Kinesiologist recommends 175g protein for 136lbs woman?
iorahkwano
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Hi, I am not new to weight lifting, bulking/cutting and counting macros. As far as I know, if you want to put on muscle, the grams of protein you eat should be equal to your lean body mass (or some say your entire weight).
So I was a bit surprised when the kinesiologist at the gym said 175g of protein instead of somehere in the 120-140g range for a 136lbs, 5'6" woman.
Thoughts? I will do it if it's all good, but I know once you get too much protein, your body starts converting the extra protein into fat.
Thanks.
So I was a bit surprised when the kinesiologist at the gym said 175g of protein instead of somehere in the 120-140g range for a 136lbs, 5'6" woman.
Thoughts? I will do it if it's all good, but I know once you get too much protein, your body starts converting the extra protein into fat.
Thanks.
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what is a Kinesiologist????
if you want to gain muscle you need to eat in a calorie surplus. You also want to get about 40-50% of your calories from carbs and then fill in rest with protein and fat. If you are 136 pounds then yes about 120 to 140 grams would be about right. However, there is nothing wrong with having more protein….
you might want to read the sticky on here about bulking, there is some great info in it.0 -
Yes, I did read it. I recall it saying grams of protein should be equal to lbs of lean body mass. I have no problem eating at a surplus, I'm not afraid to gain weight. I just don't want to over-stuff myself if I don't have to.
A kinesiologist is apparently a trainer at a gym that "plans training, physical preparation and follow-up of athletes and sports teams."
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what is a Kinesiologist????
Per wikipedia: Kinesiology, also known as human kinetics, is the scientific study of human movement. Kinesiology addresses physiological, mechanical, and psychological mechanisms. Applications of kinesiology to human health include biomechanics and orthopedics; strength and conditioning; sport psychology; methods of rehabilitation, such as physical and occupational therapy; and sport and exercise. Individuals who have earned degrees in kinesiology can work in research, the fitness industry, clinical settings, and in industrial environments.
OP, the body stores excess calorie consumption as fat and doesn't particularly care if those calories come from protein or another source. So extra protein is no more likely to end up in fat gain.
OTOH I'm not sure that "more is better" really applies in this case, as apparently the body can only make use of so much protein at any given time and the rest is waste.
Perhaps the kinesiologist doesn't have much faith in your ability to accurately track protein intake and wanted to build in a bit of a buffer for error? I dunno, just a thought.0 -
iorahkwano wrote: »Yes, I did read it. I recall it saying grams of protein should be equal to lbs of lean body mass. I have no problem eating at a surplus, I'm not afraid to gain weight. I just don't want to over-stuff myself if I don't have to.
A kinesiologist is apparently a trainer at a gym that "plans training, physical preparation and follow-up of athletes and sports teams."
Oh Ok, never heard of that before.
I would suggest that you make sure that you hit your minimum protein/fat/carb intakes and then fill the rest in with carbs…
really the caloric surplus is king in a bulk ….0 -
You're fine with the 120-140g range.0
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iorahkwano wrote: »Hi, I am not new to weight lifting, bulking/cutting and counting macros. As far as I know, if you want to put on muscle, the grams of protein you eat should be equal to your lean body mass (or some say your entire weight).
So I was a bit surprised when the kinesiologist at the gym said 175g of protein instead of somehere in the 120-140g range for a 136lbs, 5'6" woman.
Thoughts? I will do it if it's all good, but I know once you get too much protein, your body starts converting the extra protein into fat.
Thanks.
I'm 5'6 and 133-135. I can't imagine trying to eat 175 grams. blah. Good luck with whatever you decide. I personally think that's too much.0 -
At 1600 calories per day hitting 140 grams of protein is very difficult...175 would be almost impossible unless very low carb. Totally unnecessary too and you will end up eliminating the excess anyway.0
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I assume this kinesiologist has at minimum a degree in kin and there is certification as well. You should question the reason why he or she advocates such a high amount of protein and ask for the specific research to back it up. Also, he or she probably shouldn't be proscribing a diet anyway if he or she isn't a RD but that's a whole other area of discussion.
You should always ask for reasons when something doesn't sound right rather than just take their word for it no matter what title they go by.0 -
I am 5'4" and weigh a bit less than you and I aim for 110 to 120. I do cardio and lift weights every other day 6 days a week. Run your numbers through an online calculator and see what they come up with for your age, height, weight, BMI if you know it and your activity levels.
If you track your numbers already like your BMI, TDEE, and keep up with your calorie burn you can get a good approx. to shoot for and you can setup your macros under custom setting in MFP..0 -
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LolBroScience wrote: »You're fine with the 120-140g range.
^^this*.
*assuming you are maintaining or bulking, and even if cutting its probably ample.
Personally, I would put the excess calories to carbs (or create a smaller surplus) but it really depends on how your fats are, performance and personal preference.0 -
FWIW, my highest protein goal is 170g - thats when I am cutting. Its higher than usual as there is some argument to higher protein when older so it was a bit of a 'try it and see;. Usually my goal when cutting is 150 - 160g and when maintaining its 135 - 145g (these are set by my coach). I weigh quite a bit more than you - around the 161 - 163lb mark.0
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I bulk and cut just fine on .8g of protein per lb of body weight. I think any more than that is a waste, expensive, hard on the kidneys and digestive system and cutting into valuable carbs and fat.
It doesn't matter what macro it is, if you eat more calories than you need it will go to fat UNLESS you are progressively heavy lifting 3 x per week all body, then you may get half muscle to half fat gain.0 -
FWIW, my highest protein goal is 170g - thats when I am cutting. Its higher than usual as there is some argument to higher protein when older so it was a bit of a 'try it and see;. Usually my goal when cutting is 150 - 160g and when maintaining its 135 - 145g (these are set by my coach). I weigh quite a bit more than you - around the 161 - 163lb mark.
Hi! I'm older :-( can you tell me more about why us geriatrics need more protein? I would have thought it would get 'ignored' even more by the body due to lack of hormones etc ( I'm hypothesising out loud!)0 -
Springfield1970 wrote: »FWIW, my highest protein goal is 170g - thats when I am cutting. Its higher than usual as there is some argument to higher protein when older so it was a bit of a 'try it and see;. Usually my goal when cutting is 150 - 160g and when maintaining its 135 - 145g (these are set by my coach). I weigh quite a bit more than you - around the 161 - 163lb mark.
Hi! I'm older :-( can you tell me more about why us geriatrics need more protein? I would have thought it would get 'ignored' even more by the body due to lack of hormones etc ( I'm hypothesising out loud!)
At the risk of name dropping, my coach is Alberto Nunez and I actually discussed this very briefly with Eric Helms (sorry - sounds douchy with the name dropping, but just mentioning them so you know the reliability of the source). It's nothing actually 'proven' as such - just something they are looking at and extrapolating from what is known I beleive. There is evidence that older people need bigger bolus' (sounds rude lol) to activate MPS (I think Layne discusses it on one of his vlogs). I did not get into too many details with them but I think it has to do with not being as efficient at utilizing/partitioning protein and possibly that we use more for non MPS purposes.
Typing this out makes me realize that I should have asked more questions lol.
ETA: to clarify, the higher protein comment was about possibly 'optimizing' MPS. Sort of eeking out that little bit extra - which at the end of the day is not useful if it causes adherence problems.-1 -
Great thanks! Food for thought! Mmmmmmm fooood0
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Springfield1970 wrote: »FWIW, my highest protein goal is 170g - thats when I am cutting. Its higher than usual as there is some argument to higher protein when older so it was a bit of a 'try it and see;. Usually my goal when cutting is 150 - 160g and when maintaining its 135 - 145g (these are set by my coach). I weigh quite a bit more than you - around the 161 - 163lb mark.
Hi! I'm older :-( can you tell me more about why us geriatrics need more protein? I would have thought it would get 'ignored' even more by the body due to lack of hormones etc ( I'm hypothesising out loud!)
At the risk of name dropping, my coach is Alberto Nunez and I actually discussed this very briefly with Eric Helms (sorry - sounds douchy with the name dropping, but just mentioning them so you know the reliability of the source). It's nothing actually 'proven' as such - just something they are looking at and extrapolating from what is known I beleive. There is evidence that older people need bigger bolus' (sounds rude lol) to activate MPS (I think Layne discusses it on one of his vlogs). I did not get into too many details with them but I think it has to do with not being as efficient at utilizing/partitioning protein and possibly that we use more for non MPS purposes.
Typing this out makes me realize that I should have asked more questions lol.
ETA: to clarify, the higher protein comment was about possibly 'optimizing' MPS. Sort of eeking out that little bit extra - which at the end of the day is not useful if it causes adherence problems.
Since you name dropped and referenced Layne as well, has the usage of BCAAs ever come up by Alberto or Eric to utilize in hypo-caloric states to help with MPS?0 -
Springfield1970 wrote: »FWIW, my highest protein goal is 170g - thats when I am cutting. Its higher than usual as there is some argument to higher protein when older so it was a bit of a 'try it and see;. Usually my goal when cutting is 150 - 160g and when maintaining its 135 - 145g (these are set by my coach). I weigh quite a bit more than you - around the 161 - 163lb mark.
Hi! I'm older :-( can you tell me more about why us geriatrics need more protein? I would have thought it would get 'ignored' even more by the body due to lack of hormones etc ( I'm hypothesising out loud!)
At the risk of name dropping, my coach is Alberto Nunez and I actually discussed this very briefly with Eric Helms (sorry - sounds douchy with the name dropping, but just mentioning them so you know the reliability of the source). It's nothing actually 'proven' as such - just something they are looking at and extrapolating from what is known I beleive. There is evidence that older people need bigger bolus' (sounds rude lol) to activate MPS (I think Layne discusses it on one of his vlogs). I did not get into too many details with them but I think it has to do with not being as efficient at utilizing/partitioning protein and possibly that we use more for non MPS purposes.
Typing this out makes me realize that I should have asked more questions lol.
ETA: to clarify, the higher protein comment was about possibly 'optimizing' MPS. Sort of eeking out that little bit extra - which at the end of the day is not useful if it causes adherence problems.
Since you name dropped and referenced Layne as well, has the usage of BCAAs ever come up by Alberto or Eric to utilize in hypo-caloric states to help with MPS?
Have you seen youtube video this by Eric? The series is great, but this one is on supps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tp3ZIFKkLg
They have BCAA's as a 'possibly useful as a CYA but not necessary', and unlikely to provide additional benefits in a surplus category basically.0 -
Springfield1970 wrote: »FWIW, my highest protein goal is 170g - thats when I am cutting. Its higher than usual as there is some argument to higher protein when older so it was a bit of a 'try it and see;. Usually my goal when cutting is 150 - 160g and when maintaining its 135 - 145g (these are set by my coach). I weigh quite a bit more than you - around the 161 - 163lb mark.
Hi! I'm older :-( can you tell me more about why us geriatrics need more protein? I would have thought it would get 'ignored' even more by the body due to lack of hormones etc ( I'm hypothesising out loud!)
At the risk of name dropping, my coach is Alberto Nunez and I actually discussed this very briefly with Eric Helms (sorry - sounds douchy with the name dropping, but just mentioning them so you know the reliability of the source). It's nothing actually 'proven' as such - just something they are looking at and extrapolating from what is known I beleive. There is evidence that older people need bigger bolus' (sounds rude lol) to activate MPS (I think Layne discusses it on one of his vlogs). I did not get into too many details with them but I think it has to do with not being as efficient at utilizing/partitioning protein and possibly that we use more for non MPS purposes.
Typing this out makes me realize that I should have asked more questions lol.
ETA: to clarify, the higher protein comment was about possibly 'optimizing' MPS. Sort of eeking out that little bit extra - which at the end of the day is not useful if it causes adherence problems.
Since you name dropped and referenced Layne as well, has the usage of BCAAs ever come up by Alberto or Eric to utilize in hypo-caloric states to help with MPS?
Have you seen youtube video this by Eric? The series is great, but this one is on supps.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tp3ZIFKkLg
They have BCAA's as a 'possibly useful as a CYA but not necessary', and unlikely to provide additional benefits in a surplus category basically.
Yep, have watched it many times. I just know Layne is a proponent of them (taking their potential efficacy in context of being minimal in the overall scope of things), but didn't know if Eric's thoughts on the matter had shifted since he did the series and as you mention, the older populace having to take in larger boluses of protein (thus more luecine) to activate MPS events. Also, my statement was in a hypo-caloric situation and not hyper...I know your statement was about "in a surplus category..." My thoughts were just utilizing BCAAs to stimulate those events at points where larger protein intake is not possible due to logistics or wanting to have a greater focus on say... carbs, yet being able to ingest BCAAs to induce MPS events without too many added calories.
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Have you and Alberto shared some Pop Tarts next to the fireplace on a crisp winter's night?Springfield1970 wrote: »FWIW, my highest protein goal is 170g - thats when I am cutting. Its higher than usual as there is some argument to higher protein when older so it was a bit of a 'try it and see;. Usually my goal when cutting is 150 - 160g and when maintaining its 135 - 145g (these are set by my coach). I weigh quite a bit more than you - around the 161 - 163lb mark.
Hi! I'm older :-( can you tell me more about why us geriatrics need more protein? I would have thought it would get 'ignored' even more by the body due to lack of hormones etc ( I'm hypothesising out loud!)
At the risk of name dropping, my coach is Alberto Nunez and I actually discussed this very briefly with Eric Helms (sorry - sounds douchy with the name dropping, but just mentioning them so you know the reliability of the source). It's nothing actually 'proven' as such - just something they are looking at and extrapolating from what is known I beleive. There is evidence that older people need bigger bolus' (sounds rude lol) to activate MPS (I think Layne discusses it on one of his vlogs). I did not get into too many details with them but I think it has to do with not being as efficient at utilizing/partitioning protein and possibly that we use more for non MPS purposes.
Typing this out makes me realize that I should have asked more questions lol.
ETA: to clarify, the higher protein comment was about possibly 'optimizing' MPS. Sort of eeking out that little bit extra - which at the end of the day is not useful if it causes adherence problems.
lolnope. But he did bring a big box of donuts at the meet USAPL meet I did in SoCal last November where a bunch of 3DMJ'ers were competing/supporting.-1 -
Springfield1970 wrote: »FWIW, my highest protein goal is 170g - thats when I am cutting. Its higher than usual as there is some argument to higher protein when older so it was a bit of a 'try it and see;. Usually my goal when cutting is 150 - 160g and when maintaining its 135 - 145g (these are set by my coach). I weigh quite a bit more than you - around the 161 - 163lb mark.
Hi! I'm older :-( can you tell me more about why us geriatrics need more protein? I would have thought it would get 'ignored' even more by the body due to lack of hormones etc ( I'm hypothesising out loud!)
At the risk of name dropping, my coach is Alberto Nunez and I actually discussed this very briefly with Eric Helms (sorry - sounds douchy with the name dropping, but just mentioning them so you know the reliability of the source). It's nothing actually 'proven' as such - just something they are looking at and extrapolating from what is known I beleive. There is evidence that older people need bigger bolus' (sounds rude lol) to activate MPS (I think Layne discusses it on one of his vlogs). I did not get into too many details with them but I think it has to do with not being as efficient at utilizing/partitioning protein and possibly that we use more for non MPS purposes.
Typing this out makes me realize that I should have asked more questions lol.
ETA: to clarify, the higher protein comment was about possibly 'optimizing' MPS. Sort of eeking out that little bit extra - which at the end of the day is not useful if it causes adherence problems.
Since you name dropped and referenced Layne as well, has the usage of BCAAs ever come up by Alberto or Eric to utilize in hypo-caloric states to help with MPS?
Have you seen youtube video this by Eric? The series is great, but this one is on supps.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tp3ZIFKkLg
They have BCAA's as a 'possibly useful as a CYA but not necessary', and unlikely to provide additional benefits in a surplus category basically.
Yep, have watched it many times. I just know Layne is a proponent of them (taking their potential efficacy in context of being minimal in the overall scope of things), but didn't know if Eric's thoughts on the matter had shifted since he did the series and as you mention, the older populace having to take in larger boluses of protein (thus more luecine) to activate MPS events. Also, my statement was in a hypo-caloric situation and not hyper...I know your statement was about "in a surplus category..." My thoughts were just utilizing BCAAs to stimulate those events at points where larger protein intake is not possible due to logistics or wanting to have a greater focus on say... carbs, yet being able to ingest BCAAs to induce MPS events without too many added calories.
Uggghhh...sorry, mis-read the hypo/hyper. I have not directly discussed directly (not sure if SS has as Eric is his coach and he nerds out with him). As far as I am aware, their thoughts have not changed on the use of BCAAs. The larger bolus study(s) have been around for a while so there is nothing new with that. I don't think (or at least I am not aware) of studies that look at the efficacy of BCAAs for the older population - although as I type this, something is niggling my brain about it so I may be doing some google-fu'ing today.
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The larger bolus study(s) have been around for a while so there is nothing new with that. I don't think (or at least I am not aware) of studies that look at the efficacy of BCAAs for the older population - although as I type this, something is niggling my brain about it so I may be doing some google-fu'ing today.
Interested in this concept as well since I a) am > 50 and b) tend not to hit my protein target very often.
I recently started doing 5g BCAAs pre-workout just for fun... well, CYA really since I work out fasted, probably 12ish hours after my last significant protein meal... and so far it seems to slightly benefit stamina anyway. (Could be placebo effect, could be the fact that I'm finally recovering from a nasty sinus infection.)
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The larger bolus study(s) have been around for a while so there is nothing new with that. I don't think (or at least I am not aware) of studies that look at the efficacy of BCAAs for the older population - although as I type this, something is niggling my brain about it so I may be doing some google-fu'ing today.
Interested in this concept as well since I a) am > 50 and b) tend not to hit my protein target very often.
I recently started doing 5g BCAAs pre-workout just for fun... well, CYA really since I work out fasted, probably 12ish hours after my last significant protein meal... and so far it seems to slightly benefit stamina anyway. (Could be placebo effect, could be the fact that I'm finally recovering from a nasty sinus infection.)
BCAAs are generally considered to be more likely to be beneficial when training fasted. Personally, I just have whey protein in my coffee if I train in the morning as I usually am not hungry in the morning.0 -
Springfield1970 wrote: »FWIW, my highest protein goal is 170g - thats when I am cutting. Its higher than usual as there is some argument to higher protein when older so it was a bit of a 'try it and see;. Usually my goal when cutting is 150 - 160g and when maintaining its 135 - 145g (these are set by my coach). I weigh quite a bit more than you - around the 161 - 163lb mark.
Hi! I'm older :-( can you tell me more about why us geriatrics need more protein? I would have thought it would get 'ignored' even more by the body due to lack of hormones etc ( I'm hypothesising out loud!)
At the risk of name dropping, my coach is Alberto Nunez and I actually discussed this very briefly with Eric Helms (sorry - sounds douchy with the name dropping, but just mentioning them so you know the reliability of the source). It's nothing actually 'proven' as such - just something they are looking at and extrapolating from what is known I beleive. There is evidence that older people need bigger bolus' (sounds rude lol) to activate MPS (I think Layne discusses it on one of his vlogs). I did not get into too many details with them but I think it has to do with not being as efficient at utilizing/partitioning protein and possibly that we use more for non MPS purposes.
Typing this out makes me realize that I should have asked more questions lol.
ETA: to clarify, the higher protein comment was about possibly 'optimizing' MPS. Sort of eeking out that little bit extra - which at the end of the day is not useful if it causes adherence problems.
But you look 21 years old0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »FWIW, my highest protein goal is 170g - thats when I am cutting. Its higher than usual as there is some argument to higher protein when older so it was a bit of a 'try it and see;. Usually my goal when cutting is 150 - 160g and when maintaining its 135 - 145g (these are set by my coach). I weigh quite a bit more than you - around the 161 - 163lb mark.
Hi! I'm older :-( can you tell me more about why us geriatrics need more protein? I would have thought it would get 'ignored' even more by the body due to lack of hormones etc ( I'm hypothesising out loud!)
At the risk of name dropping, my coach is Alberto Nunez and I actually discussed this very briefly with Eric Helms (sorry - sounds douchy with the name dropping, but just mentioning them so you know the reliability of the source). It's nothing actually 'proven' as such - just something they are looking at and extrapolating from what is known I beleive. There is evidence that older people need bigger bolus' (sounds rude lol) to activate MPS (I think Layne discusses it on one of his vlogs). I did not get into too many details with them but I think it has to do with not being as efficient at utilizing/partitioning protein and possibly that we use more for non MPS purposes.
Typing this out makes me realize that I should have asked more questions lol.
ETA: to clarify, the higher protein comment was about possibly 'optimizing' MPS. Sort of eeking out that little bit extra - which at the end of the day is not useful if it causes adherence problems.
But you look 21 years old
You sweet-talker you.
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The larger bolus study(s) have been around for a while so there is nothing new with that. I don't think (or at least I am not aware) of studies that look at the efficacy of BCAAs for the older population - although as I type this, something is niggling my brain about it so I may be doing some google-fu'ing today.
Interested in this concept as well since I a) am > 50 and b) tend not to hit my protein target very often.
I recently started doing 5g BCAAs pre-workout just for fun... well, CYA really since I work out fasted, probably 12ish hours after my last significant protein meal... and so far it seems to slightly benefit stamina anyway. (Could be placebo effect, could be the fact that I'm finally recovering from a nasty sinus infection.)
BCAAs are generally considered to be more likely to be beneficial when training fasted. Personally, I just have whey protein in my coffee if I train in the morning as I usually am not hungry in the morning.
Which concurs with what I've read, and why I started taking them. Glad it might not be a total waste.
I'm really nauseous first thing in the morning, have been for decades. Never eat breakfast. I have whey protein (with water, even mixing with almond milk doesn't sit well) post-workout, but that's about an hour after I get up.
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The larger bolus study(s) have been around for a while so there is nothing new with that. I don't think (or at least I am not aware) of studies that look at the efficacy of BCAAs for the older population - although as I type this, something is niggling my brain about it so I may be doing some google-fu'ing today.
Interested in this concept as well since I a) am > 50 and b) tend not to hit my protein target very often.
I recently started doing 5g BCAAs pre-workout just for fun... well, CYA really since I work out fasted, probably 12ish hours after my last significant protein meal... and so far it seems to slightly benefit stamina anyway. (Could be placebo effect, could be the fact that I'm finally recovering from a nasty sinus infection.)
BCAAs are generally considered to be more likely to be beneficial when training fasted. Personally, I just have whey protein in my coffee if I train in the morning as I usually am not hungry in the morning.
Which concurs with what I've read, and why I started taking them. Glad it might not be a total waste.
I'm really nauseous first thing in the morning, have been for decades. Never eat breakfast. I have whey protein (with water, even mixing with almond milk doesn't sit well) post-workout, but that's about an hour after I get up.
Do you eat late the night before? Heartburn, reflux. I wouldn't be too happy about being nauseous in the morning, you're missing a great opportunity to fuel up like a mofo and have the workouts of dreams...
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Springfield1970 wrote: »The larger bolus study(s) have been around for a while so there is nothing new with that. I don't think (or at least I am not aware) of studies that look at the efficacy of BCAAs for the older population - although as I type this, something is niggling my brain about it so I may be doing some google-fu'ing today.
Interested in this concept as well since I a) am > 50 and b) tend not to hit my protein target very often.
I recently started doing 5g BCAAs pre-workout just for fun... well, CYA really since I work out fasted, probably 12ish hours after my last significant protein meal... and so far it seems to slightly benefit stamina anyway. (Could be placebo effect, could be the fact that I'm finally recovering from a nasty sinus infection.)
BCAAs are generally considered to be more likely to be beneficial when training fasted. Personally, I just have whey protein in my coffee if I train in the morning as I usually am not hungry in the morning.
Which concurs with what I've read, and why I started taking them. Glad it might not be a total waste.
I'm really nauseous first thing in the morning, have been for decades. Never eat breakfast. I have whey protein (with water, even mixing with almond milk doesn't sit well) post-workout, but that's about an hour after I get up.
Do you eat late the night before? Heartburn, reflux. I wouldn't be too happy about being nauseous in the morning, you're missing a great opportunity to fuel up like a mofo and have the workouts of dreams...
I did in the past but now I'm on a med taken at bedtime that needs an empty stomach so no food two hours prior. Supper is easily my largest meal, however.
I'm used to the nausea thing, I guess. I just tell people I've had morning sickness for the last 40 years, lol.
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Springfield1970 wrote: »FWIW, my highest protein goal is 170g - thats when I am cutting. Its higher than usual as there is some argument to higher protein when older so it was a bit of a 'try it and see;. Usually my goal when cutting is 150 - 160g and when maintaining its 135 - 145g (these are set by my coach). I weigh quite a bit more than you - around the 161 - 163lb mark.
Hi! I'm older :-( can you tell me more about why us geriatrics need more protein? I would have thought it would get 'ignored' even more by the body due to lack of hormones etc ( I'm hypothesising out loud!)
At the risk of name dropping, my coach is Alberto Nunez and I actually discussed this very briefly with Eric Helms (sorry - sounds douchy with the name dropping, but just mentioning them so you know the reliability of the source). It's nothing actually 'proven' as such - just something they are looking at and extrapolating from what is known I beleive. There is evidence that older people need bigger bolus' (sounds rude lol) to activate MPS (I think Layne discusses it on one of his vlogs). I did not get into too many details with them but I think it has to do with not being as efficient at utilizing/partitioning protein and possibly that we use more for non MPS purposes.
Typing this out makes me realize that I should have asked more questions lol.
ETA: to clarify, the higher protein comment was about possibly 'optimizing' MPS. Sort of eeking out that little bit extra - which at the end of the day is not useful if it causes adherence problems.
Since you name dropped and referenced Layne as well, has the usage of BCAAs ever come up by Alberto or Eric to utilize in hypo-caloric states to help with MPS?
Have you seen youtube video this by Eric? The series is great, but this one is on supps.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tp3ZIFKkLg
They have BCAA's as a 'possibly useful as a CYA but not necessary', and unlikely to provide additional benefits in a surplus category basically.
Yep, have watched it many times. I just know Layne is a proponent of them (taking their potential efficacy in context of being minimal in the overall scope of things), but didn't know if Eric's thoughts on the matter had shifted since he did the series and as you mention, the older populace having to take in larger boluses of protein (thus more luecine) to activate MPS events. Also, my statement was in a hypo-caloric situation and not hyper...I know your statement was about "in a surplus category..." My thoughts were just utilizing BCAAs to stimulate those events at points where larger protein intake is not possible due to logistics or wanting to have a greater focus on say... carbs, yet being able to ingest BCAAs to induce MPS events without too many added calories.
BCAAs have calories comparable to that of protein, so you couldn't substitute BCAAs to save calories.
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