gastric bypass etc
1234usmc
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I don't mean to offend anyone but I'm sure I will. That being said, it irritates the $ hit out of me when people that have had surgery to lose weight give advice like eat small meals, walk, whatever. It may all be valid but that's not how you did it so don't tell other people how to do it. Congrats on doing something to be healthier but don't confuse that with the hard work and sacrifice others are going thru.
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On the other hand, I would argue that that IS how they did it, just with the additional help of that tool (bypass). If not they would have gained it all back, happens all the time0
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People who have had weight loss surgery are eating small meals, walking, and following the advice that they give others.
I've never had weight loss surgery. I don't know what it is like. But I have known some people who have and it doesn't appear to be a way to avoid hard work and sacrifice.
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I don't mean to offend anyone but I'm sure I will. That being said, it irritates the $ hit out of me when people that have had surgery to lose weight give advice like eat small meals, walk, whatever. It may all be valid but that's not how you did it so don't tell other people how to do it. Congrats on doing something to be healthier but don't confuse that with the hard work and sacrifice others are going thru.
Well then, ignore all my posts. I had to follow sensible eating and exercise before surgery, and to maintain I must keep it up afterwards.0 -
Yea, but it's easy for someone to say eat less when they surgically made their stomach smaller or whatever. I may be in the minority but that doesn't make me wrong. Just venting my thoughts. Like I said, I'm glad they made the choice they did to help themselves. Just think it is a little disingenuous to give advice. Support is fine.
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Yea, but it's easy for someone to say eat less when they surgically made their stomach smaller or whatever. I may be in the minority but that doesn't make me wrong. Just venting my thoughts. Like I said, I'm glad they made the choice they did to help themselves. Just think it is a little disingenuous to give advice. Support is fine.
So you're mad because you're jealous that they don't get as hungry as you do.
PS I'm a little mad and jealous sometimes, too. I just have a bit of self-awareness to keep me from dumping my baggage on someone else's front porch.
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Yea, but it's easy for someone to say eat less when they surgically made their stomach smaller or whatever. I may be in the minority but that doesn't make me wrong. Just venting my thoughts. Like I said, I'm glad they made the choice they did to help themselves. Just think it is a little disingenuous to give advice. Support is fine.
It's easy for anyone to say anything. Actually doing things is hard and people who have weight loss surgery still have to make decisions about what to eat and how much. They have to decide when to exercise and how much.
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Maybe that's it bcuz I am hungry!!!0
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What hard work and sacrifices have you made op?0
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Well, if you want to be irritated with jgnatca's advice, thats up to you, but I will tell you from the posts that I have seen of hers she tends to be spot on. Gastric or not lady knows something.
Isn't that always the story: they had gastric so it was so easy for them, they are naturally skinny so its so easy for them, he is taller than me and a dude so it's so easy for him.
Going to have to let go of your pitty party and do you to get anywhere.0 -
Yea, but it's easy for someone to say eat less when they surgically made their stomach smaller or whatever. I may be in the minority but that doesn't make me wrong. Just venting my thoughts. Like I said, I'm glad they made the choice they did to help themselves. Just think it is a little disingenuous to give advice. Support is fine.
If you think there is anything easy about that surgery, you are sorely mistaken.0 -
Of_Monsters_and_Meat wrote: »What hard work and sacrifices have you made op?
Bad choices got me where I was. I started eating better and working out 5 days a week. I would love to eat ice cream everyday and watch tv instead of run most days but I cant do that. Everything wrong with me is my own fault (except for a family of diabetics). I dont blame anyone for my bad choices and I am not having a pity party. I was just venting. Apparently you cant do that on here. I am working hard to improve my health and keep it that way. I'm glad everyone else on here is too. I new this would start a *kitten* storm, just didnt realize it would be so quick and one sided. No worries, 6 years in the Marine Corps gave me thick skin.0 -
Of_Monsters_and_Meat wrote: »What hard work and sacrifices have you made op?
Bad choices got me where I was. I started eating better and working out 5 days a week. I would love to eat ice cream everyday and watch tv instead of run most days but I cant do that. Everything wrong with me is my own fault (except for a family of diabetics). I dont blame anyone for my bad choices and I am not having a pity party. I was just venting. Apparently you cant do that on here. I am working hard to improve my health and keep it that way. I'm glad everyone else on here is too. I new this would start a *kitten* storm, just didnt realize it would be so quick and one sided. No worries, 6 years in the Marine Corps gave me thick skin.
Please. People vent here all the time, but you're singling one population out and basically telling them their opinions don't matter. That is wrong.0 -
By the way, I get the same hunger signals as I ever had, but I get full a lot faster. It takes planning to make sure I get enough protein in to avoid nasty side-effects. It's a lot less planning than when I was monitoring my blood sugars though. I'm off all medications (yay!) but must continue with vitamins for life (boo!). To avoid selfsame side-effects of surgery.
I am training for my first 5K. I am accepting professional help for this too (physiotherapist), but perhaps you see that as a "cheat" as well. Is my anti-pronating running shoe a "cheat"? My daughter mentioned that she was expecting me to continue to gain weight and lose mobility through retirement, and that she is so terribly proud of me. This weight loss means I've added ten years to my lifespan and all the vitality that goes with it. All in all for the health and mobility gains, it's been worth it!
But of course, 123, you are free to ignore my posts if they are too irritating for you.0 -
Weight loss surgery or not, they still have to work hard at losing weight. Yes, they may have had help getting started, but the weight loss surgery doesn't magically do it for them. They have to make the conscious decision to eat well and in a deficit. Also, there are side effects that some of us don't have to struggle with that those who have weight loss surgery may have:
-Gallstones, often requiring gallbladder removal,
-vitamin deficiencies or malnutrition, from poor absorption of nutrients, and
-sagging skin from rapid weight loss.
Another thing: weight loss surgery doesn't mean you'll be successful in the long run. THere are many many weight loss surgery stories where the patient ends up gaining all of the weight they lose back, and sometimes more. Learn the habits that make you successful, regardless of if you have weight loss surgery or not.0 -
Of_Monsters_and_Meat wrote: »What hard work and sacrifices have you made op?
Bad choices got me where I was. I started eating better and working out 5 days a week. I would love to eat ice cream everyday and watch tv instead of run most days but I cant do that. Everything wrong with me is my own fault (except for a family of diabetics). I dont blame anyone for my bad choices and I am not having a pity party. I was just venting. Apparently you cant do that on here. I am working hard to improve my health and keep it that way. I'm glad everyone else on here is too. I new this would start a *kitten* storm, just didnt realize it would be so quick and one sided. No worries, 6 years in the Marine Corps gave me thick skin.
But it didn't teach you not to whine about how other people have it so easy and it's just not fair? I'm surprised.
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I appologize, I honestly do. If I was going to vent, I still could have done it with a little more thought. Should have treated it like an email at work, type it and let it sit and come back to it later.....I did not mean to imply surgery was not hard, hell, physically I'm sure its harder. Maybe I am frustrated and took it out on one population. Believe it or not, I did edit what I originally typed. Once again, my appologies. I would close this thread if I could, but I'm sure it will go on for a while once people get home from work.0
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Heck, this board is lightning fast all the time.0
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I appologize, I honestly do. If I was going to vent, I still could have done it with a little more thought. Should have treated it like an email at work, type it and let it sit and come back to it later.....I did not mean to imply surgery was not hard, hell, physically I'm sure its harder. Maybe I am frustrated and took it out on one population. Believe it or not, I did edit what I originally typed. Once again, my appologies. I would close this thread if I could, but I'm sure it will go on for a while once people get home from work.
If you would like, you can request that a moderator close this thread.
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Can't stop a tsunami, 123, just let it roll over. It will run out of energy in due time.0
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I don't mean to offend anyone but I'm sure I will. That being said, it irritates the $ hit out of me when people that have had surgery to lose weight give advice like eat small meals, walk, whatever. It may all be valid but that's not how you did it so don't tell other people how to do it. Congrats on doing something to be healthier but don't confuse that with the hard work and sacrifice others are going thru.
Well then, ignore all my posts. I had to follow sensible eating and exercise before surgery, and to maintain I must keep it up afterwards.
I gotta ask (no offense) but then: why the surgery?
Just keep up the "sensible eating and exercise" you had to do anyway, right, and then the surgery becomes unnecessary.
I really don't get it.
At all.
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It's the old 'grass is always greener', or 'until you walk in the other person's shoes' syndrome. Things seem easier on the surface.
Weight loss surgery just shifts the challenges. It makes some things easier. Some things harder. If you have complications, it creates more problems than the regular way to lose weight. And however you do it, the weight will pile back on if you don't learn to manage your intake/outtake and stick with it.0 -
@SergeantSausage , it's to keep it off. Bypass also reverses diabetic symptoms that is not entirely explained from the weight loss. I weighed my options and this was my best chance at a different life.
My surgeon told me that they used to have prospective patients wait two years after they had lost weight on their own to get their surgery, and in nearly every case the patient would have gained the weight back within those two years. Highly demoralising. Nowadays they schedule the surgery shortly after the initial success (loss through diet and exercise alone).
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My wife had a gastric bypass done several years ago and she definitely had to eat small meals, walking, and exercise. It was very hard work for her even with the bypass. She had to loose 25 pounds on her own before the surgeon would even do it, go to several meetings with therapists and support groups, a sleep study, see a nutritionist, and several other things. She also had some problems due to the surgery such as an ulcer, that she had to have 2 more surgeries for. My wife has had to make many sacrifices in this journey. She also has very good advice to offer others IMO, as far as weight loss and eating healthier goes, she has been thru alot and continues to. She has done very well with her health now but it was a struggle for her and our family for quite some time. I am very proud of my wife for all she went thru and how far she has came. OP you are entitled to your opinion and yes you are right it did offend me especially. "Congrats on doing something to be healthier but don't confuse that with the hard work and sacrifice others are going thru". This was very hard work and many sacrifices for all of us especially her.I don't mean to offend anyone but I'm sure I will. That being said, it irritates the $ hit out of me when people that have had surgery to lose weight give advice like eat small meals, walk, whatever. It may all be valid but that's not how you did it so don't tell other people how to do it. Congrats on doing something to be healthier but don't confuse that with the hard work and sacrifice others are going thru.
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Paul, see above, I apologized. You should be proud of your wife.
Sofa..i spent 6 hard years defending the right for me to vent and you to reply but mostly for me to vent......single huh, go figure....-1 -
Paul, see above, I apologized. You should be proud of your wife.
Sofa..i spent 6 hard years defending the right for me to vent and you to reply but mostly for me to vent......single huh, go figure....
Wow, you have problems with single people too?
Why don't you just draft the list of people whose opinions you consider valid? Were you fighting just for your personal right to express your opinion or can people who have had WLS and single people also be in that special group?0 -
i agree. i get annoyed when people who are naturally skinny and don't work out try to give me advice about how to lose weight.0
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Just when I thought this thread was going to fade to black...0
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Congrats on doing something to be healthier but don't confuse that with the hard work and sacrifice others are going thru.
So people who have WLS don't put in hard work or sacrifice anything? That's news to me.
I think you're making huge generalizations and assumptions here.
I understand you're trying to "vent" and all that, but I really think you need to re-examine what you're trying to say.
If you don't want unsolicited advice on weight loss, then tell that person so. Let them do them and you do you. Focus on what you are doing, not what others are doing.0 -
Paul, see above, I apologized. You should be proud of your wife.
Sofa..i spent 6 hard years defending the right for me to vent and you to reply but mostly for me to vent......single huh, go figure....
Was MFP about to fall to the Russians or something?
Did you actually edit your post to delete the phrase "uppity woman"?
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.jgnatca wrote:I had to follow sensible eating and exercise before surgery, and to maintain I must keep it up afterwards.
Me too.SergeantSausage wrote:I gotta ask (no offense) but then: why the surgery?
Just keep up the "sensible eating and exercise" you had to do anyway, right, and then the surgery becomes unnecessary.
I really don't get it.
At all.
If they were able to lose (not "loose") weight by controlling themselves before surgery, at
least enough so someone would do surgery on them, why not continue that? You know it
works, you know you can do it, why throw away your health by permanently changing your
body when it's not necessary? The surgery causes lifelong problems. Weight is temporary.
It does not require a permanent solution, other than eating a reasonable amount of calories
& moving more... which is what was done before surgery.
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