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Artificial sweeteners don't help people lose weight. New Study?

Old_Cat_LadyOld_Cat_Lady Posts: 1,200Member Member Posts: 1,200Member Member
Someone paid for this study?
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/07/17/537262142/artificial-sweeteners-dont-help-people-lose-weight-review-finds
I'll drink a diet drink from time to time. I never thought it would make me skinny. Did you? I hope these are not our tax dollars at work.
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  • OliveGirl128OliveGirl128 Posts: 807Member Member Posts: 807Member Member
    From the link-
    And observational data suggest that the people who regularly consume these sweeteners are also more likely to develop future health problems – though those studies can't say those problems are caused by the sweeteners.

    Not impressed :p
    edited July 17
  • ShawshankcanShawshankcan Posts: 894Member Member Posts: 894Member Member
    Its a mentality some people have, whether they realize it or not. They believe that when drinking a diet drink, they essentially have more room for calories in their food and end up eating more.

    If I eat fast food, I will get a diet drink, not because I think it is a healthy choice, but to save 600 calories even though I already over indulged.
  • blueeyeteablueeyetea Posts: 44Member Member Posts: 44Member Member
    [quote= I never thought it would make me skinny. [/quote]

    In all fairness, what would be the point of using artificial sweetener, if you didn't care about the calories? Might as well stay with the real thing, no?
  • Noel_57Noel_57 Posts: 5,004Member Member Posts: 5,004Member Member
    Just remember that none of these studies say artificial sweeteners are directly responsible for weight gain. I mean, how can something with zero calories make you fat? These studies all suggest that artificial sweeteners somehow make you hungrier, and that this accounts for the weight gain. Not that this is true for everyone.
  • ShawshankcanShawshankcan Posts: 894Member Member Posts: 894Member Member
    Noel_57 wrote: »
    Just remember that none of these studies say artificial sweeteners are directly responsible for weight gain. I mean, how can something with zero calories make you fat? These studies all suggest that artificial sweeteners somehow make you hungrier, and that this accounts for the weight gain. Not that this is true for everyone.

    Pretty sure that was debunked.
  • MomeproMomepro Posts: 489Member Member Posts: 489Member Member
    blueeyetea wrote: »
    [quote= I never thought it would make me skinny.

    In all fairness, what would be the point of using artificial sweetener, if you didn't care about the calories? Might as well stay with the real thing, no?

    To save the calories to use elsewhere.

    Calorie allowances are a budget. If I can save calories by using an artificial sweetener for my morning tea so I have them to spend on actual food, it would be foolish not to do that. It's wise budgeting.[/quote]

    It can be useful for diabetics to control the amount of sugar in thier system, even if they aren't actually worried about counting calories.
  • OliveGirl128OliveGirl128 Posts: 807Member Member Posts: 807Member Member
    blueeyetea wrote: »
    In all fairness, what would be the point of using artificial sweetener, if you didn't care about the calories? Might as well stay with the real thing, no?

    First thing I think of is diabetics. My husband's grandma has been a pre-diabetic for something like 20 years and she uses artificial sweeteners in all her baking and then in her tea and canned goods like jams.
    edited July 17
  • ccrdragonccrdragon Posts: 1,257Member Member Posts: 1,257Member Member
    I have to wonder if how much artificial sweetener people use could come into play. When I go out with my artificial sweetener using family I use I packet of sugar or none at all in coffee or tea. The rest of the table is dumping four or more sweetener packets in every glass. All those "zero" calories have to add up at some point. I also wonder if they can dull your taste for sweet as well. A relative once made me a bowl of strawberries and poured splenda on them. I couldn't eat them. It was unbearably sweet. Sweeter than candy and I love candy.

    If you are using the packets, then yes, there are some trace carbs (dextrose, et al.) used as fillers and they do add up, but you would have to be eating loads of packets each day for it to have a significant effect on your overall calorie intake. The difference between this and the diet drinks is that they do not have the fillers, so there would be no added carbs to 'add up'.
  • Christine_72Christine_72 Posts: 15,557Member Member Posts: 15,557Member Member
    Noel_57 wrote: »
    Just remember that none of these studies say artificial sweeteners are directly responsible for weight gain. I mean, how can something with zero calories make you fat? These studies all suggest that artificial sweeteners somehow make you hungrier, and that this accounts for the weight gain. Not that this is true for everyone.

    Pretty sure that was debunked.

    I dont think peoples very individual experiences with artificial sweeteners can be debunked... We are not all perfect robots who react exactly the same way to every single substance on the planet.
  • JustRobby1JustRobby1 Posts: 668Member Member Posts: 668Member Member
    Noel_57 wrote: »
    Just remember that none of these studies say artificial sweeteners are directly responsible for weight gain. I mean, how can something with zero calories make you fat? These studies all suggest that artificial sweeteners somehow make you hungrier, and that this accounts for the weight gain. Not that this is true for everyone.

    Pretty sure that was debunked.

    I dont think peoples very individual experiences with artificial sweeteners can be debunked... We are not all perfect robots who react exactly the same way to every single substance on the planet.

    That is true I suppose, as far as it goes, you can't "debunk" someone's purely anecdotal claim. Then again, purely anecdotal claims are not science either.
  • gothchiqgothchiq Posts: 4,106Member Member Posts: 4,106Member Member
    I use diet sodas for the sake of variety. I can't drink just water and coffee.
  • jennybearlvjennybearlv Posts: 1,361Member Member Posts: 1,361Member Member
    ccrdragon wrote: »
    I have to wonder if how much artificial sweetener people use could come into play. When I go out with my artificial sweetener using family I use I packet of sugar or none at all in coffee or tea. The rest of the table is dumping four or more sweetener packets in every glass. All those "zero" calories have to add up at some point. I also wonder if they can dull your taste for sweet as well. A relative once made me a bowl of strawberries and poured splenda on them. I couldn't eat them. It was unbearably sweet. Sweeter than candy and I love candy.

    If you are using the packets, then yes, there are some trace carbs (dextrose, et al.) used as fillers and they do add up, but you would have to be eating loads of packets each day for it to have a significant effect on your overall calorie intake. The difference between this and the diet drinks is that they do not have the fillers, so there would be no added carbs to 'add up'.

    Yeah, I looked it up. Even though my family appears to be going crazy with those packets the highest calorie count I could find was 8.75 calories per 100g. I'm guessing their weight problems are probably more about applying those quantities to all the other "healthy" foods too.
  • NorthCascadesNorthCascades Posts: 6,435Member Member Posts: 6,435Member Member
    ccrdragon wrote: »
    I have to wonder if how much artificial sweetener people use could come into play. When I go out with my artificial sweetener using family I use I packet of sugar or none at all in coffee or tea. The rest of the table is dumping four or more sweetener packets in every glass. All those "zero" calories have to add up at some point. I also wonder if they can dull your taste for sweet as well. A relative once made me a bowl of strawberries and poured splenda on them. I couldn't eat them. It was unbearably sweet. Sweeter than candy and I love candy.

    If you are using the packets, then yes, there are some trace carbs (dextrose, et al.) used as fillers and they do add up, but you would have to be eating loads of packets each day for it to have a significant effect on your overall calorie intake. The difference between this and the diet drinks is that they do not have the fillers, so there would be no added carbs to 'add up'.

    Yeah, I looked it up. Even though my family appears to be going crazy with those packets the highest calorie count I could find was 8.75 calories per 100g. I'm guessing their weight problems are probably more about applying those quantities to all the other "healthy" foods too.

    This would all be so much easier if it was just one food making people fat. Everybody could stop eating that one thing, and be set.
  • OliveGirl128OliveGirl128 Posts: 807Member Member Posts: 807Member Member
    I have to wonder if how much artificial sweetener people use could come into play. When I go out with my artificial sweetener using family I use I packet of sugar or none at all in coffee or tea. The rest of the table is dumping four or more sweetener packets in every glass. All those "zero" calories have to add up at some point. I also wonder if they can dull your taste for sweet as well. A relative once made me a bowl of strawberries and poured splenda on them. I couldn't eat them. It was unbearably sweet. Sweeter than candy and I love candy.

    I use splenda in my coffee and I use 1/2 pkt per large cup. The thought of using 4 pkts makes my teeth hurt oiy! Artificial sweetener is so much sweeter than regular sugar, I can't imagine using a lot of it at once.
    edited July 17
  • JustRobby1JustRobby1 Posts: 668Member Member Posts: 668Member Member
    Noel_57 wrote: »
    Just remember that none of these studies say artificial sweeteners are directly responsible for weight gain. I mean, how can something with zero calories make you fat? These studies all suggest that artificial sweeteners somehow make you hungrier, and that this accounts for the weight gain. Not that this is true for everyone.

    Pretty sure that was debunked.

    I dont think peoples very individual experiences with artificial sweeteners can be debunked... We are not all perfect robots who react exactly the same way to every single substance on the planet.

    That is true I suppose, as far as it goes, you can't "debunk" someone's purely anecdotal claim. Then again, purely anecdotal claims are not science either.

    Unless they offer themselves up to science to be studied, anecdotal is all we've got.

    Just say I started feeling sickly, bloated, headachy and was experiencing intense cravings all of a sudden. Perhaps i just introduced diet soda into my diet, so this would be the obvious place to start. So i quit drinking the soda and all of those side effects disappeared, it would be my anecdotal claim that the diet soda was causing these problems.

    You offering yourself up for study in the above scenario would prove absolutely nothing since virtually nothing scientifically significant can be inferred from a single case unless you happen to be patient zero in some newly discovered zoonotic infectious disease.

    Anecdotes are fine of course. They only become problematic when people attempt to make huge generalizations from them which can not be validated. And let's face a significant reality shall we? Can you name another industry besides fitness and nutrition that has more completely unsubstantiated nonsense in it? I can't think of one.
    edited July 18
  • stevencloserstevencloser Posts: 8,217Member Member Posts: 8,217Member Member
    Noel_57 wrote: »
    Just remember that none of these studies say artificial sweeteners are directly responsible for weight gain. I mean, how can something with zero calories make you fat? These studies all suggest that artificial sweeteners somehow make you hungrier, and that this accounts for the weight gain. Not that this is true for everyone.

    Pretty sure that was debunked.

    I dont think peoples very individual experiences with artificial sweeteners can be debunked... We are not all perfect robots who react exactly the same way to every single substance on the planet.

    That is true I suppose, as far as it goes, you can't "debunk" someone's purely anecdotal claim. Then again, purely anecdotal claims are not science either.

    Unless they offer themselves up to science to be studied, anecdotal is all we've got.

    Just say I started feeling sickly, bloated, headachy and was experiencing intense cravings all of a sudden. Perhaps i just introduced diet soda into my diet, so this would be the obvious place to start. So i quit drinking the soda and all of those side effects disappeared, it would be my anecdotal claim that the diet soda was causing these problems.

    People HAVE offered themselves to science to be studied.
    They found that people who claimed to be sensitive to aspartame got reactions just as much from the placebo.
    That's the thing with anecdotal reports, there's a ton of confounding factors and you attributing it to one specific thing doesn't make it the culprit.
    edited July 18
  • JustRobby1JustRobby1 Posts: 668Member Member Posts: 668Member Member
    Noel_57 wrote: »
    Just remember that none of these studies say artificial sweeteners are directly responsible for weight gain. I mean, how can something with zero calories make you fat? These studies all suggest that artificial sweeteners somehow make you hungrier, and that this accounts for the weight gain. Not that this is true for everyone.

    Pretty sure that was debunked.

    I dont think peoples very individual experiences with artificial sweeteners can be debunked... We are not all perfect robots who react exactly the same way to every single substance on the planet.

    That is true I suppose, as far as it goes, you can't "debunk" someone's purely anecdotal claim. Then again, purely anecdotal claims are not science either.

    Unless they offer themselves up to science to be studied, anecdotal is all we've got.

    Just say I started feeling sickly, bloated, headachy and was experiencing intense cravings all of a sudden. Perhaps i just introduced diet soda into my diet, so this would be the obvious place to start. So i quit drinking the soda and all of those side effects disappeared, it would be my anecdotal claim that the diet soda was causing these problems.

    People HAVE offered themselves to science to be studied.
    They found that people who claimed to be sensitive to aspartame got reactions just as much from the placebo.
    That's the thing with anecdotal reports, there's a ton of confounding factors and you attributing it to one specific thing doesn't make it the culprit.

    Steven brings up an important point here, as this type of phenomenon is exceedingly common with these types of clinical trials. Enter the Nocebo effect, or reverse placebo effect. It was also observed In one of the largest and most prominent studies ever conducted on "Gluten sensitivity". To make a long story short, people who did not ingest anything containing gluten, but thought they were, STILL reported symptoms. This despite of the fact that there was no biological mechanism of action for their claims
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jgh.13705/full

    So are these types of people just "liars"? Perhaps, though in their head they may well actually believe that something is wrong with them. Psychology is not really my area of expertise. However, what I do know is that in the absence of a measurable and quantifiable biological reality which can be directly observed, a researcher must rely on the anecdotal, as was mentioned previously. Obviously, the resultant research is worthless if people are not being candid with you.

    This is important to keep in mind with these types of studies.
    edited July 18
  • kalamarikmkalamarikm Posts: 57Member Member Posts: 57Member Member
    I say, if you're sitting there craving sugar, it's better to choose the diet soda than the slice of cake.
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