gone as a woman you would eat around 200 over maintenance if you want to grow more muscle. A ton of useful info can be found here http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1465193030
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For the summer I've been maintaining, at about 117lbs. My calories are set at 1430 and I eat all my excercise calories back. I wanted to see if a could add muscle and I wasn't going to do that at a deficit. I still have some fat to lose around my abs but I didn't want to lose any more muscle. With my exercise calories I eat about 2000 calories a day.
So yes, I think that you need to up your calories for a while and see if you can build......
Pretty much this--I'm 5'6" 116 lbs and have it set to 1550/day plus eat all my cals back. I usually do a 40/30/30 c/f/p ratio.0 -
Forgive me for being naive, but if you work out 2x a day and don't eat back your deficit how do you manage to maintain energy in everyday life? Is your BMR cals at 1200 and you eat that but just don't eat back the deficit from your workouts?
I am asking cause mine is at 1200 cals but I do eat back my deficit and am wondering if this is reason for my lack of scale movement. I usually do an hour of cardio and then free weights for 30mins - all in one session though. Not to hijack this thread. You look amazing.0 -
Someone please explain to me why my thighs are getting bigger and hips wider as a consequence...I'm lifting heavy, doing short HIIT and eating at TDEE-15%?0
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Someone please explain to me why my thighs are getting bigger and hips wider as a consequence...I'm lifting heavy, doing short HIIT and eating at TDEE-15%?
I would say either you calculated TDEE wrong and are eating over maintenance, or you are just experiencing water retention in your leg muscles (the "swell" from lifting, my arms look huge right after lifting but go back to normal in a few hours).0 -
I've calculate my TDEE time and time again. I weigh everything and log very accurately...to the single gram. My maintenance is 2076, I'm def not eating this.0
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I've calculate my TDEE time and time again. I weigh everything and log very accurately...to the single gram. My maintenance is 2076, I'm def not eating this.
If you are short, that seems a bit high. My TDEE calculated on here is 1800, but by NROL4W's method it is 2000. I am 5'5"/135#. Where did you calculate the number?0 -
I've been on fitness frog.
If you want to work it out please do so as I could be wrong, I'm 4ft 11, 56.9kg, exercise 5 times per week, 28 years old
Is it because I'm older?0 -
Just wanted to add my experience to good information you're getting here.
I started heavy lifting in April 2011. I saw great results with body recomposition and kept bopping along doing some combination of heavy weights, some cardio, and deficits eating from 1500-2000 for probably almost a year with 40/30/30 c/f/p macros. I bounced around a lot depending on how on target I was with these goals. I dropped body fat and looked better this April than last but still wasn't at my body fat goal and getting frustrated.
I realized I had been essentially eating at deficit for too long and took 2 weeks and ate at maintenance. After, late June, I started a an aggressive cut following a most of a recommended program from Leigh Peele (http://www.leighpeele.com/). This was a change. The deficits are much more dramatic, the macros vary according to which part of the cut you are in and there much more cardio work. I am always at a deficit of at leat 30% of TDEE and as high as 40%. I don't log exercise calories since they're already included in TDEE. I am working on being diet adherent all the time except for 1 meal/evening per week.
After 4 weeks I have lost 8 inches overall and 6.5 lbs (some of it water from having been eating more for 2 weeks before the cut). Body fat is harder to determine but I think that's trending downwards. I am in my 5th week with 7 weeks left (12 total)
I tell you all this because while I think slow and steady works for some it wasn't getting me where I wanted to go. I am cutting aggressively now and after I will reassess, eat at maintenance for a while and if I want to I will go back to cutting, though, according to the numbers this should put me where I want to be.0 -
I've been on fitness frog.
If you want to work it out please do so as I could be wrong, I'm 4ft 11, 56.9kg, exercise 5 times per week, 28 years old
Is it because I'm older?
I get the same number you did. But if you include your exercise in the TDEE, you aren't supposed to eat back exercise calories, without considering exercising the number is 1750ish. Also, TDEE calculators are just estimates so it is possible that your metabolism is slower than average. Are you gaining weight or just inches?
PS I am definitely no expert on any of this :laugh:0 -
So do you recommend I eat at maintenance for a few weeks? I've gradually upped my cals since last year...I was massively under eating for years. My current deficit is 15% so maybe need to go lower and add in more cardio?0
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Set your goal to lose 0.5lbs/week, eat back exercise calories, hit your protein target and lift heavy weights (5-10 reps range/set where the last rep or 2 is difficult to complete with good form) preferably compound lifts.
If you don't eat enough you risk losing a large % of the lean muscle you already have. the less you have to lose the more important it is to have a smaller deficit.
This. OP should definitely be eating MORE than 1200 calories.0 -
I've been on fitness frog.
If you want to work it out please do so as I could be wrong, I'm 4ft 11, 56.9kg, exercise 5 times per week, 28 years old
Is it because I'm older?
I get the same number you did. But if you include your exercise in the TDEE, you aren't supposed to eat back exercise calories, without considering exercising the number is 1750ish. Also, TDEE calculators are just estimates so it is possible that your metabolism is slower than average. Are you gaining weight or just inches?
PS I am definitely no expert on any of this :laugh:
I don't eat back exercise calories. However! Ive been advised to ensure I net my BMR which sometimes I haven't if I've had a big burn.0 -
Someone please explain to me why my thighs are getting bigger and hips wider as a consequence...I'm lifting heavy, doing short HIIT and eating at TDEE-15%?
How much bigger? How long have you been doing this? How long have you been dieting in total? Were you at a larger deficit before doing this? Have you taken a "diet break" recently?0 -
So do you recommend I eat at maintenance for a few weeks? I've gradually upped my cals since last year...I was massively under eating for years. My current deficit is 15% so maybe need to go lower and add in more cardio?
If you were "massively under eating for years", yes, I'd recommend eating at maintenance for maybe as long as a month. You might gain a bit to began with, but that should level out after a week or so. Your hormones are probably out of balance due to the the long term calorie deficit.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-full-diet-break.html0 -
I've had an increase of an inch on each thigh. I've been lifting heavy for months now and have gradually increased my calories since January. I've not taken a diet break no, and yes, prior to Jan I spen years over exercising with cardio and eating 1200 or less most days.0
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Forgive me for being naive, but if you work out 2x a day and don't eat back your deficit how do you manage to maintain energy in everyday life? Is your BMR cals at 1200 and you eat that but just don't eat back the deficit from your workouts?
I am asking cause mine is at 1200 cals but I do eat back my deficit and am wondering if this is reason for my lack of scale movement. I usually do an hour of cardio and then free weights for 30mins - all in one session though. Not to hijack this thread. You look amazing.
i'm not sure. sometimes i eat my workout calories, but just my cardio - i don't log my strength training calories burned - just depends on my appetite & i don't more than do.
i can tell you i split my workouts thru the day (cardio in the am & weights in the afternoon) and i don't eat before my am workout - i get cramps and stomach aches if i do - so i get up at lik 530, get ready go work out & then to work, my first meal is bt 8-9am, and i eat every 2/3 hrs after that... i rarely get belly rumble, or feel weak - if i do, it's usually a monday am after i've over endulged thru the wkend...0 -
I've been on fitness frog.
If you want to work it out please do so as I could be wrong, I'm 4ft 11, 56.9kg, exercise 5 times per week, 28 years old
Is it because I'm older?
all the calculators that are online (including MFP) are estimates. the only way to calculate it properly is to get an accurate BMR reading or BF% analysis which can be expensive and a massive hassle - it is better to use these (calculators) as a rough guide only then tweak or mess about with your calories to see what works for you.0 -
So do you recommend I eat at maintenance for a few weeks? I've gradually upped my cals since last year...I was massively under eating for years. My current deficit is 15% so maybe need to go lower and add in more cardio?
If you were "massively under eating for years", yes, I'd recommend eating at maintenance for maybe as long as a month. You might gain a bit to began with, but that should level out after a week or so. Your hormones are probably out of balance due to the the long term calorie deficit.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-full-diet-break.html
I completely agree - before my current cut I took a few weeks at maintenance (could have/should done longer). After my cut I will go back to maintenance for month before I consider cutting again.0 -
Based on your pic and what you have said you don't have much more fat to lose, so it probably doesn't matter too much what you do until it is gone since that should only be another couple few weeks. In general though you would want to watch how fast you are losing, especially the lower bf% you get to, and 1200 would be pretty low for longer term. Once the fat is gone as a woman you would eat around 200 over maintenance if you want to grow more muscle. A ton of useful info can be found here http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=146519303
thanks. i know the lower the numbers the harder the results too. can you tell me what a healthy bf% is for a female (5'3, 122) - i am goig for an "athletic" build (you know that of like a laxed fitness model) - my first reading on the hand held said 19.8, and i don't look as lean as i'd like just yet - but i don't want to shoot for too lean either - i know the mirror is all that counts, i'm not caught up in numbers, i just don't know the basics of what my bf% should be either - and i don't like using the online calcuators (doesn't seem right to me a online calc could tell me something that everything else uses physical evidence to show)...0
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