Ectomorphs
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deviboy1592 wrote: »you guys do realize that you burn more calories through out the day right?
Yes, of course. Not sure of your point though.
That's how I came up with a high calorie count for the amount I burn in a day.0 -
deviboy1592 wrote: »you guys do realize that you burn more calories through out the day right?
I'm still confused.
I know we're all different, but I'm a 5' 11" 43 year old 190ish pound guy and my average TDEE is ~3300 (while lifting moderately for about an hour 3-4 days/week). And I sit behind a desk all day. Are you seriously burning only 2000ish? But then how are you still an ectomorph?
Or am I misremembering this whole thread?0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »you guys do realize that you burn more calories through out the day right?
I'm still confused.
I know we're all different, but I'm a 5' 11" 43 year old 190ish pound guy and my average TDEE is ~3300 (while lifting moderately for about an hour 3-4 days/week). And I sit behind a desk all day. Are you seriously burning only 2000ish? But then how are you still an ectomorph?
Or am I misremembering this whole thread?
jof ... one does not ask the OP for a rational explanation of anything they've said. Either you are on the same plane of reality as them, or you're a logical human.0 -
deviboy1592 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »you guys do realize that you burn more calories through out the day right?
Yes, of course. Not sure of your point though.
That's how I came up with a high calorie count for the amount I burn in a day.
Still not sure of the point of your comment.
There is still confusion. You posted this:
Me 3000-3400 calories in
1400-1600 out ( if I counted properly,)
2600- 2800 which might not be much of a surplus.
Which had no explaniation of the 1,400 - 1,600 or the 2,600 - 2,800.
- your 1,400 - 1,600 - that was for 20 mins lifting and 30 mins cardio, correct? The 20 minutes - are you counting the whole lifting session or the amount of time you are actually lifting (excluding or including warm ups)
- the 2,600 - 2,800 - this is your TDEE? Or you TDEE less EAT?0 -
deviboy1592 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »Me 3000-3400 calories in
1400-1600 out ( if I counted properly,)
2600- 2800 which might not be much of a surplus.
So I'm actually burning more than I'm eating. That's why I get in and get out.
Okay, what you're doing is counterproductive.
When you eat at 3000-3400 and workout 7 days you burn away a lot of your surplus.
When you eat 3000-3400 and workout 3/4 days for 20 mins you gain (?) that's because you're not burning away as much of your surplus BUT 3 x 20 mins is not going to build much muscle so what you're gaining is going to be more fat than muscle - get it?
You say you enjoy working out more often, so do that and EAT MORE.
if you're just starting out, I'd stick with a beginner programme (SL5x5, Stating Strength, All-Pro, ICF5x5 etc). You might not like doing just compound moves, that's okay, you can add isolation stuff as assistance work. All these workouts should take around 50-60 mins which should allow you to actually build something. You might want to do cardio on off days but you'll need to eat to support that or you'll just be spinning your wheels again.
Then you start coming into problems with coping with the sheer volume of food. I won't get into the whole argument of yesterday but this is where a lot of us find an element of 'junk' useful. If you can't bring yourself to embrace that then stick with eating clean and suck it up!
I'm not going to get into any silly back and forths again today (well, maybe) but everyone's entitled to some advice AND you will get good advice here, whether you choose to take it is up to you. Good luck with it.
Just did a bunch of reading, looked at alot of different articles, forums and they all basically said that exact answer, thanks for the advice, will do.
let you know how i make out, started a 16 week program from bb.com which im going to try, but they said basically get in and get out, try not to burn as much calories as possible, also im waiting for a charge hr which i ordered to try to keep track of the amount of calories i burn in a day. ill post those up once i get them as well.
What is the program you've selected from bb.com? You have to be careful since there are a lot of programs and most will not be good for a beginner, particularly if you are having trouble gaining weight. I would go more with 5x5 or SS rather than a BB.com plan until you start putting on weight. Jason Blaha has a good variation of the 5x5, which you can find here: muscleandstrength.com/workouts/jason-blaha-ice-cream-fitness-5x5-novice-workout0 -
deviboy1592 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »you guys do realize that you burn more calories through out the day right?
Yes, of course. Not sure of your point though.
That's how I came up with a high calorie count for the amount I burn in a day.
Still not sure of the point of your comment.
There is still confusion. You posted this:
Me 3000-3400 calories in
1400-1600 out ( if I counted properly,)
2600- 2800 which might not be much of a surplus.
Which had no explaniation of the 1,400 - 1,600 or the 2,600 - 2,800.
- your 1,400 - 1,600 - that was for 20 mins lifting and 30 mins cardio, correct? The 20 minutes - are you counting the whole lifting session or the amount of time you are actually lifting (excluding or including warm ups)
- the 2,600 - 2,800 - this is your TDEE? Or you TDEE less EAT?
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »Me 3000-3400 calories in
1400-1600 out ( if I counted properly,)
2600- 2800 which might not be much of a surplus.
So I'm actually burning more than I'm eating. That's why I get in and get out.
Okay, what you're doing is counterproductive.
When you eat at 3000-3400 and workout 7 days you burn away a lot of your surplus.
When you eat 3000-3400 and workout 3/4 days for 20 mins you gain (?) that's because you're not burning away as much of your surplus BUT 3 x 20 mins is not going to build much muscle so what you're gaining is going to be more fat than muscle - get it?
You say you enjoy working out more often, so do that and EAT MORE.
if you're just starting out, I'd stick with a beginner programme (SL5x5, Stating Strength, All-Pro, ICF5x5 etc). You might not like doing just compound moves, that's okay, you can add isolation stuff as assistance work. All these workouts should take around 50-60 mins which should allow you to actually build something. You might want to do cardio on off days but you'll need to eat to support that or you'll just be spinning your wheels again.
Then you start coming into problems with coping with the sheer volume of food. I won't get into the whole argument of yesterday but this is where a lot of us find an element of 'junk' useful. If you can't bring yourself to embrace that then stick with eating clean and suck it up!
I'm not going to get into any silly back and forths again today (well, maybe) but everyone's entitled to some advice AND you will get good advice here, whether you choose to take it is up to you. Good luck with it.
Just did a bunch of reading, looked at alot of different articles, forums and they all basically said that exact answer, thanks for the advice, will do.
let you know how i make out, started a 16 week program from bb.com which im going to try, but they said basically get in and get out, try not to burn as much calories as possible, also im waiting for a charge hr which i ordered to try to keep track of the amount of calories i burn in a day. ill post those up once i get them as well.
What is the program you've selected from bb.com? You have to be careful since there are a lot of programs and most will not be good for a beginner, particularly if you are having trouble gaining weight. I would go more with 5x5 or SS rather than a BB.com plan until you start putting on weight. Jason Blaha has a good variation of the 5x5, which you can find here: muscleandstrength.com/workouts/jason-blaha-ice-cream-fitness-5x5-novice-workout
It's a workout by A.Demetri, something I found that might work for me, he also added a meal plan as well which is all the foods I enjoy too. Some of the workouts are lengthy but it worked for him. Thanks, is nice to see someone trying to help then just the crappy criticism that a lot of people love slinging on here.0
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