So how long do you give it before...
BFDeal
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...you break down and cut your calories to the level of an 18 year old girl trying to lose 5lbs to impress her b/f? I've been stalled FOREVVVVVVVVER it feels like. I feel like I'm eating at a realistic level for a realistic goal. I'm not some guy trying to lose 2lbs a week with only 3lbs left to lose. I'm 5'11" 230lbs. If I lose 30lbs I'm still considered obese. But yet no losses. So it comes to to ask the guys who've tried it before, how long did you wait before you just slashed your calories to 1500 even though the general advice is to not do stuff like that? Did you get results? Were you able to recover after and return to a more normal diet?
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again? Didn't we just do this the other day?0
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i see a lot of cup and tsp entrees in your diary Maybe you are eating more than you think.
Weigh ALL your solid food and measure the liquids.
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Weigh your food raw and in grams to be more accurate. Makes a pretty big difference.0
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Personally, every stall I've ever had was the result of undisciplined eating and/or sloppy logging. When I correct those issues, results usually show themselves within a few days, a week at the most.
I know from your past posts that you think your logging is pretty spot on, so that's probably not helpful. But that's my experience, take it for what it's worth.
As a side note, I've been counting calories for going on 4 years now, so I have a pretty good idea of what my maintenance calories are, at least based on how I log/estimate (remember - this is all based on estimates, so what I log as 2000 cals may or may not be the same as what you or anyone else log as 2000 cals). at 38yrs old and 5'8" tall, I cut at ~1800 cals and maintain at ~2300.0 -
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I'm 6'4" 240 and I'm eating 1480 calories a day and getting a few runs in. If it's within your threshold, I say go for it.0
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I never stalled, but since stuff can fluctuate a lot I'd wait at least a month of no loss to reduce calories further. Going down to 1500 or 1600 is not dangerous at all either if you just want to do that and can stick to it, it's a reasonable deficit at that height if you were less overweight so you'd have to reduce your intake to something along that eventually anyway.0
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When you eat in a deficit and you are sure you are, than nobody here can help you out.
Eating less calories than you burn WILL result in weight loss.
Always! with one exception and that is when there is a medical issue.
So when you are really sure of this than its time for a visit to a doctor.
There is no magic to weight loss, or gaining weight.
I still say its in what you eat, i find it pretty amazing you can measure out every time the SAME weight for example your salsa.0 -
FoCoAlphaNerd wrote: »I'm 6'4" 240 and I'm eating 1480 calories a day and getting a few runs in. If it's within your threshold, I say go for it.
You're a male, this is not a good idea. You're adding back exercise calories right?0 -
I do. I think diary entries can be deceptive or something since I've gotten this multiple times. My cottage cheese lists itself as .5 cups (113g). So I weigh out 226g. If I go over a couple grams I'll call it 2.1, which is actually estimating high. Same for the tablespoons of salsa. 31g a tablespoon. I have these memorize because I eat these daily. The diary log still displays these as cups or tablespoons but I've weighed them though. Same for cereal, etc. I've got the weighing/measuring thing down. Liquids I use cups.TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »i see a lot of cup and tsp entrees in your diary Maybe you are eating more than you think.
Weigh ALL your solid food and measure the liquids.
I agree....if a serving size is 100 grams, for example I weigh out 100 grams...yet my diary entry would look as if I was just assuming it was a serving. I don't know how to log it so it's clear that I did in fact weigh the food.
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How often are you weighing yourself? Weight naturally fluctuates on a daily basis, sometimes rather dramatically. Often, when people weigh only once a week (or less often), they catch themselves at a low point one week and at a high point the next week and wrongly perceive that they are in a plateau. If you weigh yourself on a daily basis and start keeping a trend line, then you can disregard the noise of the daily fluctuations and instead concentrate on the trajectory of the trend line. Check out John Walker's "The Hacker's Diet" (specifically the weight monitoring chapter) or a site like trendweight.com (if you don't want to keep an Excel spreadsheet on your own).0
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »FoCoAlphaNerd wrote: »I'm 6'4" 240 and I'm eating 1480 calories a day and getting a few runs in. If it's within your threshold, I say go for it.
You're a male, this is not a good idea. You're adding back exercise calories right?
No, I'm not. I'm listening to my body. I don't find myself in any way diminished, tired or overly hungry. I recover from workouts just as fast as I did when I was overeating. Percentage of deficit wise, which is a much more useful measurement than just the deficit number itself, it's very similar to many people on here who are trying to lose two pounds a week.0 -
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »FoCoAlphaNerd wrote: »I'm 6'4" 240 and I'm eating 1480 calories a day and getting a few runs in. If it's within your threshold, I say go for it.
You're a male, this is not a good idea. You're adding back exercise calories right?
TDEE method. I eat the same daily. I actually eat under what my supposed TDEE is.
What specifically are you calculating as your TDEE? How much are you exercising? Perhaps you are overestimating your burn rate and therefore are not achieving as much of a deficit as you thought?
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TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »When you eat in a deficit and you are sure you are, than nobody here can help you out.
Eating less calories than you burn WILL result in weight loss.
Always! with one exception and that is when there is a medical issue.
So when you are really sure of this than its time for a visit to a doctor.
There is no magic to weight loss, or gaining weight.
I still say its in what you eat, i find it pretty amazing you can measure out every time the SAME weight for example your salsa.
I mean I could make a video of me doing it. Most are 2.1 in my entries. This is to account for the 63g or 65g vs 62g (which calories wise on salsa, at 10 calories a tablespoon, is a VERY small difference).
Well i dont have to see what you are doing.
Your body is the perfect counter and will be the judge of that.
I only try to help
When you dont have a medical issue or did a wrong calculation of your TDEE your are not eating in deficit. Thats all there is too it.
And there are ways to do it. Lower your calories with 100 or 150 for some weeks...Not a week but some weeks and see what the result is. When you keep on weighing your food the same way than you still get less calories.
After some weeks you look at the result. Lost weight? than you ate in deficit, when no loss you were eating to much.
Going very low in calories is up to the person itself. I dont recommend very low calories without support of a doctor.
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At this point, and based on your posts around the boards in the last couple of days, I would say you have two options: either start lowering your calories by 100 every week or so until you start losing again or go and see a doctor and get yourself checked out.0
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Some people say just weight lifting doesn't burn enough calories to count as exercise in those calculators. If you put sedentary instead your TDEE shrinks by a few hundred calories.0
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IIFYM.comLiftng4Lis wrote: »FoCoAlphaNerd wrote: »I'm 6'4" 240 and I'm eating 1480 calories a day and getting a few runs in. If it's within your threshold, I say go for it.
You're a male, this is not a good idea. You're adding back exercise calories right?
TDEE method. I eat the same daily. I actually eat under what my supposed TDEE is.
What specifically are you calculating as your TDEE? How much are you exercising? Perhaps you are overestimating your burn rate and therefore are not achieving as much of a deficit as you thought?
It just goes by days you work out. I use three. I usually lift 4-5 days, 30-40 minute sessions because of time constraints so I call it 3 days in the calculator. It worked fine last year up until the losses just stopped. I ate about 2300 steady May 30-mid November. With my current weight My TDEE-20% should be 2200ish (I'd have to go to the site to see for sure).
Well, I have to echo what the others have said. If you were truly achieving a deficit, you would lose weight, so there are several possibilities: 1) you are underestimating intake, 2) you are overestimating burn rate, 3) some combination of 1 & 2, or 4) your BMR is lower than standard calculations would predict because of a medical reason.
If you think that it could be the last scenario, then go see a doctor. You should ask them to do a thyroid panel. Perhaps you are hypothyroid. Or perhaps you have some other issue that is messing with your metabolism.0 -
diannethegeek wrote: »At this point, and based on your posts around the boards in the last couple of days, I would say you have two options: either start lowering your calories by 100 every week or so until you start losing again or go and see a doctor and get yourself checked out.
Yup
Or do as I said on that other thread, lower to 1500 and start increasing
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How long have you been on TDEE -20%?0
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diannethegeek wrote: »At this point, and based on your posts around the boards in the last couple of days, I would say you have two options: either start lowering your calories by 100 every week or so until you start losing again or go and see a doctor and get yourself checked out.
Yup
Or do as I said on that other thread, lower to 1500 and start increasing
Same advice
I would say cut down to 1500 at this point. I feel like this is a repeating theme for your posts--I'm not losing weight, why do other people get to eat more, etc. Just cut your calories and be done with it. Or up your activity considerably. The worst that can happen is you stay the same.
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I guess, why do all the other guys lifting eat so much though? It seems like the IIFYM site is geared specifically toward lifting almost too. I'll run it through that way I guess.stevencloser wrote: »Some people say just weight lifting doesn't burn enough calories to count as exercise in those calculators. If you put sedentary instead your TDEE shrinks by a few hundred calories.
They can eat more because 1) they have more lean mass than you and are thus burning more and 2) are most likely bulking so they're eating above their TDEE to gain weight (in muscles).0 -
diannethegeek wrote: »At this point, and based on your posts around the boards in the last couple of days, I would say you have two options: either start lowering your calories by 100 every week or so until you start losing again or go and see a doctor and get yourself checked out.
Yup
Or do as I said on that other thread, lower to 1500 and start increasing
Same advice
I would say cut down to 1500 at this point. I feel like this is a repeating theme for your posts--I'm not losing weight, why do other people get to eat more, etc. Just cut your calories and be done with it. Or up your activity considerably. The worst that can happen is you stay the same.
I was thinking the same thing. Just go ahead and cut them lower. Maybe try 1800? At this point, it might be worth it. Do it for 3-4 weeks and see what happens.
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