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Training vs Nutrition discussion thread
Jams009
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Training vs Nutrition; both are important and work together in harmony. But is either one more important than the other? If so why?
Just looking for opinions and discussion.
Just looking for opinions and discussion.
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nutrition is key as you cant workout at high enough intensity without it being correct.0
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herrspoons wrote: »For weight loss? Nutrition is far more important. For fat loss and looking good? Both are equally important.
yup
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I agree it depends on your goals, but generally speaking I think more focus has to be on nutrition. Simply because to do it optimally is a full time job; you can forget about training until the next session, but for optimum nutrition you have to be almost constantly on guard 24/7.
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herrspoons wrote: »For weight loss? Nutrition is far more important. For fat loss and looking good? Both are equally important.
Reasons?
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I agree it depends on your goals, but generally speaking I think more focus has to be on nutrition. Simply because to do it optimally is a full time job; you can forget about training until the next session, but for optimum nutrition you have to be almost constantly on guard 24/7.
Again, that depends on your goals. For me, it's about running performance, so I need to plan the training, eat to train, then train. If I don't train appropriately then the running performance doesn't improve as it should. If I don't eat to train then the training isn't to an adequate quality to improve.
If the focus is on something else, then training isn't essential, you can deal with CICO through nutrition alone.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »For weight loss? Nutrition is far more important. For fat loss and looking good? Both are equally important.
Reasons?
What do you mean reasons?
You can lose weight just by eating fewer calories than you burn - it's just a fact
adding in exercise goes someway to protect against loss of lean muscle as you lose weight; has emotional benefits; helps you eat more calories as you lose weight
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herrspoons wrote: »For weight loss? Nutrition is far more important. For fat loss and looking good? Both are equally important.
Reasons?
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MeanderingMammal wrote: »I agree it depends on your goals, but generally speaking I think more focus has to be on nutrition. Simply because to do it optimally is a full time job; you can forget about training until the next session, but for optimum nutrition you have to be almost constantly on guard 24/7.
Again, that depends on your goals. For me, it's about running performance, so I need to plan the training, eat to train, then train. If I don't train appropriately then the running performance doesn't improve as it should. If I don't eat to train then the training isn't to an adequate quality to improve.
If the focus is on something else, then training isn't essential, you can deal with CICO through nutrition alone.
Yeah that makes sense. In that case they seem equally as important for you.
But, playing devils advocate, for the best results should you still need to think about nutrition for recovery after training? And watch what you eat at other times as well? If so do you think you would spend more time and effort focusing on nutrition than you do training?0 -
But, playing devils advocate, for the best results should you still need to think about nutrition for recovery after training? And watch what you eat at other times as well? If so do you think you would spend more time and effort focusing on nutrition than you do training?
A question of emphasis, by eating to train it's the training that's the priority. The fuelling is in support. Equally it's about choices, so the thoughts about nutrient balance are pretty broad.
After a run of more than 10K I'll generally throw a recovery drink down my throat, but that's about it as far as specifics are concerned. Nothing like as anally retentive as the weights bunnies get.
Eat the calories, and everything is generally fine. If it's a run of more than 8-10 miles then it's worth eating beforehand. That's partly because my adaptation to endurance running isn't there yet, and partly psychological.
Also note that if I'm doing a session of more than about 90 minutes I also think about eating on the move. So long runs and most cycle sessions.
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »For weight loss? Nutrition is far more important. For fat loss and looking good? Both are equally important.
Reasons?
Huh?
Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude. I agree with you but just wondering what your reasoning is.
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »For weight loss? Nutrition is far more important. For fat loss and looking good? Both are equally important.
Reasons?
Huh?
Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude. I agree with you but just wondering what your reasoning is.
I'm sure what he meant was you lose weight with a caloric deficit. Your health and tightening of ones parts, come from the exercise.0 -
MeanderingMammal wrote: »But, playing devils advocate, for the best results should you still need to think about nutrition for recovery after training? And watch what you eat at other times as well? If so do you think you would spend more time and effort focusing on nutrition than you do training?
A question of emphasis, by eating to train it's the training that's the priority. The fuelling is in support. Equally it's about choices, so the thoughts about nutrient balance are pretty broad.
After a run of more than 10K I'll generally throw a recovery drink down my throat, but that's about it as far as specifics are concerned. Nothing like as anally retentive as the weights bunnies get.
Eat the calories, and everything is generally fine. If it's a run of more than 8-10 miles then it's worth eating beforehand. That's partly because my adaptation to endurance running isn't there yet, and partly psychological.
Thanks. Nutrition as support for training means training is the priority makes a lot of sense.
I've done a bit of running, and for me psychology is a huge factor (and also comes under training).
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »For weight loss? Nutrition is far more important. For fat loss and looking good? Both are equally important.
Reasons?
Huh?
Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude. I agree with you but just wondering what your reasoning is.
I'm sure what he meant was you lose weight with a caloric deficit. Your health and tightening of ones parts, come from the exercise.
But (devils advocate again) exercise can create a calorie deficit just as well as dieting can, and it will tighten up your bits at the same time... wouldn't training therefore be the better focus?
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You can't out exercise a bad diet. I'm sticking with nutrition.Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »For weight loss? Nutrition is far more important. For fat loss and looking good? Both are equally important.
Reasons?
Huh?
Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude. I agree with you but just wondering what your reasoning is.
I'm sure what he meant was you lose weight with a caloric deficit. Your health and tightening of ones parts, come from the exercise.
But (devils advocate again) exercise can create a calorie deficit just as well as dieting can, and it will tighten up your bits at the same time... wouldn't training therefore be the better focus?0 -
herrspoons wrote: »For weight loss? Nutrition is far more important. For fat loss and looking good? Both are equally important.
Reasons?
What do you mean reasons?
You can lose weight just by eating fewer calories than you burn - it's just a fact
adding in exercise goes someway to protect against loss of lean muscle as you lose weight; has emotional benefits; helps you eat more calories as you lose weight
Yeah, you can either take in fewer calories by eating less, or burn off more by exercising more. Either will result in a calorie deficit when done right (ideally you want both working together).
If training also has emotional benefits and protects muscle loss, is training more important than nutrition?
Or are the benefits from proper nutrition (vitamins etc.) more important than the ones you get from training?
Are they both equal?
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »
You can't out exercise a bad diet. I'm sticking with nutrition.Liftng4Lis wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »For weight loss? Nutrition is far more important. For fat loss and looking good? Both are equally important.
Reasons?
Huh?
Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude. I agree with you but just wondering what your reasoning is.
I'm sure what he meant was you lose weight with a caloric deficit. Your health and tightening of ones parts, come from the exercise.
But (devils advocate again) exercise can create a calorie deficit just as well as dieting can, and it will tighten up your bits at the same time... wouldn't training therefore be the better focus?
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But (devils advocate again) exercise can create a calorie deficit just as well as dieting can, and it will tighten up your bits at the same time... wouldn't training therefore be the better focus?
If the priority is weight loss, then the calorie deficit can be achieved thorugh intake control, one doesn't need to derive it from exercise, particularly as the way MFP is set up one should compensate for calories burned off.
As this is in the General Dieat and Weight Loss Forum, rather than Fitness and Exercise, the problem is woo rather than BroScience
so eating carbs under a full moon whilst standing on one leg could be considered a potential approach to minimising the weight gained from said carbs, similarly one should avoid oily fish after 1645 on a Thursday afternoon to avoid negating the last months worth of clean eating...
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