Calories unknown for local restaurants, advice on how to count these calories?

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  • GiveMeCoffee
    GiveMeCoffee Posts: 3,556 Member
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    Damn that all looks good!!

    OP pick something similar in the database, it won't be real accurate but will give you a reminder later on if the scale jumps up a bit later in the week.
    Seriously, you have a problem if you're looking to lose weight. Start by avoiding the foods in the photos.

    Now for this person you have a problem if you can't figure out how to include delicious food in an otherwise well balanced diet and enjoy them fully.

    I've lost over 120 lbs and I've eaten lots of fried foods, ice cream, chocolate covered bacon and many other delicious things. So go away with your demonizing of food!
  • Paul_Collyer
    Paul_Collyer Posts: 160 Member
    edited December 2014
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    Well, given a choice between a high fat treat and a high sugar one I'd take the former, at least in terms of health. While I agree overall calorie consumption is a reliable weight loss/gain method you will see plenty of people losing weight from a non calorie based high fat diet but very few from a high sugar one.

    I've also lost far quicker this autumn since cutting sugar and increasing fat. Anecdotal but fits with the overall picture being formed in recent years, that sugar is the biggest cause of the rise in obesity.

  • VeryKatie
    VeryKatie Posts: 5,953 Member
    edited December 2014
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    snowbunny711 wrote: »
    like the basket of fries would be 500 cals maybe? the crepe 600? and the monte cristo is maybe 1200?

    Hahahahaha uuuuh no. Fries probably more like 1000, crepe probably around 1500. The monte cristo is only half a sandwich? So maybe 400-500? But I recommend just searching it in the database :| remember to add all the oils too - butter, deep fry oil, etc.

    ETA: Oh I see the other half of the monte cristo now. Without the fries you're probably looking at more than I said. But I don't actually know what's in that sandwich.
  • hoktauri
    hoktauri Posts: 24 Member
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    Looking at some bagged sweet potato fries a serving is 18 @ 150 calories, I'd guesstimate that would be about 600-700 calories.
  • asdowe13
    asdowe13 Posts: 1,951 Member
    edited December 2014
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    Paul_Collyer wrote: »
    Well, given a choice between a high fat treat and a high sugar one I'd take the former, at least in terms of health. While I agree overall calorie consumption is a reliable weight loss/gain method you will see plenty of people losing weight from a non calorie based high fat diet but very few from a high sugar one.

    I've also lost far quicker this autumn since cutting sugar and increasing fat. Anecdotal but fits with the overall picture being formed in recent years, that sugar is the biggest cause of the rise in obesity.

    Sugar is only the biggest cause because it tends to be paired with fat into baked goods, and most have no sense of control when it comes to cookies and cake and fudge and. So we tend to overeat them.

    Also not one person has stated that one should eat a diet based on high sugar.

    You need to look at overall diet.
    If i meet my macros and micros and have calories left over eating a high sugar option isn't going to hurt (pending medical issues)
    I don't get extra healthy from more fats/proteins than my body requires.
  • GiveMeCoffee
    GiveMeCoffee Posts: 3,556 Member
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    Paul_Collyer wrote: »
    Well, given a choice between a high fat treat and a high sugar one I'd take the former, at least in terms of health. While I agree overall calorie consumption is a reliable weight loss/gain method you will see plenty of people losing weight from a non calorie based high fat diet but very few from a high sugar one.

    I've also lost far quicker this autumn since cutting sugar and increasing fat. Anecdotal but fits with the overall picture being formed in recent years, that sugar is the biggest cause of the rise in obesity.

    No the biggest cause of obesity is we are lazy and we eat too much of everything.

    I have lost just fine and have improved all health markers by eating at a deficit, and watching overall macros.
  • asdowe13
    asdowe13 Posts: 1,951 Member
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    snowbunny711 wrote: »
    SweatLikeDog wrote: »
    Seriously, you have a problem if you're looking to lose weight. Start by avoiding the foods in the photos.

    oh no this is not just for one day lol its over a two week period like going skiing for the day and having a basket of fries for dinner? its for vacation

    Your going skiing? and plan to eat this on ski days?

    Who cares, eat all the food. What you burn will most likely make up for what you eat.

    I know on a good ski day, on a decent Hill I can eat close to 6k in calories to maintain.
  • Paul_Collyer
    Paul_Collyer Posts: 160 Member
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    adowe wrote: »
    Paul_Collyer wrote: »
    Well, given a choice between a high fat treat and a high sugar one I'd take the former, at least in terms of health. While I agree overall calorie consumption is a reliable weight loss/gain method you will see plenty of people losing weight from a non calorie based high fat diet but very few from a high sugar one.

    I've also lost far quicker this autumn since cutting sugar and increasing fat. Anecdotal but fits with the overall picture being formed in recent years, that sugar is the biggest cause of the rise in obesity.

    Sugar is only the biggest cause because it tends to be paired with fat into baked goods, and most have no sense of control when it comes to cookies and cake and fudge and. So we tend to overeat them.

    Also not one person has stated that one should eat a diet based on high sugar.

    You need to look at overall diet.
    If i meet my macros and micros and have calories left over eating a high sugar option isn't going to hurt (pending medical issues)
    I don't get extra healthy from more fats/proteins than my body requires.

    Fair point on the combination of sugar and fat - its undoubtedly a bad combination.

    In my case I find it easier these days to remain on the right side of my calorie count by upping fat intake and reducing carb, albeit not that dramatically. I think sugar for some people tends to be a little like alcohol - empty calories that can instigate hunger to eat more than we should.

    And you hear of plenty of folks losing weight from high fat diets without worrying about calories, but no-one in their right mind would try to do same with a high sugar diet.
  • asdowe13
    asdowe13 Posts: 1,951 Member
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    Paul_Collyer wrote: »
    adowe wrote: »
    Paul_Collyer wrote: »
    Well, given a choice between a high fat treat and a high sugar one I'd take the former, at least in terms of health. While I agree overall calorie consumption is a reliable weight loss/gain method you will see plenty of people losing weight from a non calorie based high fat diet but very few from a high sugar one.

    I've also lost far quicker this autumn since cutting sugar and increasing fat. Anecdotal but fits with the overall picture being formed in recent years, that sugar is the biggest cause of the rise in obesity.

    Sugar is only the biggest cause because it tends to be paired with fat into baked goods, and most have no sense of control when it comes to cookies and cake and fudge and. So we tend to overeat them.

    Also not one person has stated that one should eat a diet based on high sugar.

    You need to look at overall diet.
    If i meet my macros and micros and have calories left over eating a high sugar option isn't going to hurt (pending medical issues)
    I don't get extra healthy from more fats/proteins than my body requires.

    Fair point on the combination of sugar and fat - its undoubtedly a bad combination.

    In my case I find it easier these days to remain on the right side of my calorie count by upping fat intake and reducing carb, albeit not that dramatically. I think sugar for some people tends to be a little like alcohol - empty calories that can instigate hunger to eat more than we should.

    And you hear of plenty of folks losing weight from high fat diets without worrying about calories, but no-one in their right mind would try to do same with a high sugar diet.

    Only way to lose weight is a caloric deficit - Wish i could do that without counting. But Alas I must count.

    All diets have us restrict something. I choose to restrict a little bit of everything.
    Others choose to restrict carbs.

    You gotta do what works for you and gets you into a deficit.
  • ahoier
    ahoier Posts: 312 Member
    edited December 2014
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    honestly......you're on vacation! quit mfp for the time you are there! Else....yea, like others said, it's good to indulge every so often! You deserve it.

    Now for my sources:
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/5-ways-cheat-meals-can-improve-your-body.html
    http://www.crossfitrainer.com/2012/11/why-cheat-meals-are-good-for-your.html
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/542505-the-art-and-science-of-cheat-meals/
    http://www.muscleandfitness.com/nutrition/lose-fat/treat-sheet
    http://www.rxmuscle.com/rx-girl-articles/5751-the-science-behind-cheat-meals.html
    http://www.improveyouworkout.com/science-behind-cheat-meal/
    http://q.equinox.com/articles/2014/01/cheat-day


    Read up: Knowledge is power!

    BTW, my typical cheat meal, is a buffet.....so I'll goto dinner around 4 p.m.....get done around 5 or so......I then start a fast. In which I do not consume any food until the next morning/afternoon.....water is obviously OK...you're body is gonna go crazy into a sorta "detox" mode......you're skin will probably start to be real dry, especially if you've eaten a lot of bread, or fried items.....but definitely watch your water consumption. Aim for half your body weight, in fluid ounces of water...and, may be a wise idea to order water with your meal......add lemon if they have it; and you like that ;)

    This is considered "intermittent fasting" - on these days, I typically dont get my first solid food until about 5-8 a.m....now that may seem like starvation.....going 12+ hours without solid foods! but you aren't gonna want to eat anything anyways, after over-indulging on all of that unhealthy food :open_mouth:

    another suggestion....to aide your digestion, may not be a bad idea to pick up some aloe vera juice for the days past.....take 8 ounces daily, for the days following the cheat meal. I personally take aloe vera daily, prior to breakfast. It has a weird taste at first, but you get used to it, helps the digestive tract...
  • Roxiegirl2008
    Roxiegirl2008 Posts: 756 Member
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    I will look to see if the place has a nutrition listing on their website. I may not be completely correct but I will give me a good idea of what I need to create a new food. If they don't have one or if we choose to go to a different place I just put in the food item in the search and choose the one that is the highest one listed and go from there.
  • Francl27
    Francl27 Posts: 26,371 Member
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    Oooh food porn!
  • middlehaitch
    middlehaitch Posts: 8,487 Member
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    Just ball park the calories, a few days going over, if you do, won't harm your long term goals.

    A word of warning: I haven't splurged on deep fried food for about a year, lost the taste for it, and decided to have a plateful of chicken wings, onion rings, and fries at a party this weekend. They went through me so fast I almost didn't bother counting the calories. My body wasn't used to so much fat in one sitting and rebelled.

    Moral of the story: be aware there may be unforeseen consequences if you have not eaten too much fatty foods recently.

    Cheers, h.
  • flabassmcgee
    flabassmcgee Posts: 659 Member
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    Where can I find a recipe for that sammich?? Cap'n Crunch dust?? Sign me UP.
  • PearlAng
    PearlAng Posts: 681 Member
    edited December 2014
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    Looks great! And have others have stated, I too believe that life and food should be enjoyed.

    Either way, I have two jobs---I work in a bakery and also a deli/sandwich shop. Neither are chains, and everything is home made. So when estimating calories for places like this, I usually get a number in my head and search for the home made version in the database (ie chicken salad) and then try to size the portion until I think the calories are accurate. I tend to overestimate a bit too, just in case. Then I add the foods that I know for sure (ie two slices of Ginsburg rye bread) and that's how I'll log my lunch
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,867 Member
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    Actually, stuff like that is perfect for a ski day. I've guestimated my TDEE for a typical day on the slopes is around 6,000 calories...not going to hit that sucking on celery sticks.

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