Partially hydrogenated oils....WTF!!!!!

Dori_Gaga

So I've doing some reading on partially hydrogenated oils. So far what I have read is that ANY oil that has been hydrogenized in any way is pretty much the worst thing a person can eat. Plus all partially hydrogenated oil =trans fat. Fine so I just won't buy foods that have trans fat, no big deal. Right? Well here's the kicker, even if the lable on the box says 0 trans fat that doesn't mean it's completely trans fat free. The reason being is that the USDA says as long as something is .5 or less per serving it doesn't have to be listed.
You can know if a food has trans fat by reading the ingredients on the box. If it says partially hydrogenated oil, of any kind, then it has trans fat. It may only be trace amounts per serving, but if you eat more then a serving then it adds up.
When I went grocery shopping this morning I was angry and astounded at how many pkged foods have partially hydrogenated oil in them. Several of these foods I buy on a regular basis, INCLUDING, Flintstone vitamins ( threw an almost full bottle in the trash when I found out ) and El Paso refried beans. I am very angry because I've been under the assumption that many of the things I have been buying were at least somewhat healthy. From now on I will be checking everything that I put in my shopping cart.
And what makes me more angry is that the food industries can and are getting away with this, not to mention all the other garbage thats being put into our food. It's one thing for a person to not care about what they eat and eat whatever they want , but when a person is trying to eat healthy and make sure their children are eating healthy as well, it's almost impossible when the food industry is hiding the poison and advertising it as healthy.

If anyone does not know the health dangers of trans fat and partially hydrogenated oils, please look it up. It will certainly change your mind about what you buy and what you eat.

Stay away from grass fed beef too, higher in trans fats than grain fed beef

I believe you have that backwards. You want to go for grass-fed beef. Cows naturally eat grass, eating grains is unnatural, and it makes them sick, which is part of the reason they preemptively pump them full of antibiotics (that, and to stop them from getting sick in the overcrowded populations of factory farms).

Grass-fed beef that is raised naturally with no antibiotics or growth hormone is ideal, but that's not cost effective for the food industry. It takes four years to raise a beef cow, but with growth hormone they can do it in 6 months, which results in a bigger, fattier cow, and leads to the beef-eaters gaining weight, and developing illnesses and early puberty in kids due to the hormones, and also antibiotic resistance due to ingesting antibiotics in the meat.

If nothing else, get organic meat. It costs more, but when you weigh that against the costs of illness and obesity, it's worth it.

Acg67

So I've doing some reading on partially hydrogenated oils. So far what I have read is that ANY oil that has been hydrogenized in any way is pretty much the worst thing a person can eat. Plus all partially hydrogenated oil =trans fat. Fine so I just won't buy foods that have trans fat, no big deal. Right? Well here's the kicker, even if the lable on the box says 0 trans fat that doesn't mean it's completely trans fat free. The reason being is that the USDA says as long as something is .5 or less per serving it doesn't have to be listed.
You can know if a food has trans fat by reading the ingredients on the box. If it says partially hydrogenated oil, of any kind, then it has trans fat. It may only be trace amounts per serving, but if you eat more then a serving then it adds up.
When I went grocery shopping this morning I was angry and astounded at how many pkged foods have partially hydrogenated oil in them. Several of these foods I buy on a regular basis, INCLUDING, Flintstone vitamins ( threw an almost full bottle in the trash when I found out ) and El Paso refried beans. I am very angry because I've been under the assumption that many of the things I have been buying were at least somewhat healthy. From now on I will be checking everything that I put in my shopping cart.
And what makes me more angry is that the food industries can and are getting away with this, not to mention all the other garbage thats being put into our food. It's one thing for a person to not care about what they eat and eat whatever they want , but when a person is trying to eat healthy and make sure their children are eating healthy as well, it's almost impossible when the food industry is hiding the poison and advertising it as healthy.

If anyone does not know the health dangers of trans fat and partially hydrogenated oils, please look it up. It will certainly change your mind about what you buy and what you eat.

Stay away from grass fed beef too, higher in trans fats than grain fed beef

I believe you have that backwards. You want to go for grass-fed beef. Cows naturally eat grass, eating grains is unnatural, and it makes them sick, which is part of the reason they preemptively pump them full of antibiotics (that, and to stop them from getting sick in the overcrowded populations of factory farms).

Grass-fed beef that is raised naturally with no antibiotics or growth hormone is ideal, but that's not cost effective for the food industry. It takes four years to raise a beef cow, but with growth hormone they can do it in 6 months, which results in a bigger, fattier cow, and leads to the beef-eaters gaining weight, and developing illnesses and early puberty in kids due to the hormones, and also antibiotic resistance due to ingesting antibiotics in the meat.

If nothing else, get organic meat. It costs more, but when you weigh that against the costs of illness and obesity, it's worth it.

Please make up your mind, if you want all trans fats to be banned, i'm unsure why you would say grass fed beef is better, as it is higher in trans fats

magerum

In for ludicrous medical claims

Carnivor0us

So I've doing some reading on partially hydrogenated oils. So far what I have read is that ANY oil that has been hydrogenized in any way is pretty much the worst thing a person can eat. Plus all partially hydrogenated oil =trans fat. Fine so I just won't buy foods that have trans fat, no big deal. Right? Well here's the kicker, even if the lable on the box says 0 trans fat that doesn't mean it's completely trans fat free. The reason being is that the USDA says as long as something is .5 or less per serving it doesn't have to be listed.
You can know if a food has trans fat by reading the ingredients on the box. If it says partially hydrogenated oil, of any kind, then it has trans fat. It may only be trace amounts per serving, but if you eat more then a serving then it adds up.
When I went grocery shopping this morning I was angry and astounded at how many pkged foods have partially hydrogenated oil in them. Several of these foods I buy on a regular basis, INCLUDING, Flintstone vitamins ( threw an almost full bottle in the trash when I found out ) and El Paso refried beans. I am very angry because I've been under the assumption that many of the things I have been buying were at least somewhat healthy. From now on I will be checking everything that I put in my shopping cart.
And what makes me more angry is that the food industries can and are getting away with this, not to mention all the other garbage thats being put into our food. It's one thing for a person to not care about what they eat and eat whatever they want , but when a person is trying to eat healthy and make sure their children are eating healthy as well, it's almost impossible when the food industry is hiding the poison and advertising it as healthy.

If anyone does not know the health dangers of trans fat and partially hydrogenated oils, please look it up. It will certainly change your mind about what you buy and what you eat.

Stay away from grass fed beef too, higher in trans fats than grain fed beef

I believe you have that backwards. You want to go for grass-fed beef. Cows naturally eat grass, eating grains is unnatural, and it makes them sick, which is part of the reason they preemptively pump them full of antibiotics (that, and to stop them from getting sick in the overcrowded populations of factory farms).

Grass-fed beef that is raised naturally with no antibiotics or growth hormone is ideal, but that's not cost effective for the food industry. It takes four years to raise a beef cow, but with growth hormone they can do it in 6 months, which results in a bigger, fattier cow, and leads to the beef-eaters gaining weight, and developing illnesses and early puberty in kids due to the hormones, and also antibiotic resistance due to ingesting antibiotics in the meat.

If nothing else, get organic meat. It costs more, but when you weigh that against the costs of illness and obesity, it's worth it.

Please make up your mind, if you want all trans fats to be banned, i'm unsure why you would say grass fed beef is better, as it is higher in trans fats

Silly, those are naturally occurring!

Dori_Gaga

So I've doing some reading on partially hydrogenated oils. So far what I have read is that ANY oil that has been hydrogenized in any way is pretty much the worst thing a person can eat. Plus all partially hydrogenated oil =trans fat. Fine so I just won't buy foods that have trans fat, no big deal. Right? Well here's the kicker, even if the lable on the box says 0 trans fat that doesn't mean it's completely trans fat free. The reason being is that the USDA says as long as something is .5 or less per serving it doesn't have to be listed.
You can know if a food has trans fat by reading the ingredients on the box. If it says partially hydrogenated oil, of any kind, then it has trans fat. It may only be trace amounts per serving, but if you eat more then a serving then it adds up.
When I went grocery shopping this morning I was angry and astounded at how many pkged foods have partially hydrogenated oil in them. Several of these foods I buy on a regular basis, INCLUDING, Flintstone vitamins ( threw an almost full bottle in the trash when I found out ) and El Paso refried beans. I am very angry because I've been under the assumption that many of the things I have been buying were at least somewhat healthy. From now on I will be checking everything that I put in my shopping cart.
And what makes me more angry is that the food industries can and are getting away with this, not to mention all the other garbage thats being put into our food. It's one thing for a person to not care about what they eat and eat whatever they want , but when a person is trying to eat healthy and make sure their children are eating healthy as well, it's almost impossible when the food industry is hiding the poison and advertising it as healthy.

If anyone does not know the health dangers of trans fat and partially hydrogenated oils, please look it up. It will certainly change your mind about what you buy and what you eat.

Stay away from grass fed beef too, higher in trans fats than grain fed beef

I believe you have that backwards. You want to go for grass-fed beef. Cows naturally eat grass, eating grains is unnatural, and it makes them sick, which is part of the reason they preemptively pump them full of antibiotics (that, and to stop them from getting sick in the overcrowded populations of factory farms).

Grass-fed beef that is raised naturally with no antibiotics or growth hormone is ideal, but that's not cost effective for the food industry. It takes four years to raise a beef cow, but with growth hormone they can do it in 6 months, which results in a bigger, fattier cow, and leads to the beef-eaters gaining weight, and developing illnesses and early puberty in kids due to the hormones, and also antibiotic resistance due to ingesting antibiotics in the meat.

If nothing else, get organic meat. It costs more, but when you weigh that against the costs of illness and obesity, it's worth it.

Please make up your mind, if you want all trans fats to be banned, i'm unsure why you would say grass fed beef is better, as it is higher in trans fats

They want to ban artificial transfats, like the stuff in margarine. I guess I should have been more specific. Most people when they talk about transfats are talking about things like hydrogenated oils and things that are modified and manufactured. Transfat in beef that is raised naturally is not going to hurt people. Eating food that is one molecule away from plastic is not so good for people.

I will take the transfat in grass-fed beef over the hormones and antibiotics in grain fed beef, and I will take butter over margarine because I like to eat real food, not artificial crap that is manufactured in factories.

magerum

Link to a post I made late last week. I'm sure it's TL:DR for most.

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/998983-misconceptions-of-organic-food-s

http://rameznaam.com/2013/04/28/the-evidence-on-gmo-safety/

"A Scientific Consensus

All together, the scientific consensus around the safety of genetically modified foods is as strong as the scientific consensus around climate change. These foods have been studied more than any other, and everything tells us that they’re safe."

jwdieter

Please make up your mind, if you want all trans fats to be banned, i'm unsure why you would say grass fed beef is better, as it is higher in trans fats

This says grain feeding increases trans fat: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16500874

TLWallperson

Next up on your reading list...GMOs. And Monsanto.

Our food industry does NOT have our best interests in mind!!

I will look these up also. Thanks for that info. However, if I keep reading about all the poisons in our food I may just turn Amish...lol.

And another paranoid nutrition zealot was born.

So, to you this is paranoia because I want my family and myself to live a healthy life style and I'm finding it difficult because the pkged food I thought was healthy, because it's advertised as healthy with 0 trans fat is actually not. Who would have ever thought that childrens vitamins would have trans fat in them?
The fact of the matter is, most people, including myself until recently, believe what it says on the front of the box and on the nutrition lable. Not to mention, again most people aren't looking at the nutrition content as much as looking at the price. My family along with many others CAN NOT always afford the healthiest choices even if we want to buy them. Which P!SSES me off to no end that our government, our FISRT LADY is spouting about the obesity epidemic in our country and trying to condemn families that have obese children, yet, say NOTHING about the high cost of healthy/organic food.
SHAME ON YOU for your petty comment about my concerns for my family.

Acg67

So I've doing some reading on partially hydrogenated oils. So far what I have read is that ANY oil that has been hydrogenized in any way is pretty much the worst thing a person can eat. Plus all partially hydrogenated oil =trans fat. Fine so I just won't buy foods that have trans fat, no big deal. Right? Well here's the kicker, even if the lable on the box says 0 trans fat that doesn't mean it's completely trans fat free. The reason being is that the USDA says as long as something is .5 or less per serving it doesn't have to be listed.
You can know if a food has trans fat by reading the ingredients on the box. If it says partially hydrogenated oil, of any kind, then it has trans fat. It may only be trace amounts per serving, but if you eat more then a serving then it adds up.
When I went grocery shopping this morning I was angry and astounded at how many pkged foods have partially hydrogenated oil in them. Several of these foods I buy on a regular basis, INCLUDING, Flintstone vitamins ( threw an almost full bottle in the trash when I found out ) and El Paso refried beans. I am very angry because I've been under the assumption that many of the things I have been buying were at least somewhat healthy. From now on I will be checking everything that I put in my shopping cart.
And what makes me more angry is that the food industries can and are getting away with this, not to mention all the other garbage thats being put into our food. It's one thing for a person to not care about what they eat and eat whatever they want , but when a person is trying to eat healthy and make sure their children are eating healthy as well, it's almost impossible when the food industry is hiding the poison and advertising it as healthy.

If anyone does not know the health dangers of trans fat and partially hydrogenated oils, please look it up. It will certainly change your mind about what you buy and what you eat.

Stay away from grass fed beef too, higher in trans fats than grain fed beef

I believe you have that backwards. You want to go for grass-fed beef. Cows naturally eat grass, eating grains is unnatural, and it makes them sick, which is part of the reason they preemptively pump them full of antibiotics (that, and to stop them from getting sick in the overcrowded populations of factory farms).

Grass-fed beef that is raised naturally with no antibiotics or growth hormone is ideal, but that's not cost effective for the food industry. It takes four years to raise a beef cow, but with growth hormone they can do it in 6 months, which results in a bigger, fattier cow, and leads to the beef-eaters gaining weight, and developing illnesses and early puberty in kids due to the hormones, and also antibiotic resistance due to ingesting antibiotics in the meat.

If nothing else, get organic meat. It costs more, but when you weigh that against the costs of illness and obesity, it's worth it.

Please make up your mind, if you want all trans fats to be banned, i'm unsure why you would say grass fed beef is better, as it is higher in trans fats

They want to ban artificial transfats, like the stuff in margarine. I guess I should have been more specific. Most people when they talk about transfats are talking about things like hydrogenated oils and things that are modified and manufactured. Transfat in beef that is raised naturally is not going to hurt people. Eating food that is one molecule away from plastic is not so good for people.

I will take the transfat in grass-fed beef over the hormones and antibiotics in grain fed beef, and I will take butter over margarine because I like to eat real food, not artificial crap that is manufactured in factories.

What about ingesting something that is one molecule away from explosive gas? Is that good or bad?

So you were fear mongering when talking about all trans fats being bad?

Dori_Gaga

Link to a post I made late last week. I'm sure it's TL:DR for most.

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/998983-misconceptions-of-organic-food-s

http://rameznaam.com/2013/04/28/the-evidence-on-gmo-safety/

"A Scientific Consensus

All together, the scientific consensus around the safety of genetically modified foods is as strong as the scientific consensus around climate change. These foods have been studied more than any other, and everything tells us that they’re safe."

I didn't read it, but does it say who funded the study by any chance? Food and beverage companies fund most of the studies that, not surprisingly, deem their product as safe.

Dori_Gaga

Please make up your mind, if you want all trans fats to be banned, i'm unsure why you would say grass fed beef is better, as it is higher in trans fats

This says grain feeding increases trans fat: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16500874

Yes, that's right. The post saying grass fed beef has higher transfat was incorrect.

Carnivor0us

Link to a post I made late last week. I'm sure it's TL:DR for most.

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/998983-misconceptions-of-organic-food-s

http://rameznaam.com/2013/04/28/the-evidence-on-gmo-safety/

"A Scientific Consensus

All together, the scientific consensus around the safety of genetically modified foods is as strong as the scientific consensus around climate change. These foods have been studied more than any other, and everything tells us that they’re safe."

I didn't read it, but does it say who funded the study by any chance? Food and beverage companies fund most of the studies that, not surprisingly, deem their product as safe.

Maybe you should take a peek at it to find out...?

Dori_Gaga

So I've doing some reading on partially hydrogenated oils. So far what I have read is that ANY oil that has been hydrogenized in any way is pretty much the worst thing a person can eat. Plus all partially hydrogenated oil =trans fat. Fine so I just won't buy foods that have trans fat, no big deal. Right? Well here's the kicker, even if the lable on the box says 0 trans fat that doesn't mean it's completely trans fat free. The reason being is that the USDA says as long as something is .5 or less per serving it doesn't have to be listed.
You can know if a food has trans fat by reading the ingredients on the box. If it says partially hydrogenated oil, of any kind, then it has trans fat. It may only be trace amounts per serving, but if you eat more then a serving then it adds up.
When I went grocery shopping this morning I was angry and astounded at how many pkged foods have partially hydrogenated oil in them. Several of these foods I buy on a regular basis, INCLUDING, Flintstone vitamins ( threw an almost full bottle in the trash when I found out ) and El Paso refried beans. I am very angry because I've been under the assumption that many of the things I have been buying were at least somewhat healthy. From now on I will be checking everything that I put in my shopping cart.
And what makes me more angry is that the food industries can and are getting away with this, not to mention all the other garbage thats being put into our food. It's one thing for a person to not care about what they eat and eat whatever they want , but when a person is trying to eat healthy and make sure their children are eating healthy as well, it's almost impossible when the food industry is hiding the poison and advertising it as healthy.

If anyone does not know the health dangers of trans fat and partially hydrogenated oils, please look it up. It will certainly change your mind about what you buy and what you eat.

Stay away from grass fed beef too, higher in trans fats than grain fed beef

I believe you have that backwards. You want to go for grass-fed beef. Cows naturally eat grass, eating grains is unnatural, and it makes them sick, which is part of the reason they preemptively pump them full of antibiotics (that, and to stop them from getting sick in the overcrowded populations of factory farms).

Grass-fed beef that is raised naturally with no antibiotics or growth hormone is ideal, but that's not cost effective for the food industry. It takes four years to raise a beef cow, but with growth hormone they can do it in 6 months, which results in a bigger, fattier cow, and leads to the beef-eaters gaining weight, and developing illnesses and early puberty in kids due to the hormones, and also antibiotic resistance due to ingesting antibiotics in the meat.

If nothing else, get organic meat. It costs more, but when you weigh that against the costs of illness and obesity, it's worth it.

Please make up your mind, if you want all trans fats to be banned, i'm unsure why you would say grass fed beef is better, as it is higher in trans fats

They want to ban artificial transfats, like the stuff in margarine. I guess I should have been more specific. Most people when they talk about transfats are talking about things like hydrogenated oils and things that are modified and manufactured. Transfat in beef that is raised naturally is not going to hurt people. Eating food that is one molecule away from plastic is not so good for people.

I will take the transfat in grass-fed beef over the hormones and antibiotics in grain fed beef, and I will take butter over margarine because I like to eat real food, not artificial crap that is manufactured in factories.

What about ingesting something that is one molecule away from explosive gas? Is that good or bad?

So you were fear mongering when talking about all trans fats being bad?

Yes, you're right, that's what I was trying to do. You caught me, transfats are perfectly safe. They don't increase LDL or decrease HDL, they don't increase the risk of heart disease and strokes, and they certainly don't contribute to diabetes.

So go for it, eat as much processed and fast food as you want, and let it forever remain a MYSTERY why people are getting fatter and sicker, because obviously it's just fear mongering saying that it might have SOMETHING to do with the **** we're eating. These over-zealous healthy food and clean eating freaks just want to take all the pleasure out of the crappy foods that are killing people, because they just taste so damn good, how can they possibly be bad?

I'm done with this conversation. People who care will do the research for themselves, and people who don't, will pay for it later.

toaster6

So I've doing some reading on partially hydrogenated oils. So far what I have read is that ANY oil that has been hydrogenized in any way is pretty much the worst thing a person can eat. Plus all partially hydrogenated oil =trans fat. Fine so I just won't buy foods that have trans fat, no big deal. Right? Well here's the kicker, even if the lable on the box says 0 trans fat that doesn't mean it's completely trans fat free. The reason being is that the USDA says as long as something is .5 or less per serving it doesn't have to be listed.
You can know if a food has trans fat by reading the ingredients on the box. If it says partially hydrogenated oil, of any kind, then it has trans fat. It may only be trace amounts per serving, but if you eat more then a serving then it adds up.
When I went grocery shopping this morning I was angry and astounded at how many pkged foods have partially hydrogenated oil in them. Several of these foods I buy on a regular basis, INCLUDING, Flintstone vitamins ( threw an almost full bottle in the trash when I found out ) and El Paso refried beans. I am very angry because I've been under the assumption that many of the things I have been buying were at least somewhat healthy. From now on I will be checking everything that I put in my shopping cart.
And what makes me more angry is that the food industries can and are getting away with this, not to mention all the other garbage thats being put into our food. It's one thing for a person to not care about what they eat and eat whatever they want , but when a person is trying to eat healthy and make sure their children are eating healthy as well, it's almost impossible when the food industry is hiding the poison and advertising it as healthy.

If anyone does not know the health dangers of trans fat and partially hydrogenated oils, please look it up. It will certainly change your mind about what you buy and what you eat.

Stay away from grass fed beef too, higher in trans fats than grain fed beef

I believe you have that backwards. You want to go for grass-fed beef. Cows naturally eat grass, eating grains is unnatural, and it makes them sick, which is part of the reason they preemptively pump them full of antibiotics (that, and to stop them from getting sick in the overcrowded populations of factory farms).

Grass-fed beef that is raised naturally with no antibiotics or growth hormone is ideal, but that's not cost effective for the food industry. It takes four years to raise a beef cow, but with growth hormone they can do it in 6 months, which results in a bigger, fattier cow, and leads to the beef-eaters gaining weight, and developing illnesses and early puberty in kids due to the hormones, and also antibiotic resistance due to ingesting antibiotics in the meat.

If nothing else, get organic meat. It costs more, but when you weigh that against the costs of illness and obesity, it's worth it.

Please make up your mind, if you want all trans fats to be banned, i'm unsure why you would say grass fed beef is better, as it is higher in trans fats

Eating food that is one molecule away from plastic is not so good for people.

Not only is that not right, it's not even wrong. Meaningless statement.

BajaDreamin333

I work in the legal field, and am working on a seminar that has a main topic on how nutrition and food companies can deal with GMO labeling. Translattion, what is the MOST information that HAS to be listed on the label to meet REGULATIONS, and what are the lobby groups doing to minimize that.

California has some really good laws with Prop 65, and many companies/manufactureres comply so there is no need for different lables depending on their distribtuion states, but really, if it has a skin, stem or seeds, you're safe. Anything else is a crap shoot on what you're putting in your mouth.

Acg67

Please make up your mind, if you want all trans fats to be banned, i'm unsure why you would say grass fed beef is better, as it is higher in trans fats

This says grain feeding increases trans fat: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16500874

See Table 2, the study you posted is included and see if it differs from the others included

www.nutritionj.com/content/9/1/10‎

jwdieter

Not only is that not right, it's not even wrong. Meaningless statement.

The "one molecule away from" approach is silly. Paying attention to trans fats is not.

dbmata

Diet soda companies can pay a fee to put on their bottle that it is 0 calories, when in reality they can contain up to 10 calories per serving. It's nto a lot, but the fact that companies can buy their way out of honesty is frightening, especially when it comes to what we put in our bodies.

That's what the voters wanted. In the US at least, can't say about other countries.

As for the partially hydro stuff.

Don't buy packaged goods.

toaster6

Not only is that not right, it's not even wrong. Meaningless statement.

The "one molecule away from" approach is silly. Paying attention to trans fats is not.

Never said it was. I personally don't eat margarine or butter and limit my oil intake (never liked the flavors of margarine/butter/oil) but use actual, valid arguments and not ridiculous statements meant to misdirect or scare people.

Klem4

Yup... you have to read everything very carefully. and if you don't know what the heck kinda made up word it is.. probably shouldn't eat it. lol. Its awful.