Too good to be true!!?
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toniwarren106 wrote: »It is not just as simple as calories in/calories out. Yes, that may be the bulk of it, but consuming too much fat and sugar will not help you lose weight. Your body will store all of that fat and sugar if you do not use it up.
Actually, it *IS* just that simple.
Where do these folks come up with this horse hockey?
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SergeantSausage wrote: »toniwarren106 wrote: »It is not just as simple as calories in/calories out. Yes, that may be the bulk of it, but consuming too much fat and sugar will not help you lose weight. Your body will store all of that fat and sugar if you do not use it up.
Actually, it *IS* just that simple.
Where do these folks come up with this horse hockey?
I have no idea where/how, but it's horrible misinformation.0 -
OMG I am so excited. So you are going to be nice and sensible for 24 hours. And I won't say the word Paleo for 24 hours. Deal.
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missiontofitness wrote: »SergeantSausage wrote: »toniwarren106 wrote: »It is not just as simple as calories in/calories out. Yes, that may be the bulk of it, but consuming too much fat and sugar will not help you lose weight. Your body will store all of that fat and sugar if you do not use it up.
Actually, it *IS* just that simple.
Where do these folks come up with this horse hockey?
I have no idea where/how, but it's horrible misinformation.
It really is, isn't it?
Thing is, I used to think that fat and sugar made me fat. It was a rude awakening.....
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MrM27 - I'm impressed. That is the most sensible answer I have ever read from you.
I know right!! Maybe he's getting the gist of catching more flies with honey than vinegar. . Not to mention the huge amount of flags he's accrued may be telling him something.
not having a go MrM, it's just much nicer reading pleasant posts, than rude or condescending ones
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Yes, there's nothing like the rosey glow of a new venture to get your motivation in gear. It's how we builld up a history of success to draw on when we crash. 0
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christinev297 wrote: »MrM27 - I'm impressed. That is the most sensible answer I have ever read from you.
I know right!! Maybe he's getting the gist of catching more flies with honey than vinegar. . Not to mention the huge amount of flags he's accrued may be telling him something.
not having a go MrM, it's just much nicer reading pleasant posts, than rude or condescending ones
Now you're just trying to provoke him. :laugh:0 -
I don't think his posts are rude or condescending. Of course, rude and condescending are pretty much in one's perception.christinev297 wrote: »MrM27 - I'm impressed. That is the most sensible answer I have ever read from you.
I know right!! Maybe he's getting the gist of catching more flies with honey than vinegar. . Not to mention the huge amount of flags he's accrued may be telling him something.
not having a go MrM, it's just much nicer reading pleasant posts, than rude or condescending ones
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ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »MrM27 - I'm impressed. That is the most sensible answer I have ever read from you.
I know right!! Maybe he's getting the gist of catching more flies with honey than vinegar. . Not to mention the huge amount of flags he's accrued may be telling him something.
not having a go MrM, it's just much nicer reading pleasant posts, than rude or condescending ones
Now you're just trying to provoke him. :laugh:
lol I promise I'm not. Credit given where credit is due xx
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toniwarren106 wrote: »It is not just as simple as calories in/calories out. Yes, that may be the bulk of it, but consuming too much fat and sugar will not help you lose weight. Your body will store all of that fat and sugar if you do not use it up.
I was going to bold the last statement and suggest you disregard it, but really... just disregard the entire post. Calories in, calories out. Period. Sugar and fat are not magically going to cause you to gain weight or fail to lose weight--unless you're consuming enough of those things to move from being in a deficit to being at maintenance or a surplus.
I'm with this reply completely.
As long as you are in a calorie deficit, you will loose weight.0 -
I will say to the OP that it is important from a "feeling good" standpoint to make sure you meet your nutritional requirements. If you don't consume enough iron, fat, and protein...you may feel more fatigued. I feel so much better when I eat foods that are nutritionally rich. That said I have my days of "Who cares" attitude and consume wine chocolate and other sweets every so often instead of those dang veggies and meats...lol...but I'd recommend making sure you get your protein, iron, calcium, potassium, etc.0
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All the above
Its very simple calories in vs calories out
Just make sure you weigh all your solid food and not do like a half cup of strawberries
Weigh them!
liquids you can measure
And yes than it is very simple
btw when your short eat some more dense calories food...like almonds or an avocado etc.
They will up your total in no time
Good luck on your journey
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emmaprov2015 wrote: »Can I honestly eat what I want as long as I stay within my given calories per day!
As long as you're counting accurately...yes, it will work.
But many people don't log accurately, so make sure you have that locked down.
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I limit my carbs and sugars and I often have a hard time meeting my calorie minimums. Sometimes I need to eat some extra protein or good fats.
You should also make sure all the numbers add up. Find an online calc for BMR and adjust accordingly. Make sure your MFP numbers are correct.0 -
SatietyQueen wrote: »SergeantSausage wrote: »toniwarren106 wrote: »It is not just as simple as calories in/calories out. Yes, that may be the bulk of it, but consuming too much fat and sugar will not help you lose weight. Your body will store all of that fat and sugar if you do not use it up.
Actually, it *IS* just that simple.
Where do these folks come up with this horse hockey?
No, it is not that simple.
We have a bunch of veteran calorie counters on this site talking to each other. For these "veterans," counting calories comes as easy as brushing their teeth or driving a car.
Nonsense. All of us were new once. And understanding how it actually works, instead of believing idiotic myths about the magical powers of eating too much fat made it possible for me, for one, to succeed. Telling people the truth does not hurt them. They are grown ups, they can figure out how not to be hungry.
Now, if you also want to give helpful advice about what worked for you--as opposed to a lie like "if you eat a cookie it will be like a fat pill and make the diet not work"--great. For example, I experimented with different macros and found that eating balanced macros at all meals helped me feel more satisfied. I also found that FOR ME not snacking much and eating 3 decent-sized meals (sometimes with a post workout snack) was the most satisfying and enjoyable way to eat. For me, and I suspect for most, it's helpful to eat a good volume of veggies and some fruit and healthy too. So on.The fact is the vast majority (and I mean vast majority) of people who start a diet, whether they count calories or don't count calories, fail miserably because they are hungry. Look it up.
Do they fail because they are hungry, or because they are unhappy with what they are eating and unsatisfied? Different things. I seriously think a lot more people believe silly myths about how you have to eat in a rigid complicated way when dieting or it won't work (and also have some ingrained idea about self-punishment and sacrifice being good vs. self indulgence being bad) than can't figure out how to eat so as not to be hungry, which is really not very complicated unless you are very dumb. Or, more likely, simply not interested in eating in the way you know would address the issue since you are not yet ready or simply don't like the relevant foods vs. how you are eating (more common).It's tough to go from an "all you can eat" diet to a 1,500-calorie diet just like that.
Reading the forums here proves otherwise. Many, many people even at calories far lower than they need are motivated at the beginning of a diet and not hungry. The reason is that none of us are that hungry--hunger is often a psychological reaction to a belief that you are deprived.
I'm sure some percentage of overweight people are because they honestly have issues with hunger, but I suspect it's a minority and common sense would help them figure out how to deal with the issue.
But perhaps you think they are all idiots.0 -
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lemurcat12 wrote: »SatietyQueen wrote: »SergeantSausage wrote: »toniwarren106 wrote: »It is not just as simple as calories in/calories out. Yes, that may be the bulk of it, but consuming too much fat and sugar will not help you lose weight. Your body will store all of that fat and sugar if you do not use it up.
Actually, it *IS* just that simple.
Where do these folks come up with this horse hockey?
No, it is not that simple.
We have a bunch of veteran calorie counters on this site talking to each other. For these "veterans," counting calories comes as easy as brushing their teeth or driving a car.
Nonsense. All of us were new once. And understanding how it actually works, instead of believing idiotic myths about the magical powers of eating too much fat made it possible for me, for one, to succeed. Telling people the truth does not hurt them. They are grown ups, they can figure out how not to be hungry.
Now, if you also want to give helpful advice about what worked for you--as opposed to a lie like "if you eat a cookie it will be like a fat pill and make the diet not work"--great. For example, I experimented with different macros and found that eating balanced macros at all meals helped me feel more satisfied. I also found that FOR ME not snacking much and eating 3 decent-sized meals (sometimes with a post workout snack) was the most satisfying and enjoyable way to eat. For me, and I suspect for most, it's helpful to eat a good volume of veggies and some fruit and healthy too. So on.The fact is the vast majority (and I mean vast majority) of people who start a diet, whether they count calories or don't count calories, fail miserably because they are hungry. Look it up.
Do they fail because they are hungry, or because they are unhappy with what they are eating and unsatisfied? Different things. I seriously think a lot more people believe silly myths about how you have to eat in a rigid complicated way when dieting or it won't work (and also have some ingrained idea about self-punishment and sacrifice being good vs. self indulgence being bad) than can't figure out how to eat so as not to be hungry, which is really not very complicated unless you are very dumb. Or, more likely, simply not interested in eating in the way you know would address the issue since you are not yet ready or simply don't like the relevant foods vs. how you are eating (more common).It's tough to go from an "all you can eat" diet to a 1,500-calorie diet just like that.
Reading the forums here proves otherwise. Many, many people even at calories far lower than they need are motivated at the beginning of a diet and not hungry. The reason is that none of us are that hungry--hunger is often a psychological reaction to a belief that you are deprived.
I'm sure some percentage of overweight people are because they honestly have issues with hunger, but I suspect it's a minority and common sense would help them figure out how to deal with the issue.
But perhaps you think they are all idiots.
Spot on.
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SatietyQueen wrote: »SergeantSausage wrote: »toniwarren106 wrote: »It is not just as simple as calories in/calories out. Yes, that may be the bulk of it, but consuming too much fat and sugar will not help you lose weight. Your body will store all of that fat and sugar if you do not use it up.
Actually, it *IS* just that simple.
Where do these folks come up with this horse hockey?
No, it is not that simple.
We have a bunch of veteran calorie counters on this site talking to each other. For these "veterans," counting calories comes as easy as brushing their teeth or driving a car.
The fact is the vast majority (and I mean vast majority) of people who start a diet, whether they count calories or don't count calories, fail miserably because they are hungry. Look it up.
So it's easy say something like, "as long as you're in a deficit you will lose weight." Easier said than done. Meanwhile, there is very little discussion about the magic word - SATIETY. It's tough to go from an "all you can eat" diet to a 1,500-calorie diet just like that.
So if 300 calories of "A" does a much better job of keeping you satiated than 300 calories of "B," then effectively, a calorie is not a calorie for most people. You just have to figure out what "A" is for you to help you stay within your goal.
For me, a bacon and eggs breakfast or lunch keeps me much more satiated than a bagel and whatever. And the bacon and eggs has fewer calories than the bagel. But that's just me.
I agree with you. Most people will find bacon and eggs more filling than a bagel. I don't know why that's controversial around here. Especially because it's due to macronutrients. However people get there is fine by me.
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SatietyQueen wrote: »SatietyQueen wrote: »SergeantSausage wrote: »toniwarren106 wrote: »It is not just as simple as calories in/calories out. Yes, that may be the bulk of it, but consuming too much fat and sugar will not help you lose weight. Your body will store all of that fat and sugar if you do not use it up.
Actually, it *IS* just that simple.
Where do these folks come up with this horse hockey?
No, it is not that simple.
We have a bunch of veteran calorie counters on this site talking to each other. For these "veterans," counting calories comes as easy as brushing their teeth or driving a car.
The fact is the vast majority (and I mean vast majority) of people who start a diet, whether they count calories or don't count calories, fail miserably because they are hungry. Look it up.
So it's easy say something like, "as long as you're in a deficit you will lose weight." Easier said than done. Meanwhile, there is very little discussion about the magic word - SATIETY. It's tough to go from an "all you can eat" diet to a 1,500-calorie diet just like that.
So if 300 calories of "A" does a much better job of keeping you satiated than 300 calories of "B," then effectively, a calorie is not a calorie for most people. You just have to figure out what "A" is for you to help you stay within your goal.
For me, a bacon and eggs breakfast or lunch keeps me much more satiated than a bagel and whatever. And the bacon and eggs has fewer calories than the bagel. But that's just me.
I agree with you. Most people will find bacon and eggs more filling than a bagel. I don't know why that's controversial around here. Especially because it's due to macronutrients. However people get there is fine by me.
I know, I know. And I said the bacon and eggs fills ME up more than the bagel. I did not say it will fill everybody up more than the bagel.
Trying to figure out what the hysteria is all about over my pretty innocent comment.
People defend their own way of doing things, and evaluate what they see according to their perspective. I think a lot of people who are hell-bent on educating the world about the neutrality of Twinkies originally came from a deprivation mentality (banning food groups or whatever), and then discovered that moderation allowed them to eat things they thought they couldn't, and further, that they could still lose. So it was a revelation for them, and they think it's important to share it. They're right that including these kinds of foods, at some point, helps people stay on diets long-term.
I think that quite a lot of people in North America, especially, gained weight by eating low-value food, consequently failing to understand what satiety feels like, and then, eating too much. For them, satiety is a revelation. So, I agree with you that attending to food quality can help those people learn this in the first instance, and that it's an important preliminary phase for those who lack that experiential knowledge. (Then, it's easier for them to have Twinkies or whatever with more confidence.)0 -
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LOL.
Keep it up anyway! Great work as usual. Now in this case, you have other inspiring and inquiring minds reading it and being convinced, perhaps to not even comment foolishly, but rethink their stance on the matter.0 -
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SatietyQueen wrote: »
Who is talking about coke vs diet coke but you? Don't think that you are the only person that has heard of the word satiety because it's in your screen name. We're actually pretty good at giving people advice on how to do things properly and have the ability to explain why we say what we do. Don't be one of those people that pop up on scene and claim to have the psychology of how new people think. We were all new at some point. And before you call people idiots pay attention to whom you are actually addressing because you might find yourself in the middle of a debate that you can't handle.SatietyQueen wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »SatietyQueen wrote: »SergeantSausage wrote: »toniwarren106 wrote: »It is not just as simple as calories in/calories out. Yes, that may be the bulk of it, but consuming too much fat and sugar will not help you lose weight. Your body will store all of that fat and sugar if you do not use it up.
Actually, it *IS* just that simple.
Where do these folks come up with this horse hockey?
No, it is not that simple.
We have a bunch of veteran calorie counters on this site talking to each other. For these "veterans," counting calories comes as easy as brushing their teeth or driving a car.
Nonsense. All of us were new once. And understanding how it actually works, instead of believing idiotic myths about the magical powers of eating too much fat made it possible for me, for one, to succeed. Telling people the truth does not hurt them. They are grown ups, they can figure out how not to be hungry.
Now, if you also want to give helpful advice about what worked for you--as opposed to a lie like "if you eat a cookie it will be like a fat pill and make the diet not work"--great. For example, I experimented with different macros and found that eating balanced macros at all meals helped me feel more satisfied. I also found that FOR ME not snacking much and eating 3 decent-sized meals (sometimes with a post workout snack) was the most satisfying and enjoyable way to eat. For me, and I suspect for most, it's helpful to eat a good volume of veggies and some fruit and healthy too. So on.The fact is the vast majority (and I mean vast majority) of people who start a diet, whether they count calories or don't count calories, fail miserably because they are hungry. Look it up.
Do they fail because they are hungry, or because they are unhappy with what they are eating and unsatisfied? Different things. I seriously think a lot more people believe silly myths about how you have to eat in a rigid complicated way when dieting or it won't work (and also have some ingrained idea about self-punishment and sacrifice being good vs. self indulgence being bad) than can't figure out how to eat so as not to be hungry, which is really not very complicated unless you are very dumb. Or, more likely, simply not interested in eating in the way you know would address the issue since you are not yet ready or simply don't like the relevant foods vs. how you are eating (more common).It's tough to go from an "all you can eat" diet to a 1,500-calorie diet just like that.
Reading the forums here proves otherwise. Many, many people even at calories far lower than they need are motivated at the beginning of a diet and not hungry. The reason is that none of us are that hungry--hunger is often a psychological reaction to a belief that you are deprived.
I'm sure some percentage of overweight people are because they honestly have issues with hunger, but I suspect it's a minority and common sense would help them figure out how to deal with the issue.
But perhaps you think they are all idiots.
I make a common sense suggestion of finding foods that fill you up, and somehow you are taken aback. You think I'm making it up that bacon and eggs fill me up more than bagels? You think when you're starting out on this journey you should drink Coke instead of Diet Coke? Give me a break! I'll have to think about who the idiot is.
You win. Eat what you want newbies. It is 100% certain that you will succeed if you just count calories. Don't bother trying to find foods that make it easier for you to avoid hunger pangs and help you stay within your calorie goal. Just because MrM can do it, so can you. It's easy.
And by the way, I was the one who was accused of thinking people on this site are idiots. I did not start this battle.
Stick around a little longer and pay attention to the advice that people actually get about eating foods that meet there macronutrients, macronutrients, Vitamins and Minerals before moving into discretionary calories before you start judging what advice people are giving new members. Also, don't forget, you're new here too.
To be fair, the huge emphasis on CICO here can overshadow this point.0 -
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Omg speaking of cico I've been involved in a debate on fu**book all damn day trying to explain the simplicity of cico!! It started with someone stating that cico doesn't work for 98% of the population. I'm truly about to lose it!! They can kick me out for all I care pppfffttt0
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I don't disagree with that. But I also think it's not too much trouble for people to add to the CICO refrain, "and it's easiest to abide by this if you watch your macros, and your health will be better if you watch your micros". I actually think it's really important.
This site has a reputation for support and knowledge-sharing - it has credibility and an ethos that people believe in (because, "MFP works" for so many). Some (more than a few) think, "A calorie is a calorie, and I'm doing CICO, but it sucks and I'm hungry all the time (or binge)".
People come to MFP in all kinds of situations, with different vulnerabilities, skills, and blind spots. (One of the blind spots new people often have is a focus on weight loss only. That's not right, either. Anyone over 30 needs to pay attention to health.) So I don't think it's too much for those who know to say, "CICO for weight loss, macros for satiety within that calorie budget, micros for health, and you can have a cookie now and then".0 -
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Haha it's flowing baby
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