Im in WHEY over my head!!!
M00NPYE
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ok, just started NROLFW, I need a protein supplement, but I'm getting info from co-workers on "Undenatured" whey protein and say soy protein is not good? (these are sales guys also) Can someone simplify this for me please, and tell me as a woman that don't want to "bulk up" what to buy. please, and thank you.
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Find one you can stand to drink (alot taste really bad) and drink up
Soy isn't the best, try Normal whey unless your vegan or something. I LOVE the taste of Musashi N-Force 0 -
Find one you can stand to drink (alot taste really bad) and drink up
Soy isn't the best, try Normal whey unless your vegan or something. I LOVE the taste of Musashi N-Force
thanks, where can you buy it, how often do you drink it?0 -
Can't see your diary, but to confirm.... there is NO WAY for you to hit your protein goal for the day without supplementation, correct?
If so, i would say go with a hydrolyzed whey. Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard, dymatize, syntha 6, body fortress, whatever fits your macros and your budget. Protip- decide how you intend on consuming this protein BEFORE picking the flavor.
Are you going to mix it with water (maybe you'll be on the go), with milk (you'll always have access to milk?), with almond milk (you'll always have access to almond milk?), blended in a smoothie with each time, etc.
Nothing like THINKING that banana cream, coffee, toffee banana, strawberries n cream, oreo cookie, etc. will be AWESOME until all you have is water.
My suggestion... start off with chocolate. Kinda hard to mess that flavor up. Pretty good with any of the above.
Stay away from the soy protein. It has a lower BVI, increases estrogen, and if consumed in excessive amounts can be detremental to your thyroid.
forgot to mention; i prefer to order all of my stuff off of bodybuilding.com. They usually have better deals than retail stores, they give you free samples of other products, and if you spend enough you usually get to pick a free gift (shaker bottle, etc.).0 -
Why do you need one?
Most any whey or blended protein will be fine for most people. You can order them or get them from places like GNC and vitamin world. If you hvae any local fitness/lifting shops near you, they probably sell something.
To start, buy the smallest size you can. Some manufacturers make sample or single serving packets you can get to try something before buying 30+ servings of it.0 -
I'd like to start using a protein shake after my lifting, but being a vegetarian (lacto-ovo so I still have eggs and dairy, but limited amounts), I don't know which ones to have. If we should stay away from soy protein, does anyone know some good vegetarian protein powders?Stay away from the soy protein. It has a lower BVI, increases estrogen, and if consumed in excessive amounts can be detremental to your thyroid.
forgot to mention; i prefer to order all of my stuff off of bodybuilding.com. They usually have better deals than retail stores, they give you free samples of other products, and if you spend enough you usually get to pick a free gift (shaker bottle, etc.).0 -
Why do you need one?
...b/c I'm lifting now and my NROL4W book said so... LOL. Honestly IDK, I'm really trying to eat more protein so maybe that is enough for me?? hold on I will make it my diary public...0 -
Why do you need one?
...b/c I'm lifting now and my NROL4W book said so... LOL. Honestly IDK, I'm really trying to eat more protein so maybe that is enough for me?? hold on I will make it my diary public...
You only need it if you aren't getting enough protein from food.
I looked through the last week or so of your diary adn you seem to be averaging about 90g of protein per day. That's reasonable, a little more certainly wouldn't hurt but I wouldn't say it's necessary.0 -
Find one you can stand to drink (alot taste really bad) and drink up
Soy isn't the best, try Normal whey unless your vegan or something. I LOVE the taste of Musashi N-Force
thanks, where can you buy it, how often do you drink it?
No prob Well I'm not sure what country your in, but I'm in australia and I get it from some coles/woolworths and Priceline always has it (its a pharmacy!). I drink 1-2 per day, depending in my cal/energy/hunger levels. Usually one for breakfast and sometimes after training. I also microwave it with egg, flax, cinnamon, water, sometimes oatbran, stevia etc all mixed. Microwaved for a minute with frozen berries, it's a microwave "cake". Or just me being to lazy to out them in a pan for pancakes, and I can use the micro at work in a cointainer works great 0 -
I'd like to start using a protein shake after my lifting, but being a vegetarian (lacto-ovo so I still have eggs and dairy, but limited amounts), I don't know which ones to have. If we should stay away from soy protein, does anyone know some good vegetarian protein powders?Stay away from the soy protein. It has a lower BVI, increases estrogen, and if consumed in excessive amounts can be detremental to your thyroid.
forgot to mention; i prefer to order all of my stuff off of bodybuilding.com. They usually have better deals than retail stores, they give you free samples of other products, and if you spend enough you usually get to pick a free gift (shaker bottle, etc.).
Normal protein powder doesn't contain meat... Hence it's vegetarian.0 -
I'd like to start using a protein shake after my lifting, but being a vegetarian (lacto-ovo so I still have eggs and dairy, but limited amounts), I don't know which ones to have. If we should stay away from soy protein, does anyone know some good vegetarian protein powders?Stay away from the soy protein. It has a lower BVI, increases estrogen, and if consumed in excessive amounts can be detremental to your thyroid.
forgot to mention; i prefer to order all of my stuff off of bodybuilding.com. They usually have better deals than retail stores, they give you free samples of other products, and if you spend enough you usually get to pick a free gift (shaker bottle, etc.).
If I'm not mistaken, whey is a dairy protein, so you should be fine with that.0 -
I would suggest talking to a dietitian? People on here are going to give you a huge range for protein, and most of them have studies to back up their opinions, but you can find different studies saying anywhere from 70-200g per day. That's a huge range and hard to determine what's best for you.Why do you need one?
...b/c I'm lifting now and my NROL4W book said so... LOL. Honestly IDK, I'm really trying to eat more protein so maybe that is enough for me?? hold on I will make it my diary public...
Edited: I couldn't remember which had actual training and credentials between nutritionist or dietitian. It's the latter.0 -
Thanks for the reply, but protein supplements can contain animal products that I don't eat though (if it's taken from an animal by killing it). I was looking at protein bars in the store, and most of them contained "hydrolyzed collagen" (or something like that, I don't remember the exact ingredient name) which is from animals/animal skin, same for gelatin.
I'd like to start using a protein shake after my lifting, but being a vegetarian (lacto-ovo so I still have eggs and dairy, but limited amounts), I don't know which ones to have. If we should stay away from soy protein, does anyone know some good vegetarian protein powders?Stay away from the soy protein. It has a lower BVI, increases estrogen, and if consumed in excessive amounts can be detremental to your thyroid.
forgot to mention; i prefer to order all of my stuff off of bodybuilding.com. They usually have better deals than retail stores, they give you free samples of other products, and if you spend enough you usually get to pick a free gift (shaker bottle, etc.).
Normal protein powder doesn't contain meat... Hence it's vegetarian.
I'll probably just have to read the ingredients of anything if I want to try it.
ThanksIf I'm not mistaken, whey is a dairy protein, so you should be fine with that.0 -
I would suggest talking to a nutritionist? People on here are going to give you a huge range for protein, and most of them have studies to back up their opinions, but you can find different studies saying anywhere from 70-200g per day. That's a huge range and hard to determine what's best for you.Why do you need one?
...b/c I'm lifting now and my NROL4W book said so... LOL. Honestly IDK, I'm really trying to eat more protein so maybe that is enough for me?? hold on I will make it my diary public...
The range is different because the people are different. The advice is usually pretty consistent - 1g of protein per lb of lean body mass is the general recommendation.0 -
I was drinking whey for a while and thought it was tasty (I drank the chocolate kind mixed in soy or almond milk) and made meeting my protein goal easy. I did put on some muscle, but did not bulk up. But it made me constipated so I went back to getting protein from food, which I have to think about more.
I didn't try soy protein powder but I did start eating dry roasted edamame to up my protein so I suppose I did switch whey for soy protein. A lot of men think eating soy will give them man boobs, but that's just nonsense. Do you know how many men in the world eat soy as a dietary staple? My husband eats dry roasted edamame a lot too and he hasn't grown boobs yet (though I'm not sure he wouldn't think it a good thing if he did)0 -
Thanks! :flowerforyou:0
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Why do you need one?
...b/c I'm lifting now and my NROL4W book said so... LOL. Honestly IDK, I'm really trying to eat more protein so maybe that is enough for me?? hold on I will make it my diary public...
You only need it if you aren't getting enough protein from food.
I looked through the last week or so of your diary adn you seem to be averaging about 90g of protein per day. That's reasonable, a little more certainly wouldn't hurt but I wouldn't say it's necessary.
thank you!! I was considering spending a bunch of $ on "undenatured" whey protein....0 -
True. I've just seen a lot of ridiculous arguments in the forums over someone's intake. Someone will ask if they're getting enough (usually they're getting between 70-120g per day and/or in the 0.8-1g/lbLBM), and others just argue on for pages on end. :ohwell:
I would suggest talking to a nutritionist? People on here are going to give you a huge range for protein, and most of them have studies to back up their opinions, but you can find different studies saying anywhere from 70-200g per day. That's a huge range and hard to determine what's best for you.Why do you need one?
...b/c I'm lifting now and my NROL4W book said so... LOL. Honestly IDK, I'm really trying to eat more protein so maybe that is enough for me?? hold on I will make it my diary public...
The range is different because the people are different. The advice is usually pretty consistent - 1g of protein per lb of lean body mass is the general recommendation.
I agree.I looked through the last week or so of your diary adn you seem to be averaging about 90g of protein per day. That's reasonable, a little more certainly wouldn't hurt but I wouldn't say it's necessary.0 -
Thanks for the reply, but protein supplements can contain animal products that I don't eat though (if it's taken from an animal by killing it). I was looking at protein bars in the store, and most of them contained "hydrolyzed collagen" (or something like that, I don't remember the exact ingredient name) which is from animals/animal skin, same for gelatin.
I'd like to start using a protein shake after my lifting, but being a vegetarian (lacto-ovo so I still have eggs and dairy, but limited amounts), I don't know which ones to have. If we should stay away from soy protein, does anyone know some good vegetarian protein powders?Stay away from the soy protein. It has a lower BVI, increases estrogen, and if consumed in excessive amounts can be detremental to your thyroid.
forgot to mention; i prefer to order all of my stuff off of bodybuilding.com. They usually have better deals than retail stores, they give you free samples of other products, and if you spend enough you usually get to pick a free gift (shaker bottle, etc.).
Normal protein powder doesn't contain meat... Hence it's vegetarian.
I'll probably just have to read the ingredients of anything if I want to try it.
ThanksIf I'm not mistaken, whey is a dairy protein, so you should be fine with that.
Try Vega, it's a vegan brand.0 -
Thanks!
Thanks for the reply, but protein supplements can contain animal products that I don't eat though (if it's taken from an animal by killing it). I was looking at protein bars in the store, and most of them contained "hydrolyzed collagen" (or something like that, I don't remember the exact ingredient name) which is from animals/animal skin, same for gelatin.
I'd like to start using a protein shake after my lifting, but being a vegetarian (lacto-ovo so I still have eggs and dairy, but limited amounts), I don't know which ones to have. If we should stay away from soy protein, does anyone know some good vegetarian protein powders?Stay away from the soy protein. It has a lower BVI, increases estrogen, and if consumed in excessive amounts can be detremental to your thyroid.
forgot to mention; i prefer to order all of my stuff off of bodybuilding.com. They usually have better deals than retail stores, they give you free samples of other products, and if you spend enough you usually get to pick a free gift (shaker bottle, etc.).
Normal protein powder doesn't contain meat... Hence it's vegetarian.
I'll probably just have to read the ingredients of anything if I want to try it.
ThanksIf I'm not mistaken, whey is a dairy protein, so you should be fine with that.
Try Vega, it's a vegan brand.0 -
True. I've just seen a lot of ridiculous arguments in the forums over someone's intake. Someone will ask if they're getting enough (usually they're getting between 70-120g per day and/or in the 0.8-1g/lbLBM), and others just argue on for pages on end. :ohwell:
Some people just like to argue, even if they don't really know what they are arguing.0 -
Thanks for the reply, but protein supplements can contain animal products that I don't eat though (if it's taken from an animal by killing it). I was looking at protein bars in the store, and most of them contained "hydrolyzed collagen" (or something like that, I don't remember the exact ingredient name) which is from animals/animal skin, same for gelatin.
I'd like to start using a protein shake after my lifting, but being a vegetarian (lacto-ovo so I still have eggs and dairy, but limited amounts), I don't know which ones to have. If we should stay away from soy protein, does anyone know some good vegetarian protein powders?Stay away from the soy protein. It has a lower BVI, increases estrogen, and if consumed in excessive amounts can be detremental to your thyroid.
forgot to mention; i prefer to order all of my stuff off of bodybuilding.com. They usually have better deals than retail stores, they give you free samples of other products, and if you spend enough you usually get to pick a free gift (shaker bottle, etc.).
Normal protein powder doesn't contain meat... Hence it's vegetarian.
I'll probably just have to read the ingredients of anything if I want to try it.
ThanksIf I'm not mistaken, whey is a dairy protein, so you should be fine with that.
Oh ok, these are the ingridients if my protein, seems vegetarian?
Instantised Whey Protein Isolate (Milk, Soy Lecithin), Instantised Whey Protein Concentrate (Milk), Milk Solids (Soy), L-Glutamine, Cocoa Powder (2.5%) (Soy), Flavour (Milk), Vegetable Gum (415), Sweetener (955).0 -
I was drinking whey for a while and thought it was tasty (I drank the chocolate kind mixed in soy or almond milk) and made meeting my protein goal easy. I did put on some muscle, but did not bulk up. But it made me constipated so I went back to getting protein from food, which I have to think about more.
I didn't try soy protein powder but I did start eating dry roasted edamame to up my protein so I suppose I did switch whey for soy protein. A lot of men think eating soy will give them man boobs, but that's just nonsense. Do you know how many men in the world eat soy as a dietary staple? My husband eats dry roasted edamame a lot too and he hasn't grown boobs yet (though I'm not sure he wouldn't think it a good thing if he did)
*Imagines man growing boobs :laugh:0 -
Can't see your diary, but to confirm.... there is NO WAY for you to hit your protein goal for the day without supplementation, correct?
If so, i would say go with a hydrolyzed whey. Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard, dymatize, syntha 6, body fortress, whatever fits your macros and your budget. Protip- decide how you intend on consuming this protein BEFORE picking the flavor.
Are you going to mix it with water (maybe you'll be on the go), with milk (you'll always have access to milk?), with almond milk (you'll always have access to almond milk?), blended in a smoothie with each time, etc.
Nothing like THINKING that banana cream, coffee, toffee banana, strawberries n cream, oreo cookie, etc. will be AWESOME until all you have is water.
My suggestion... start off with chocolate. Kinda hard to mess that flavor up. Pretty good with any of the above.
Stay away from the soy protein. It has a lower BVI, increases estrogen, and if consumed in excessive amounts can be detremental to your thyroid.
forgot to mention; i prefer to order all of my stuff off of bodybuilding.com. They usually have better deals than retail stores, they give you free samples of other products, and if you spend enough you usually get to pick a free gift (shaker bottle, etc.).
What should be my protein goal if I lift weights 2 days a week, cardio 3 days/wk, goal to loose fat/weight? Currently at 1500 cal per day + exercise calories.0 -
:laugh: True.True. I've just seen a lot of ridiculous arguments in the forums over someone's intake. Someone will ask if they're getting enough (usually they're getting between 70-120g per day and/or in the 0.8-1g/lbLBM), and others just argue on for pages on end. :ohwell:
Some people just like to argue, even if they don't really know what they are arguing.
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Sounds like it. Thanks!
Thanks for the reply, but protein supplements can contain animal products that I don't eat though (if it's taken from an animal by killing it). I was looking at protein bars in the store, and most of them contained "hydrolyzed collagen" (or something like that, I don't remember the exact ingredient name) which is from animals/animal skin, same for gelatin.
I'd like to start using a protein shake after my lifting, but being a vegetarian (lacto-ovo so I still have eggs and dairy, but limited amounts), I don't know which ones to have. If we should stay away from soy protein, does anyone know some good vegetarian protein powders?Stay away from the soy protein. It has a lower BVI, increases estrogen, and if consumed in excessive amounts can be detremental to your thyroid.
forgot to mention; i prefer to order all of my stuff off of bodybuilding.com. They usually have better deals than retail stores, they give you free samples of other products, and if you spend enough you usually get to pick a free gift (shaker bottle, etc.).
Normal protein powder doesn't contain meat... Hence it's vegetarian.
I'll probably just have to read the ingredients of anything if I want to try it.
ThanksIf I'm not mistaken, whey is a dairy protein, so you should be fine with that.
Oh ok, these are the ingridients if my protein, seems vegetarian?
Instantised Whey Protein Isolate (Milk, Soy Lecithin), Instantised Whey Protein Concentrate (Milk), Milk Solids (Soy), L-Glutamine, Cocoa Powder (2.5%) (Soy), Flavour (Milk), Vegetable Gum (415), Sweetener (955).0 -
Can't see your diary, but to confirm.... there is NO WAY for you to hit your protein goal for the day without supplementation, correct?
If so, i would say go with a hydrolyzed whey. Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard, dymatize, syntha 6, body fortress, whatever fits your macros and your budget. Protip- decide how you intend on consuming this protein BEFORE picking the flavor.
Are you going to mix it with water (maybe you'll be on the go), with milk (you'll always have access to milk?), with almond milk (you'll always have access to almond milk?), blended in a smoothie with each time, etc.
Nothing like THINKING that banana cream, coffee, toffee banana, strawberries n cream, oreo cookie, etc. will be AWESOME until all you have is water.
My suggestion... start off with chocolate. Kinda hard to mess that flavor up. Pretty good with any of the above.
Stay away from the soy protein. It has a lower BVI, increases estrogen, and if consumed in excessive amounts can be detremental to your thyroid.
forgot to mention; i prefer to order all of my stuff off of bodybuilding.com. They usually have better deals than retail stores, they give you free samples of other products, and if you spend enough you usually get to pick a free gift (shaker bottle, etc.).
What should be my protein goal if I lift weights 2 days a week, cardio 3 days/wk, goal to loose fat/weight? Currently at 1500 cal per day + exercise calories.
Do you have any idea what your lean body mass is? Total body weight - fat weight (from body fat %)? 1g of protein per lb of lean body mass is the baseline. If you don't know your LBM, then you can estimate by using .5g-.8g per lb of total body weight depending on how lean you are.0 -
I would suggest talking to a nutritionist? People on here are going to give you a huge range for protein, and most of them have studies to back up their opinions, but you can find different studies saying anywhere from 70-200g per day. That's a huge range and hard to determine what's best for you.Why do you need one?
...b/c I'm lifting now and my NROL4W book said so... LOL. Honestly IDK, I'm really trying to eat more protein so maybe that is enough for me?? hold on I will make it my diary public...
The range is different because the people are different. The advice is usually pretty consistent - 1g of protein per lb of lean body mass is the general recommendation.
Ok... so, how do I f... im slow. lol0 -
Looking for something that mixes and tastes okay with water? I like Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard Double Rich Chocolate:
http://www.amazon.com/health-personal-care/dp/B000QSNYGI
Tastes fine, price isn't too bad. I try to hit my protein goal of 130g from food, but fill in the gap with powder after lifting.
I once had a sample of a vegan pea protein powder that was utterly undrinkable.0 -
If you don't know how to calculate LBM, jacksonpt has good advice. "Total body weight - fat weight (from body fat %)"
I would suggest talking to a nutritionist? People on here are going to give you a huge range for protein, and most of them have studies to back up their opinions, but you can find different studies saying anywhere from 70-200g per day. That's a huge range and hard to determine what's best for you.Why do you need one?
...b/c I'm lifting now and my NROL4W book said so... LOL. Honestly IDK, I'm really trying to eat more protein so maybe that is enough for me?? hold on I will make it my diary public...
The range is different because the people are different. The advice is usually pretty consistent - 1g of protein per lb of lean body mass is the general recommendation.
Ok... so, how do I f... im slow. lol0 -
Can't see your diary, but to confirm.... there is NO WAY for you to hit your protein goal for the day without supplementation, correct?
If so, i would say go with a hydrolyzed whey. Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard, dymatize, syntha 6, body fortress, whatever fits your macros and your budget. Protip- decide how you intend on consuming this protein BEFORE picking the flavor.
Are you going to mix it with water (maybe you'll be on the go), with milk (you'll always have access to milk?), with almond milk (you'll always have access to almond milk?), blended in a smoothie with each time, etc.
Nothing like THINKING that banana cream, coffee, toffee banana, strawberries n cream, oreo cookie, etc. will be AWESOME until all you have is water.
My suggestion... start off with chocolate. Kinda hard to mess that flavor up. Pretty good with any of the above.
Stay away from the soy protein. It has a lower BVI, increases estrogen, and if consumed in excessive amounts can be detremental to your thyroid.
forgot to mention; i prefer to order all of my stuff off of bodybuilding.com. They usually have better deals than retail stores, they give you free samples of other products, and if you spend enough you usually get to pick a free gift (shaker bottle, etc.).
What should be my protein goal if I lift weights 2 days a week, cardio 3 days/wk, goal to loose fat/weight? Currently at 1500 cal per day + exercise calories.
Do you have any idea what your lean body mass is? Total body weight - fat weight (from body fat %)? 1g of protein per lb of lean body mass is the baseline. If you don't know your LBM, then you can estimate by using .5g-.8g per lb of total body weight depending on how lean you are.
125g...? from my calculations... basically what I should weigh based on my height?0
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