Endomorphs & Fat Loss

gbel1975

I know the rule for weight loss is: Calories Burned > Calories Eaten = Weight Loss

Recently I've read that endomorphs should try to eat sweet/starchy carbs only after a workout. I've read multiple sources that indicate this is due to the way carbs trigger insulin and other body functions and that this is helpful after workouts, but detrimental at other times.

Have any endomorphs on here found that timing of carbs is a critical component to successful weight (fat) loss?

peachyfuzzle

Somatypes are as much of a myth as meal timing.

Stick to the very first line of your post, and you'll be good.

abatonfan

Physiologically, I don't think there are any differences in body types and endocrine functions. You eat carbs, your pancreas releases insulin, and insulin promotes the uptake of glucose into cells and glycogen into the muscles and liver. It's the same for all humans... unless you're a type 1 diabetic and cannot produce insulin.

leggup

endomorphs/somatypes/blood type diets/diets for a specific person based on physical attributes/eating within certain time windows = debunked broscience.

gbel1975

Thanks for the input/reassurance, folks.

yopeeps025

For weight loss you are correct. Is it the same for the athletes trying to better there workout?

BenjaminMFP88

Stating Somatypes are a myth is just as false as saying they have any relation to metabolism or bodybuilding potential. The theory of Somatypes came about sometime around the 1930's and were intended to differentiate psychological and not physical attributes. It's only been in more recent years that people started attaching metabolic and muscle building attributes to them.

To the OP, the fact that you are an "endo" has nothing to do with your metabolism. Do not make dietary decisions based on this. Some people are just simply genetically predisposed to respond better/worse to certain dietary patterns then others. Try carb controlling and see how you like it, you may have better results then others. Whatever works is simply whatever works.

BenjaminMFP88

And it's "The Atles of Men" by William Sheldon that originated the theory.

dramaqueen45

I do think though that people gain weight differently- women tend to be pear shaped and men tend to be apple shaped. My mother in law is definitely apple shaped- overweight all around the middle with small hips and thin legs. She is a type 2 diabetic and had open heart surgery a few years ago.

ninerbuff

BenjaminMFP88 wrote: »

Stating Somatypes are a myth is just as false as saying they have any relation to metabolism or bodybuilding potential. The theory of Somatypes came about sometime around the 1930's and were intended to differentiate psychological and not physical attributes. It's only been in more recent years that people started attaching metabolic and muscle building attributes to them.

To the OP, the fact that you are an "endo" has nothing to do with your metabolism. Do not make dietary decisions based on this. Some people are just simply genetically predisposed to respond better/worse to certain dietary patterns then others. Try carb controlling and see how you like it, you may have better results then others. Whatever works is simply whatever works.

Well let's say the fitness industry instigated it as way to increase revenue. Creating a predisposition for a person gives leverage as to what type of diet and training they should do. So in that sense it is a "myth", but I get what you're saying.


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ninerbuff

dramaqueen45 wrote: »

I do think though that people gain weight differently- women tend to be pear shaped and men tend to be apple shaped. My mother in law is definitely apple shaped- overweight all around the middle with small hips and thin legs. She is a type 2 diabetic and had open heart surgery a few years ago.

Genetics overall will dictate how where one holds fat on the body. Gaining weight is the same for everyone. Consuming more than you need will cause weight gain.


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SanteMulberry

dramaqueen45 wrote: »

I do think though that people gain weight differently- women tend to be pear shaped and men tend to be apple shaped. My mother in law is definitely apple shaped- overweight all around the middle with small hips and thin legs. She is a type 2 diabetic and had open heart surgery a few years ago.

Yes--intra-abdominal fat (also called visceral fat) is much more of a health liability for women than is the "pear-shaped" fat deposits that are between the skin and the muscle (subcutaneous). All body fat, of course, contributes to various endocrine disturbances, if it is excessive. It is the endocrine system that determines where fat will be deposited and that is often genetically determined. What we call "endomorphs" are simply people whose bodies use excess calories for building fat stores. Some fortunate folk get a bump in their metabolism and a desire to increase activity, in response to excess calories.

Some endocrine researchers have suggested that it is not just total calories that influence appetite and activity level (and thus, obesity) but rather the composition of the diet. When animals want to get fat to prepare for an impending period of hibernation, they will search out a source of fructose.

Richard Johnson, M.D. is head of the renal division at the University of Colorado medical center. He began to be interested in fructose when he observed that "metabolic syndrome" (metabolic syndrome is common for many of his kidney-impaired patients) could be induced in normal weight subjects when they had a large daily dose of a high-fructose drink (but the amount was not outside of what many people with a large soda pop habit would consume). He and his team have done further studies showing that the ingestion of large amounts of fructose does two things: 1) causes sluggishness (through a complex bio-chemical process) and 2) causes rapid growth of fat deposits. He believes that fructose acts like a "fat switch" and that it is, in fact, a normal response in most animals. Black bears, for example, will consume vast quantities of wild blueberries in preparation for winter hibernation.

Humans have today, their greatest fructose exposure in the large amount of sugar that is eaten here (sucrose--that is, table sugar--is 50% fructose). The small amount of fructose in natural fruit, eaten in moderation, does not appear to be a problem. The amount of fructose in one can of "orange" soda is equivalent to the amount of fructose in 10 oranges. It is easy to quaff a can of soda in less than an hour, but much less likely that anyone would eat 10 oranges in a day, let alone in the amount of time it takes to drink a soda. The fructose effect would be more powerful in some than in others. In some individuals, it seems to trigger binges of all kinds of food, and induce sluggishness--causing them to gain body fat (we could call them endomorphs). Others, when given a choice, will eschew eating a lot of it and remain quite slender (we could call them ectomorphs). And still others, will step up their activity levels and use the excess calories by increasing their amount of exercise (let's call them mesomorphs). These habits are largely influenced by genetics and early conditioning but they can be changed. I have noticed that many people here at MFP are VERY fond of sugary treats--not surprising that many moan and groan that they have lost and regained the same 40 pounds over and over.

Cherimoose

dramaqueen45 wrote: »

I do think though that people gain weight differently- women tend to be pear shaped and men tend to be apple shaped. My mother in law is definitely apple shaped- overweight all around the middle with small hips and thin legs. She is a type 2 diabetic and had open heart surgery a few years ago.

Yes, a portion of the population has an "apple shape" body type that makes them prone to Metabolic Syndrome (central obesity, insulin resistance, high triglycerides, etc). This body type seems to be more sensitive to carbohydrates and might benefit more from carbohydrate restriction.

But i don't think carb timing around workouts matter much, except maybe to give you more energy for a better workout if consumed prior.

pander101

britishbroccoli wrote: »

endomorphs/somatypes/blood type diets/diets for a specific person based on physical attributes/eating within certain time windows = debunked broscience.

^^^ Yeap.

ferdinandthong

gbel1975 wrote: »

I know the rule for weight loss is: Calories Burned > Calories Eaten = Weight Loss

From what i have research and analyize, things is not simple as calories in/calories out. An example you eat 2 BigMac (assuming maximum 1000kcal) everyday for weigt loss, is it possible? Please correct me if im wrong, i also want to know the truth.

1g protein not equal to 1g carbs although they are same calories

uconnwinsnc1

gbel1975 wrote: »

Thanks for the input/reassurance, folks.

The good thing about being human is we are all the same. Anything that tells you we are different beyond very minor genetic differences is wrong.

ferdinandthong wrote: »

gbel1975 wrote: »

I know the rule for weight loss is: Calories Burned > Calories Eaten = Weight Loss

From what i have research and analyize, things is not simple as calories in/calories out. An example you eat 2 BigMac (assuming maximum 1000kcal) everyday for weigt loss, is it possible? Please correct me if im wrong, i also want to know the truth.

1g protein not equal to 1g carbs although they are same calories

You might feel like **** eating BigMacs every day but if they fit in your calorie limit you cannot get fat doing so. Calories in vs calories out is 100% the truth for weight loss. For overall fitness and health, nutrition does play a bigger role.

A Big Mac has 24 grams of protein in it, 27 grams of fat, 47 grams of carbs, and 960 mgs of sodium. It has 530 calories. So if you want to have one once in a while it is perfectly fine. Just fit it in to your goals.

yopeeps025

ferdinandthong wrote: »

gbel1975 wrote: »

I know the rule for weight loss is: Calories Burned > Calories Eaten = Weight Loss

From what i have research and analyize, things is not simple as calories in/calories out. An example you eat 2 BigMac (assuming maximum 1000kcal) everyday for weigt loss, is it possible? Please correct me if im wrong, i also want to know the truth.

1g protein not equal to 1g carbs although they are same calories

Use a better example because who only eats 2 big macs a day. What does macro nutriments have to do with calories in<calories out?