Specific Carb Diet

Graceraeg

Also seems to be a lot like paleo/ primal. Basically mirrors the way our ancestors ate long ago. It eliminates a lot of carb foods and dairy. Has anyone tried this diet for medical purposes or just to loose weight? My husband has ulcerative colitis and I am going to try this diet with him.

janejellyroll

I looked up the list and the "legal" and "illegal" lists seem so random. Bourbon is legal, brandy is not. Blue cheese is legal (I guess our ancestors "long ago" had cows and aged cheeses?). Black-eyed peas are illegal, black beans are legal. Butter is legal. Buttermilk is illegal. Canned fish is legal, canned vegetables are illegal, canned fruits are legal. Coffee is legal, instant coffee is illegal. Yams, which as tubers surely were a staple in the diets of many of our ancestors, are illegal.

I can't say if this diet would have benefits for people with medical conditions, but it seems like a lot of complications for a weight loss diet. You'd be restricting a lot of things that don't compromise weight loss at all (like tomato paste, for example).

And which ancestors does this diet refer to? That's the problem with plans like this -- there tends to be a lot of vague history and inaccuracy going on.

Nony_Mouse

Graceraeg wrote: »

Also seems to be a lot like paleo/ primal. Basically mirrors the way our ancestors ate long ago. It eliminates a lot of carb foods and dairy. Has anyone tried this diet for medical purposes or just to loose weight? My husband has ulcerative colitis and I am going to try this diet with him.

Without even looking at it I bet it does no such thing, particularly if it's anything like paleo/primal. Ask any credible archaeologist. Oh, wait, I am one. Done!

Eat what you like so long as you're meeting your nutritional needs (cal intake, macros, micros), but don't do it out of some misguided belief that that is how we are 'meant' to eat.

AmazonMayan

The problem I have with paleo and primal being called our ancestors diet is that foods from around the world are included. If you were to truly eat paleo according to how some people define it, you would only be able to eat the foods available in your immediate area for that time period. The diet would be much much more limited.

One of the most ridiculous recipes I've seen labeled paleo (while searching for something else) was an avacado chocolate dessert. Really? Neither of those are native to my area.

sad_kitty

I don't know about this diet for ulcerative colitis specifically (or weight loss), but for chronic inflammatory diseases, the anti-inflammation diet may be super helpful (and often low glycemic index, as well as being nutrionally complete if done properly). You can often figure out after some time on it, which foods flare your symptoms up the most, and add back those which don't.

Nony_Mouse

AmazonMayan wrote: »

The problem I have with paleo and primal being called our ancestors diet is that foods from around the world are included. If you were to truly eat paleo according to how some people define it, you would only be able to eat the foods available in your immediate area for that time period. The diet would be much much more limited.

One of the most ridiculous recipes I've seen labeled paleo (while searching for something else) was an avacado chocolate dessert. Really? Neither of those are native to my area.

Haha, I know right?? Someone linked me to a 'paleo' protein powder on another of these threads a while back, it had protein from cattle, eggs, and was 'ancient cacao' flavoured. Trading networks were clearly far more extensive than we ever thought!

lemurcat12

There's also the question of whether I should eat based on how people ate where my ancestors would have lived (assuming I can figure that out) or where I currently live. Probably not the same for most of us.

Maybe that's the basis for the crazy mix--so long as any of your ancestors would have had access, you are free to eat it! (Yeah, I know, still probably doesn't cover most of that stuff, since we are talking plants and animals that are different.)

Nony_Mouse

lemurcat12 wrote: »

There's also the question of whether I should eat based on how people ate where my ancestors would have lived (assuming I can figure that out) or where I currently live. Probably not the same for most of us.

Maybe that's the basis for the crazy mix--so long as any of your ancestors would have had access, you are free to eat it! (Yeah, I know, still probably doesn't cover most of that stuff, since we are talking plants and animals that are different.)

Oooh, I actually know where my mitochondrial DNA traces to (a colleague who specialises in MtDNA tested a whole bunch of us at our annual conference last year)!! I'm an H3:

"Mitochondrial haplogroup H is a very common and diverse mitochondrial lineage among populations in Europe, the Near East and the Caucasus region. The lineage is likely to have evolved around 25,000 years ago in West Asia, before being transported into Europe. The timing of the entry of the lineage into Europe is subject to debate, though certain lineages such as H1 and H3 are thought to have been introduced by late Upper Palaeolithic or Mesolithic hunter-gatherers up to 18,000 years ago, while other haplogroups including H2, H5, H7, H13 and H20 have been linked to the expansion of Neolithic farmers into the area around 7000 years ago."

Nony_Mouse

I seem to recall hazelnuts were a big deal in Mesolithic Europe. Cool by me, I love them. I'll pass on the stinky fish though!

ndj1979

janejellyroll wrote: »

I looked up the list and the "legal" and "illegal" lists seem so random. Bourbon is legal, brandy is not. Blue cheese is legal (I guess our ancestors "long ago" had cows and aged cheeses?). Black-eyed peas are illegal, black beans are legal. Butter is legal. Buttermilk is illegal. Canned fish is legal, canned vegetables are illegal, canned fruits are legal. Coffee is legal, instant coffee is illegal. Yams, which as tubers surely were a staple in the diets of many of our ancestors, are illegal.

I can't say if this diet would have benefits for people with medical conditions, but it seems like a lot of complications for a weight loss diet. You'd be restricting a lot of things that don't compromise weight loss at all (like tomato paste, for example).

And which ancestors does this diet refer to? That's the problem with plans like this -- there tends to be a lot of vague history and inaccuracy going on.

I don't recall palelithic people drinking bourbon…..

I guess caves came with fully stocked bars…????

Nony_Mouse

ndj1979 wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

I looked up the list and the "legal" and "illegal" lists seem so random. Bourbon is legal, brandy is not. Blue cheese is legal (I guess our ancestors "long ago" had cows and aged cheeses?). Black-eyed peas are illegal, black beans are legal. Butter is legal. Buttermilk is illegal. Canned fish is legal, canned vegetables are illegal, canned fruits are legal. Coffee is legal, instant coffee is illegal. Yams, which as tubers surely were a staple in the diets of many of our ancestors, are illegal.

I can't say if this diet would have benefits for people with medical conditions, but it seems like a lot of complications for a weight loss diet. You'd be restricting a lot of things that don't compromise weight loss at all (like tomato paste, for example).

And which ancestors does this diet refer to? That's the problem with plans like this -- there tends to be a lot of vague history and inaccuracy going on.

I don't recall palelithic people drinking bourbon…..

I guess caves came with fully stocked bars…????

Oh, totally. But it's another one of those things that archaeologists worldwide have taken a pact to deny, just like with the aliens building the pyramids

ndj1979

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

ndj1979 wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

I looked up the list and the "legal" and "illegal" lists seem so random. Bourbon is legal, brandy is not. Blue cheese is legal (I guess our ancestors "long ago" had cows and aged cheeses?). Black-eyed peas are illegal, black beans are legal. Butter is legal. Buttermilk is illegal. Canned fish is legal, canned vegetables are illegal, canned fruits are legal. Coffee is legal, instant coffee is illegal. Yams, which as tubers surely were a staple in the diets of many of our ancestors, are illegal.

I can't say if this diet would have benefits for people with medical conditions, but it seems like a lot of complications for a weight loss diet. You'd be restricting a lot of things that don't compromise weight loss at all (like tomato paste, for example).

And which ancestors does this diet refer to? That's the problem with plans like this -- there tends to be a lot of vague history and inaccuracy going on.

I don't recall palelithic people drinking bourbon…..

I guess caves came with fully stocked bars…????

Oh, totally. But it's another one of those things that archaeologists worldwide have taken a pact to deny, just like with the aliens building the pyramids

so the guy on ancient aliens was wrong????

Nony_Mouse

ndj1979 wrote: »

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

ndj1979 wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

I looked up the list and the "legal" and "illegal" lists seem so random. Bourbon is legal, brandy is not. Blue cheese is legal (I guess our ancestors "long ago" had cows and aged cheeses?). Black-eyed peas are illegal, black beans are legal. Butter is legal. Buttermilk is illegal. Canned fish is legal, canned vegetables are illegal, canned fruits are legal. Coffee is legal, instant coffee is illegal. Yams, which as tubers surely were a staple in the diets of many of our ancestors, are illegal.

I can't say if this diet would have benefits for people with medical conditions, but it seems like a lot of complications for a weight loss diet. You'd be restricting a lot of things that don't compromise weight loss at all (like tomato paste, for example).

And which ancestors does this diet refer to? That's the problem with plans like this -- there tends to be a lot of vague history and inaccuracy going on.

I don't recall palelithic people drinking bourbon…..

I guess caves came with fully stocked bars…????

Oh, totally. But it's another one of those things that archaeologists worldwide have taken a pact to deny, just like with the aliens building the pyramids

so the guy on ancient aliens was wrong????

*gets out official archaeologists' 'things to deny happened but we're actually suppressing the truth' rule book* - Yes, yes they are wrong.

lemurcat12

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

lemurcat12 wrote: »

There's also the question of whether I should eat based on how people ate where my ancestors would have lived (assuming I can figure that out) or where I currently live. Probably not the same for most of us.

Maybe that's the basis for the crazy mix--so long as any of your ancestors would have had access, you are free to eat it! (Yeah, I know, still probably doesn't cover most of that stuff, since we are talking plants and animals that are different.)

Oooh, I actually know where my mitochondrial DNA traces to (a colleague who specialises in MtDNA tested a whole bunch of us at our annual conference last year)!! I'm an H3:

"Mitochondrial haplogroup H is a very common and diverse mitochondrial lineage among populations in Europe, the Near East and the Caucasus region. The lineage is likely to have evolved around 25,000 years ago in West Asia, before being transported into Europe. The timing of the entry of the lineage into Europe is subject to debate, though certain lineages such as H1 and H3 are thought to have been introduced by late Upper Palaeolithic or Mesolithic hunter-gatherers up to 18,000 years ago, while other haplogroups including H2, H5, H7, H13 and H20 have been linked to the expansion of Neolithic farmers into the area around 7000 years ago."

That's really cool. I read some book about the different haplogroups and so on once upon a time and wanted to be tested.

staceyseeger

Graceraeg wrote: »

Also seems to be a lot like paleo/ primal. Basically mirrors the way our ancestors ate long ago. It eliminates a lot of carb foods and dairy. Has anyone tried this diet for medical purposes or just to loose weight? My husband has ulcerative colitis and I am going to try this diet with him.

I started the Paleo lifestyle (Clean eating) over 2 years ago by my doctors orders / suggestions. I lost almost 70lbs in about 6 months by counting calories & points. I was really thin, but I felt awful. All my low-fat, high sugar processed foods were killing me. I found out that, while I wasn't a Celiac, I had a high gluten-intolerance. I have never felt better...giving up all the grains & processed foods has eliminated the little aches & pains, inflammations, etc. I recently eliminated caffeine, all processed sugars/sweeteners & fruit - I have a green-tipped banana 2x per week after a hard workout.
I think your husband would most definitely benefit from this way of eating.

Graceraeg

I'm going to look into this diet because I really do thing certain grains are causing him to flare. I also think pork and coffee is a culprit. With his disease his body is basically attacking its own colon. I think it has everything to do with diet even though his GI told him it doesn't. There is a book called Breaking The Vicious Cycle that explains the diet. We're going to try it.

Gianfranco_R

Graceraeg wrote: »

I'm going to look into this diet because I really do thing certain grains are causing him to flare. I also think pork and coffee is a culprit. With his disease his body is basically attacking its own colon. I think it has everything to do with diet even though his GI told him it doesn't. There is a book called Breaking The Vicious Cycle that explains the diet. We're going to try it.

Good idea to read the book.
As for the trigger foods, you may also find out that a food that nowadays seems to be a trigger, by following the diet it won't be anymore.
For support, there is a mailing list on Yahoo, and a facebook group.
Good point to start is also http://pecanbread.com/p/index.html