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Fat Gripz for benching and deadlifting.
dbmata
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Anyone use them?
Like them?
Like them?
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Tried them several times. Have also tried fat bars.
Nope.
Maybe if I were doing lighter weight work and wanted to add in a grip component?0 -
I would like to use it as a method to increase grip strength. I'm also looking at heavy weight grippers. I don't want grip to hold up my DLs. I don't know if I could grip a single much past 455 right now.0
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I use them and love them. Every lift gets some workout for the forearms. They also take pressure off your shoulders too. They can be used for dumbells as well. I wish I used them from day one.0
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I would like to use it as a method to increase grip strength. I'm also looking at heavy weight grippers. I don't want grip to hold up my DLs. I don't know if I could grip a single much past 455 right now.
Have you actually had grip failure during DL?
I've struggled a lot with grip strength and grip pain specifically. I've tried a lot of different things with varying levels of success. Fat bar stuff has never seemed to work for me, mainly because it would limit the weight I use and therefore ONLY my grip would get a good workout, but my intended movement wouldn't get the kind of training I actually want. That's why I can only really see it being good when doing lighter work for technique or volume or something.0 -
Yup, it did at 455 right before lock, and 405 at rep 4. I've got the gas for 5 reps easy of the 405, but grip doesn't last for it. I'm thinking of donning the straps, so when the grip fails, I can still at least get the DL work in.0
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Yup, it did at 455 right before lock, and 405 at rep 4. I've got the gas for 5 reps easy of the 405, but grip doesn't last for it. I'm thinking of donning the straps, so when the grip fails, I can still at least get the DL work in.
Have you tried any simple changes in how you grip or have these not helped either? Mixed grip and hooking work well for me (I make sure to alternate arms for mixed grip, I can currently only do straight overhand grip for a few reps in a row before I start slipping).
Otherwise, maybe working on grip strength would help? I was doing grip strength exercises before for my tennis elbow but I've not been doing them.. but they did help me improve my grip strength. Especially for benching actually, since I used to not grip stronly enough and now I have no issues. All I did was squeeze and hold something for 5 seconds, about 5 reps. My PT had me do it in 4 positions but this likely is not necessary for non-injured individuals. I do really think I need to start doing it daily again. I just used scarves and tshirts for this. I've also heard that farmer walks can be helpful, as can holding the DL at the top position for as long as comfortable. The latter has helped me before too, but I haven't been doing any of this. My grip is going to *kitten* too.0 -
I have them but have very limited experience. intended to put them on my pull up bar then I got injured. also intended to help with grip strength but that in turn was supposed to help me do more pull ups
I'm assuming they are much more effective with pulling lifts where the grip is more active, but what do I know.0 -
Yup, it did at 455 right before lock, and 405 at rep 4. I've got the gas for 5 reps easy of the 405, but grip doesn't last for it. I'm thinking of donning the straps, so when the grip fails, I can still at least get the DL work in.
Are you wanting to compete? If not, quite worrying about your grip and use straps, you'll see huge gains in your lift immediately. Want to improve your grip...fine, target it with assistance work, but don't ruin your DL by limiting it to your grip strength.0 -
I already do an alternate grip, good amount of chalk. The hook I can't really do, I can't my thumb in on those fingers and keep it there once the bar is off the ground.Have you tried any simple changes in how you grip or have these not helped either? Mixed grip and hooking work well for me (I make sure to alternate arms for mixed grip, I can currently only do straight overhand grip for a few reps in a row before I start slipping).
As for grip, I haven't rock climbed since hurting my knee, but I do landmine rows with a towel, ISOs, light pendlays with towels and I have a pretty weak hand gripper from Harbinger. I'm going to pick up a captains of crush one here soon.
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Yup, it did at 455 right before lock, and 405 at rep 4. I've got the gas for 5 reps easy of the 405, but grip doesn't last for it. I'm thinking of donning the straps, so when the grip fails, I can still at least get the DL work in.
Are you wanting to compete? If not, quite worrying about your grip and use straps, you'll see huge gains in your lift immediately. Want to improve your grip...fine, target it with assistance work, but don't ruin your DL by limiting it to your grip strength.
I have a competition on Jan 30. Deadlift only.
So, yup. I'm even going to cut a little to get to the weight class I'm a couple pounds shy of, and to get my mind in the frame of competition.0 -
Yup, it did at 455 right before lock, and 405 at rep 4. I've got the gas for 5 reps easy of the 405, but grip doesn't last for it. I'm thinking of donning the straps, so when the grip fails, I can still at least get the DL work in.
Are you wanting to compete? If not, quite worrying about your grip and use straps, you'll see huge gains in your lift immediately. Want to improve your grip...fine, target it with assistance work, but don't ruin your DL by limiting it to your grip strength.
I have a competition on Jan 30. Deadlift only.
So, yup. I'm even going to cut a little to get to the weight class I'm a couple pounds shy of, and to get my mind in the frame of competition.
Good for you buddy, good luck.0 -
Yup, it did at 455 right before lock, and 405 at rep 4. I've got the gas for 5 reps easy of the 405, but grip doesn't last for it. I'm thinking of donning the straps, so when the grip fails, I can still at least get the DL work in.
Are you wanting to compete? If not, quite worrying about your grip and use straps, you'll see huge gains in your lift immediately. Want to improve your grip...fine, target it with assistance work, but don't ruin your DL by limiting it to your grip strength.
I have a competition on Jan 30. Deadlift only.
So, yup. I'm even going to cut a little to get to the weight class I'm a couple pounds shy of, and to get my mind in the frame of competition.
Good luck at the competition++++++ let us know how you do.
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I'm thinking I could march up another 35 pounds from my current PR with straps, so I might do that, while working my grip, so hopefully come mid Jan, I can put it all together for a peak, go light for the week beginning two weeks out, then rest the week prior... then go pull as hard as I can until puberty is achieved.
One day, I'll be strong enough to consider myself a man. lol.0 -
Thanks, I've asked my wife to record it... because me in a singlet? The world needs to see that sexy.martinel2099 wrote: »Yup, it did at 455 right before lock, and 405 at rep 4. I've got the gas for 5 reps easy of the 405, but grip doesn't last for it. I'm thinking of donning the straps, so when the grip fails, I can still at least get the DL work in.
Are you wanting to compete? If not, quite worrying about your grip and use straps, you'll see huge gains in your lift immediately. Want to improve your grip...fine, target it with assistance work, but don't ruin your DL by limiting it to your grip strength.
I have a competition on Jan 30. Deadlift only.
So, yup. I'm even going to cut a little to get to the weight class I'm a couple pounds shy of, and to get my mind in the frame of competition.
Good luck at the competition++++++ let us know how you do.
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Thanks, I've asked my wife to record it... because me in a singlet? The world needs to see that sexy.martinel2099 wrote: »Yup, it did at 455 right before lock, and 405 at rep 4. I've got the gas for 5 reps easy of the 405, but grip doesn't last for it. I'm thinking of donning the straps, so when the grip fails, I can still at least get the DL work in.
Are you wanting to compete? If not, quite worrying about your grip and use straps, you'll see huge gains in your lift immediately. Want to improve your grip...fine, target it with assistance work, but don't ruin your DL by limiting it to your grip strength.
I have a competition on Jan 30. Deadlift only.
So, yup. I'm even going to cut a little to get to the weight class I'm a couple pounds shy of, and to get my mind in the frame of competition.
Good luck at the competition++++++ let us know how you do.
A verbal account of your results will be sufficient, thanks. lol0 -
Oh I didn't mention I planned to put a gym sock in the singlet, by request of one of my wife's female colleagues.0
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That might put you over the weight limit. I'm outta here before you start posting pics.0
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I've been told that's the true measure of a man.0
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can you use the straps in your competition? idk if you believe the reviews they do help increase your max weight on lifts.
I know when I first started riding a motorcycle, I had a death grip on the bars, and I was exhausted after like 15 min. maybe struggling to grip something takes more out of you then one thinks.
but if you can use the straps in comp and that's all you care about then I guess that might be the better way to go0 -
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no straps, this is a raw comp, and I believe I also read in the rules, knee sleeves ok, wraps no, belt no.
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well if you have grip issue it would think these would probably be the most effective in the shortest amount of time. not an expert of course, but the certainly do make pull ups harder, and then make them seem easier without them0
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knowing how I am, I will claim I have a grip issue until I deadlift 1# more than the state record for raw. Then I'll say it's ok.
I lack moderation in certain viewpoints.0 -
Yup, it did at 455 right before lock, and 405 at rep 4. I've got the gas for 5 reps easy of the 405, but grip doesn't last for it. I'm thinking of donning the straps, so when the grip fails, I can still at least get the DL work in.
Don't do this. When I was struggling with DL grip, I started using straps because everyone says not to let grip strength limit your workout. This is the worst advice possible unless you want to use straps for everything. Within a few months my grip strength had detrained enough to have trouble with just heavy rows and pull-ups. And it took FOREVER to get it back.
My tips thus far along the must-make-grip-strength-better route:
1) Avoid plate pinches, wrist rollers, etc. They are fun and will make your forearms burn but do not translate.
2) Do not use chalk except on max effort set (if needed).
III) Use double overhand grip for as many sets as you can until...you can't.
5) Do some heavy row work. I actually do two different rows per week (seal rows and kroc rows). Pull-ups are great too.
C) Try to do something that works you grip, every workout.
4) If you need supplemental grip work, do heavy rack pulls and hold the weight as long as possible. Also some simple bar hangs from a pull-up bar can help. Both are immensely painful. Make sure you are duplicating the type of grip work that you want to improve. Which basically means, make sure you're holding a bar in your hands isometrically.
Best of luck at your comp.0 -
I wouldn't be switching to straps excusively. I'd be going as far as I can without chalk, then chalking up, then going as far as I can with that... then adding straps to get those last couple reps. Essentially, I want to make sure the system is forcing me to go as far as I can before switching adding a layer of assistance.
If your grip were you following that type of a progression in the session? Or did you switch to using straps primarily?
Regarding your list, helpful. I do Pendlays and Krocs. I need to really amp the Krocs though, I think I'm sandbagging. I definitely do max time holds on some dl pulls. In between moans of ecstatic pain, I'll try to talk to my coach about something in order to not focus on it and just keep going. I can hold for a good bit of time on 4 plates and less. When I start getting over that, I just want someone to shoot me. lol.
Double overhand is good, I can do more with that, and I think I'm going to order a few captains of crush grippers. If my doc's appt next week clears my knee, I'll go hit the climbing gym, and that place has a lot of ways to train and destroy your grip. Like fingerboards, and the pull up station that uses hanging rubber spheres.
Thanks, we had a long discussion today after my workout, we're going to get really aggressive with DLs, assuming my body is prepped for it. Considering the level of volume we've been doing, I think I'll be able to make some advances.
and thanks, the comp is exciting. i'll go up, have what will probably be a baby pull compared to others, and hopefully have some fun.0 -
I wouldn't be switching to straps excusively. I'd be going as far as I can without chalk, then chalking up, then going as far as I can with that... then adding straps to get those last couple reps. Essentially, I want to make sure the system is forcing me to go as far as I can before switching adding a layer of assistance.
If your grip were you following that type of a progression in the session? Or did you switch to using straps primarily?
Regarding your list, helpful. I do Pendlays and Krocs. I need to really amp the Krocs though, I think I'm sandbagging. I definitely do max time holds on some dl pulls. In between moans of ecstatic pain, I'll try to talk to my coach about something in order to not focus on it and just keep going. I can hold for a good bit of time on 4 plates and less. When I start getting over that, I just want someone to shoot me. lol.
Double overhand is good, I can do more with that, and I think I'm going to order a few captains of crush grippers. If my doc's appt next week clears my knee, I'll go hit the climbing gym, and that place has a lot of ways to train and destroy your grip. Like fingerboards, and the pull up station that uses hanging rubber spheres.
Thanks, we had a long discussion today after my workout, we're going to get really aggressive with DLs, assuming my body is prepped for it. Considering the level of volume we've been doing, I think I'll be able to make some advances.
and thanks, the comp is exciting. i'll go up, have what will probably be a baby pull compared to others, and hopefully have some fun.
When I switched to straps as an experiment, I was only using it on my maximal deadlift set. That's when you're really working your grip and improving it, however. It's crazy how fast my grip strength fell off and how long it took to get back (probably 6 months overall). Definitely a failed experiment.
It sounds like you're doing everything right. It just takes time, my grip strength seems to progress slower than my strict OHP progresses.0 -
the climbing gym helped my grip a lot, but it's so damned slow. I also have small forearms.
I shoulda been a baker instead of a cook.
*sigh* just takes time.
Thanks for your experience. 0 -
I wouldn't be switching to straps excusively. I'd be going as far as I can without chalk, then chalking up, then going as far as I can with that... then adding straps to get those last couple reps. Essentially, I want to make sure the system is forcing me to go as far as I can before switching adding a layer of assistance.
If your grip were you following that type of a progression in the session? Or did you switch to using straps primarily?
Regarding your list, helpful. I do Pendlays and Krocs. I need to really amp the Krocs though, I think I'm sandbagging. I definitely do max time holds on some dl pulls. In between moans of ecstatic pain, I'll try to talk to my coach about something in order to not focus on it and just keep going. I can hold for a good bit of time on 4 plates and less. When I start getting over that, I just want someone to shoot me. lol.
Double overhand is good, I can do more with that, and I think I'm going to order a few captains of crush grippers. If my doc's appt next week clears my knee, I'll go hit the climbing gym, and that place has a lot of ways to train and destroy your grip. Like fingerboards, and the pull up station that uses hanging rubber spheres.
Thanks, we had a long discussion today after my workout, we're going to get really aggressive with DLs, assuming my body is prepped for it. Considering the level of volume we've been doing, I think I'll be able to make some advances.
and thanks, the comp is exciting. i'll go up, have what will probably be a baby pull compared to others, and hopefully have some fun.
When I switched to straps as an experiment, I was only using it on my maximal deadlift set. That's when you're really working your grip and improving it, however. It's crazy how fast my grip strength fell off and how long it took to get back (probably 6 months overall). Definitely a failed experiment.
It sounds like you're doing everything right. It just takes time, my grip strength seems to progress slower than my strict OHP progresses.
Absolutely not doubting you here, but it is puzzling that adding in the straps on only the one set would be that detrimental to your grip strength. I've been using straps for years for DL and rack pulls, and have never had an issue with losing grip strength, it's actually increased gradually. Might be that I'm doing more accessory work and volume, that's the only explanation I can think of. Honestly though, even if it did cause some loss of grip I'd still go with the straps as I'm more concerned with building than having an iron grip. Obviously I'm not a competitor so different goals.0 -
Try holding your last rep of each set for a 10 count. I have seen or heard about this technique being used by some of the pro powerlifters with most saying that it works well.0
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Farmers walk? Helped my grip strength.0
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