Lawsuit 'Discriminatory' Gluten-Free Menu
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blankiefinder wrote: »blankiefinder wrote: »
More like they shouldn't.goddessofawesome wrote: »So what you're saying is that if someone has celiacs they're not allowed to eat out? That's what I'm getting from your comment.
Or, start their own celiacs friendly restaurants. Not everything is for everyone. I don't see jewish people trying to get pork taken off of menus because they can't have it.
I don't remember seeing anyone ask for gluten to be taken off a menu! Just that we have a couple options that are safe.
Everyone gets a couple of options and, before you know it, the menu is 40 items long.
There are restaurants that do gluten free. Good for them. That's part of their business model.
For restaurants that don't have a setup to avoid cross-contamination, or products on hand to maintain their food standards, it's unreasonable to demand gluten free options.
I think you might have missed the suggestion that was made earlier in this conversation that restaurants that have gluten free menus should get rid of them.
Places that aren't set up for it, I just don't go in. But don't take away the places that are willing to accommodate.
Was it said in sarcasm?
I have friends that are celiac and I would hate to see them lose their options. But, unfortunately, frivolous lawsuits like this one will set a precedent that does just that.0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »OT: I worked for a company and we had an outing at a steak restaurant. One guy was a vegetarian and he was disgusted over the fact that there were animal heads on the wall and complained to the restaurant manager about it. I never laughed so hard at someone in my life.
I can't imagine going through life eternally offended by everything. What a sad way to live.0 -
SapiensPisces wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »OT: I worked for a company and we had an outing at a steak restaurant. One guy was a vegetarian and he was disgusted over the fact that there were animal heads on the wall and complained to the restaurant manager about it. I never laughed so hard at someone in my life.
I can't imagine going through life eternally offended by everything. What a sad way to live.
Unfortunately most people do go through life that way.
I agree, it is a very sad way to live.
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[Eh, nevermind. I don't want to derail the thread on this.]0
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goddessofawesome wrote: »
More like they shouldn't.goddessofawesome wrote: »So what you're saying is that if someone has celiacs they're not allowed to eat out? That's what I'm getting from your comment.
Or, start their own celiacs friendly restaurants. Not everything is for everyone. I don't see jewish people trying to get pork taken off of menus because they can't have it.
Then there shouldn't be vegetarian options on menus either. They should just stay home and cook their own food as well. There is absolutely no reason why there should be vegetarian options on the menu at a steak and seafood restaurant.
So far vegetarians don't sue restaurants for having a veggie lasagna, so there's that.0 -
Fine the restaurant should just stop carrying gluten free. Problem solved. If an item does not have a profit margin a business will not carry it. If she gets her way she will make gluten free disappear from all menus. Why do people seem so ignorant about basic economics?0
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Fine the restaurant should just stop carrying gluten free. Problem solved. If an item does not have a profit margin a business will not carry it. If she gets her way she will make gluten free disappear from all menus. Why do people seem so ignorant about basic economics?
Welcome to MFP. Just wait until we get into requiring all restaurants to post nutritional information. The derp is mind boggling.0 -
Fine the restaurant should just stop carrying gluten free. Problem solved. If an item does not have a profit margin a business will not carry it. If she gets her way she will make gluten free disappear from all menus. Why do people seem so ignorant about basic economics?
Then she shot herself in the foot if that happens which in turn will probably cause her to file another law suit because restaurants stopped offering gluten free options because of her original complaint.
Also I highly doubt restaurants don't see a profit from it. If that were the case than more restaurants wouldn't offer it. As it stands the majority of the places I have gone to have gluten free options or a completely separate gluten free menu.0 -
That one is always my favourite.Fine the restaurant should just stop carrying gluten free. Problem solved. If an item does not have a profit margin a business will not carry it. If she gets her way she will make gluten free disappear from all menus. Why do people seem so ignorant about basic economics?
Welcome to MFP. Just wait until we get into requiring all restaurants to post nutritional information. The derp is mind boggling.
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blankiefinder wrote: »blankiefinder wrote: »
More like they shouldn't.goddessofawesome wrote: »So what you're saying is that if someone has celiacs they're not allowed to eat out? That's what I'm getting from your comment.
Or, start their own celiacs friendly restaurants. Not everything is for everyone. I don't see jewish people trying to get pork taken off of menus because they can't have it.
I don't remember seeing anyone ask for gluten to be taken off a menu! Just that we have a couple options that are safe.
Everyone gets a couple of options and, before you know it, the menu is 40 items long.
There are restaurants that do gluten free. Good for them. That's part of their business model.
For restaurants that don't have a setup to avoid cross-contamination, or products on hand to maintain their food standards, it's unreasonable to demand gluten free options.
I think you might have missed the suggestion that was made earlier in this conversation that restaurants that have gluten free menus should get rid of them.
Places that aren't set up for it, I just don't go in. But don't take away the places that are willing to accommodate.
I believe the point was that if the thanks a restaurant gets for having a special menu (that costs a whole dollar more, as gluten free tends to cost more and having the option probably costs money anyway) is to get sued, then the restaurant ought to say "yes, we are sorry to offend, no more special menu." Seems fitting to me.
Of course it's not fair for those of you who are neither this awful plaintiff nor her lawyers, but perhaps you should speak out. (Or don't--to be honest I don't care except that I feel like getting outraged about this dumb suit at the moment, as it's amusing me.)0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »Fine the restaurant should just stop carrying gluten free. Problem solved. If an item does not have a profit margin a business will not carry it. If she gets her way she will make gluten free disappear from all menus. Why do people seem so ignorant about basic economics?
Then she shot herself in the foot if that happens which in turn will probably cause her to file another law suit because restaurants stopped offering gluten free options because of her original complaint.
Also I highly doubt restaurants don't see a profit from it. If that were the case than more restaurants wouldn't offer it. As it stands the majority of the places I have gone to have gluten free options or a completely separate gluten free menu.
They see a profit now because they charge more for it (because the accommodation costs more). They won't if they have to charge regular price.0 -
Well done.goddessofawesome wrote: »
Agreed.goddessofawesome wrote: »
More like they shouldn't.goddessofawesome wrote: »So what you're saying is that if someone has celiacs they're not allowed to eat out? That's what I'm getting from your comment.
Or, start their own celiacs friendly restaurants. Not everything is for everyone. I don't see jewish people trying to get pork taken off of menus because they can't have it.
Then there shouldn't be vegetarian options on menus either. They should just stay home and cook their own food as well. There is absolutely no reason why there should be vegetarian options on the menu at a steak and seafood restaurant.
Excepting of course salads and sides.
OT: I worked for a company and we had an outing at a steak restaurant. One guy was a vegetarian and he was disgusted over the fact that there were animal heads on the wall and complained to the restaurant manager about it. I never laughed so hard at someone in my life.
I would do the same.
In fact, I have at "lib'ruls" who are sketched out by hunting trophies.
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blankiefinder wrote: »
More like they shouldn't.goddessofawesome wrote: »So what you're saying is that if someone has celiacs they're not allowed to eat out? That's what I'm getting from your comment.
Or, start their own celiacs friendly restaurants. Not everything is for everyone. I don't see jewish people trying to get pork taken off of menus because they can't have it.
I don't remember seeing anyone ask for gluten to be taken off a menu! Just that we have a couple options that are safe.
Do you have no clue what this lawsuit is trying to achieve?0 -
Explain this to me. Small words if possible, since I only went to culinary school and art school, so my STEM background is a little light...blankiefinder wrote: »Bacon gluten free? Only if you buy gluten free bacon.
I've probably cured out 600-700 pounds of bacon over the last couple few years. What part of salt, sodium nitrate, maple syrup, and herbs/spices has wheat gluten?
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My current job is very international, and the only "special" snowflakes are the US customers. They expect accommodation for EVERYTHING. "My power went out and I lost X, it's not fair, fix it for me!" No. "You iz a jerks!"But it's been my experience -- as a Canadian who has travelled around the world quite a few times -- that only Americans expect this sort of accommodation.0 -
blankiefinder wrote: »blankiefinder wrote: »
More like they shouldn't.goddessofawesome wrote: »So what you're saying is that if someone has celiacs they're not allowed to eat out? That's what I'm getting from your comment.
Or, start their own celiacs friendly restaurants. Not everything is for everyone. I don't see jewish people trying to get pork taken off of menus because they can't have it.
I don't remember seeing anyone ask for gluten to be taken off a menu! Just that we have a couple options that are safe.
Everyone gets a couple of options and, before you know it, the menu is 40 items long.
There are restaurants that do gluten free. Good for them. That's part of their business model.
For restaurants that don't have a setup to avoid cross-contamination, or products on hand to maintain their food standards, it's unreasonable to demand gluten free options.
I think you might have missed the suggestion that was made earlier in this conversation that restaurants that have gluten free menus should get rid of them.
Places that aren't set up for it, I just don't go in. But don't take away the places that are willing to accommodate.
Was it said in sarcasm?
I have friends that are celiac and I would hate to see them lose their options. But, unfortunately, frivolous lawsuits like this one will set a precedent that does just that.
I said that my hope is, this lawsuit causes chains to remove GF options. For more than a few reasons, but really it's not a needed accommodation.0 -
Explain this to me. Small words if possible, since I only went to culinary school and art school, so my STEM background is a little light...blankiefinder wrote: »Bacon gluten free? Only if you buy gluten free bacon.
I've probably cured out 600-700 pounds of bacon over the last couple few years. What part of salt, sodium nitrate, maple syrup, and herbs/spices has wheat gluten?
Liquid smoke usually contains barley. Also, cross contamination on food processing lines. I would guess that 75% of bacon is safe. The other 25%? A crap shoot. (possibly literally
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Explain this to me. Small words if possible, since I only went to culinary school and art school, so my STEM background is a little light...blankiefinder wrote: »Bacon gluten free? Only if you buy gluten free bacon.
I've probably cured out 600-700 pounds of bacon over the last couple few years. What part of salt, sodium nitrate, maple syrup, and herbs/spices has wheat gluten?
Some spices can contain gluten. Some things like horseradish can contain distilled grain vinegar and some spices can contain flour to prevent clumping.
Also, depending on what kind of bacon you're buying can have caramel color (gluten) and other spices that contain gluten.
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Do what I do, make your own.blankiefinder wrote: »
Explain this to me. Small words if possible, since I only went to culinary school and art school, so my STEM background is a little light...blankiefinder wrote: »Bacon gluten free? Only if you buy gluten free bacon.
I've probably cured out 600-700 pounds of bacon over the last couple few years. What part of salt, sodium nitrate, maple syrup, and herbs/spices has wheat gluten?
Liquid smoke usually contains barley. Also, cross contamination on food processing lines. I would guess that 75% of bacon is safe. The other 25%? A crap shoot. (possibly literally )
Liquid smoke is a heinous invention, but that doesn't surprise me. I don't use it, but I do have some powdered smoke somewhere. It is GF, but it's horrid stuff.
The one that truly confounds, and this is because I've not looked into it. However... gluten free sugar. Seems to be a rather "duh" item for me.
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My current job is very international, and the only "special" snowflakes are the US customers. They expect accommodation for EVERYTHING. "My power went out and I lost X, it's not fair, fix it for me!" No. "You iz a jerks!"But it's been my experience -- as a Canadian who has travelled around the world quite a few times -- that only Americans expect this sort of accommodation.
Yes, we have many agents out there diligently reinforcing the "ugly American" rep. No "when in Rome" for us! Makes me cringe.
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Which spices and which purveyors?goddessofawesome wrote: »
Explain this to me. Small words if possible, since I only went to culinary school and art school, so my STEM background is a little light...blankiefinder wrote: »Bacon gluten free? Only if you buy gluten free bacon.
I've probably cured out 600-700 pounds of bacon over the last couple few years. What part of salt, sodium nitrate, maple syrup, and herbs/spices has wheat gluten?
Some spices can contain gluten. Some things like horseradish can contain distilled grain vinegar and some spices can contain flour to prevent clumping.
Also, depending on what kind of bacon you're buying can have caramel color (gluten) and other spices that contain gluten.
Even market brand spices are what they say on the container. That turmeric is turmeric.
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I had a pickle that advertised it was non gmo and gluten free0
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JustinAnimal wrote: »blankiefinder wrote: »Back to the original topic, my fear is that this lawsuit could cause restaurants to stop offering gluten free menus, that would be very very bad for all celiacs.
Would it be so bad for celiacs to learn to cook for themselves or eat non-bready things? Is it so bad eating grains that don't involve wheat, eating more vegetables and proteins?
Seriously, even though I'm not celiac, I learned how to cook because most restaurants really make you a crap meal for the price you pay. Like, almost anywhere you go. I can cook a steak better than 90% of the restaurants I eat at, barring legit steakhouses. Ditto for the salmon my wife loves. LEARN TO COOK! LEARN TO LIVE WITHOUT HAMBURGER BUNS! For Pete's sake, you can still eat french fries and buffalo wings, we're just talking about gluten. The biggest injustice you face is not being able to consume beer and I rarely hear celiacs complaining about that.
Your half the knowledge displayed confidently is a serious life threatening danger for someone else.0 -
My current job is very international, and the only "special" snowflakes are the US customers. They expect accommodation for EVERYTHING. "My power went out and I lost X, it's not fair, fix it for me!" No. "You iz a jerks!"But it's been my experience -- as a Canadian who has travelled around the world quite a few times -- that only Americans expect this sort of accommodation.
I studied abroad with a girl with Celiac's in New Zealand and good god was she demanding to not only the people doing the group cooking, and they always made her something different, but also was flat out appalled that there weren't GF options everywhere. She didn't understand that with like 4 million people, there wasn't a market for it and the world didn't actually revolve around her.0 -
wut?JustinAnimal wrote: »blankiefinder wrote: »Back to the original topic, my fear is that this lawsuit could cause restaurants to stop offering gluten free menus, that would be very very bad for all celiacs.
Would it be so bad for celiacs to learn to cook for themselves or eat non-bready things? Is it so bad eating grains that don't involve wheat, eating more vegetables and proteins?
Seriously, even though I'm not celiac, I learned how to cook because most restaurants really make you a crap meal for the price you pay. Like, almost anywhere you go. I can cook a steak better than 90% of the restaurants I eat at, barring legit steakhouses. Ditto for the salmon my wife loves. LEARN TO COOK! LEARN TO LIVE WITHOUT HAMBURGER BUNS! For Pete's sake, you can still eat french fries and buffalo wings, we're just talking about gluten. The biggest injustice you face is not being able to consume beer and I rarely hear celiacs complaining about that.
Your half the knowledge displayed confidently is a serious life threatening danger for someone else.
I don't understand what you are trying to convey.
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My current job is very international, and the only "special" snowflakes are the US customers. They expect accommodation for EVERYTHING. "My power went out and I lost X, it's not fair, fix it for me!" No. "You iz a jerks!"But it's been my experience -- as a Canadian who has travelled around the world quite a few times -- that only Americans expect this sort of accommodation.
I studied abroad with a girl with Celiac's in New Zealand and good god was she demanding to not only the people doing the group cooking, and they always made her something different, but also was flat out appalled that there weren't GF options everywhere. She didn't understand that with like 4 million people, there wasn't a market for it and the world didn't actually revolve around her.
Yeah, not surprising. It's a culture of entitlement. Which brings us back to this lawsuit.0 -
Which spices and which purveyors?goddessofawesome wrote: »
Explain this to me. Small words if possible, since I only went to culinary school and art school, so my STEM background is a little light...blankiefinder wrote: »Bacon gluten free? Only if you buy gluten free bacon.
I've probably cured out 600-700 pounds of bacon over the last couple few years. What part of salt, sodium nitrate, maple syrup, and herbs/spices has wheat gluten?
Some spices can contain gluten. Some things like horseradish can contain distilled grain vinegar and some spices can contain flour to prevent clumping.
Also, depending on what kind of bacon you're buying can have caramel color (gluten) and other spices that contain gluten.
Even market brand spices are what they say on the container. That turmeric is turmeric.
My curry masala better be curry masala!0 -
If that snozzberry doesn't taste like snozzberries, I'm cutting someone.
Which spices and which purveyors?goddessofawesome wrote: »
Explain this to me. Small words if possible, since I only went to culinary school and art school, so my STEM background is a little light...blankiefinder wrote: »Bacon gluten free? Only if you buy gluten free bacon.
I've probably cured out 600-700 pounds of bacon over the last couple few years. What part of salt, sodium nitrate, maple syrup, and herbs/spices has wheat gluten?
Some spices can contain gluten. Some things like horseradish can contain distilled grain vinegar and some spices can contain flour to prevent clumping.
Also, depending on what kind of bacon you're buying can have caramel color (gluten) and other spices that contain gluten.
Even market brand spices are what they say on the container. That turmeric is turmeric.
My curry masala better be curry masala!
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