Does any one think ww pro points is worse

dtracey4

Was old diet on ww better because can't seem to lose ADR much with pro points

Liftng4Lis

I have no idea what that means^.

dtracey4

Sorry it means the old ww diet worked does any one else think new pro points isn't as good

Liftng4Lis

dtracey4 wrote: »

Sorry it means the old ww diet worked does any one else think new pro points isn't as good

Whew! I know a lot of people have lost on WW. I personally, have never tried it. I do know that MFP works and its free

Alatariel75

I have been a lifetime WW member since 1997 and Pro Points is what made me quit for good. I honestly wonder if people were being TOO successful on their old program and weren't 'return customers' so they changed it up so that it would be easier to fail while still thinking you're on the program.

dtracey4

Yes that's what I've gathered since being on here I'm hoping to shift last stone

dtracey4

Thankyou a lot of people don't seem to happy I've asked the question but I've been back on w w doing pro points and getting no where I lost three stone before

wizzybeth

I did the FlexPoints program...it worked ok for weight loss but not so well for tracking nutrition. MFP is superior imho simply because it does allow me to track all nutrients not just fat fiber and calories.

Alatariel75

dtracey4 wrote: »

Thankyou a lot of people don't seem to happy I've asked the question but I've been back on w w doing pro points and getting no where I lost three stone before

I hear that a lot. They seem to have a climbing rate of discontent among previously happy customers. I love MFP, it works and I stick with it.

dtracey4

Yes I agree and you can find most foods on mfp instead of guessing

dtracey4

I know one of my meetings used to be rammed they had to close it recently no members

dtracey4

You'd think they'd bring it back to old way

Alatariel75

I think it will take a while of their membership dwindling before they rethink. They seem to have added an exercise thing now too, it's like they keep trying to bring people back with new stuff rather than realising that the old way was what people liked.

dtracey4

Yeah I totally agree

Liftin4food

Pro points have been around for a few years me now. They certainly were the plan when I tried WW at least 3 years ago - it may have been longer.

I found WW very harsh - that may have just been my local group though. But I have friends that like the programme. And that have seen results - so it's working for them.

At the time I joined they were happy for existing members to follow the old plan instead - like I said that was years ago. What I have seen is the purposeful reworking of the plan every so often. As each plan seems to work - I suspect money I making tactic out of existing members - but not stayed long enough to find out.

But if you preferred the old plan I'm sure you could google sufficient info to follow it - if you don't still have the old merchandise.

Christine_72

Does WW still count fruit n veggies as freebies?

disneygirl626

christinev297 wrote: »

Does WW still count fruit n veggies as freebies?

To my knowledge, yes they do. I actually think this is why a lot of people don't succeed anymore. Fruits used to cost points (I don't know about veggies) and now they don't. That could be hundreds of extra calories every day that don't count in any way.

Christine_72

Yeah for sure. I can see people downing loads of bananas, apples grapes etc on top of their set calories. ....

jkal1979

christinev297 wrote: »

Yeah for sure. I can see people downing loads of bananas, apples grapes etc on top of their set calories. ....

I did WW a few years ago and one of the frequent topics on their message boards was about how evil bananas were. People would eat 3-5 of them a day (along with more servings of fruits and veggies) and couldn't figure out why they couldn't lose since they were supposed to be "free". Starchy veggies and avocados still had points.

dtracey4

Yeah think that caught a few people out

gothchiq

Holy cow! I tried weight watchers back in like... 2005? At that point in time it was very restrictive and when I calculated the calorie allowance of the points worth of foods they permitted me, it averaged to like 800 calories a day. Felt like I was gonna die, quit the program. I see they have swung in the opposite direction!

dtracey4

I do agree but I kept up with it cheated a bit and lost loads I used to exercise to eat more

freckles2002

My fitness pal in far superior to WW imo. Not counting calories in veggies and especially fruit leads people into a false sense of security. Also there are so many really knowledgable people here on map and its FREE!!!

jeneveg

I did pro points and dropped 3st fairly easily. I then learnt to 'cheat' and would make massive bowls of no point curry and fruit salad and 'spend' my pps on wine or cake instead. Unsurprisingly I put 1.5st back on as although the meals had zero points they had a shed load of calories!!

dtracey4

I am losing but it's slow

snarlingcoyote

I was even a leader back in the day. Loved the old system, really do not like the new. 5 free servings of veggies only was great, and the plan eventually, sneakily, got you to eat healthily. This new plan. . .too easy to cheat it, no real way to figure out points on your own.

ashleycde

I don't exactly understand how WW points work, just because because I know very little about it about it, but I've heard a lot grumbling about the newer system, what ever it may be, being less effective, so you're definitely not alone in your opinion. I have heard something about fruit not counting as points (I assume this is something new, because it's been grumbled about) so I imagine that can't be very helpful because I know I can easily eat 300+ calories of fruit on a normal day, and if I weren't counting calories and thought they wouldn't impede my weight loss goals in anyway I'd probably be tripling that number because fruit is awesome.

This might be a silly question, but if the old WW way worked for you and the new doesn't, can you keep using the old way or is that somehow made impossible because of brand marketing or something? If it is impossible to use the old way, try the MFP, you're already on here anyway. Or welcome, if you're already using it/here/us.

vchan000

I guess I'm the anomaly in that I've been doing better on the new system than the old. Joined in 2005 and lasted about six months on it before it petered out eventually, don't even remember why. I've been on the current plan since November, and average just over 2lbs a week drop. It's not linear, but it's pretty steady!

I don't know if I'm shifting to MFP entirely after this, but I'm currently double logging to see the actual calorie breakdowns of what I'm eating. As for the free fruits and vegetables on WW, if you take it with some common sense attached it works out fine. Anyone who eats their bodyweight in fruit because it's free is being pretty willfully blind to.. well, science.

Vegetables makes more sense to me, in that it actually takes some effort to eat enough of them to cause problems. Again, common sense has to be applied.

I do find WW meetings ridiculous though, and run through the online only option. I need neither a cheerleader nor someone trying to sell me crappy thin sliced dry bread on a weekly basis.

ColinsMommaOC

There is a way to make fruit/veggies count as points. If you create your own recipes and add them as an ingredient it automatically assigns them a point value. I don't particularly like the new system either, but there are ways to get around the stupid aspects of it.

indunna

Points are just a proxy for calories which might have made sense back in the day when calorie info was less available. And, yes, the new points are a worse proxy than the old points because by weighting "unhealthy" calories more heavily than "healthy" calories they give a distorted idea that by eating "healthy" one is somehow eating less and will magically lose weight. I quit about 3 weeks in when I kept finding myself having to go to places like MFP to figure out how many calories were in my food so I could rig my points to more realistically account for the calories in fruits, veggies, and high fiber foods.

an0nemus

I dropped about 75 lbs on WW about 10 years ago (put 60 of it back on...imagine that?).
In the system they had points were easy to figure out

cals/50 + fat/12 -fiber(<=4)/5= points.

I had spreadsheets for tracking, but then a few years back they made the point system needlessly complicated so I gave up, and joined MFP. The weight loss here is slow (to me), but it works when I work at it (imagine that!).