ObamaCare....Your thoughts

mkmerrill

I disagree....I work with Medicaid patients all the time. The MD ALWAYS gets paid and does not have to fight with anyone. They pay a lower rate but it is a rate that actually makes sense...not inflated by the MD who thinks he is god.

lripson28

I disagree....I work with Medicaid patients all the time. The MD ALWAYS gets paid and does not have to fight with anyone. They pay a lower rate but it is a rate that actually makes sense...not inflated by the MD who thinks he is god.

I am a medical biller for a psychiatry office. For each code that we bill for, the doctor gets paid HALF of what he gets from every other insurance company.

mustang289

Now that we've fixed all the healthcare problems in the US, its time to fix other things.

I think the government should give everyone 'affordable transportation' also, so everyone can have a car.
The rich already have multiple cars, the middle class will have to pay more for theirs, and the poor will all be given free access to cars while the working class foot the bill for it.

Did you seriously just compare healthcare to cars?:huh:

No, I was comparing the government trying to re-distribute the cost of the healthcare to the government re-distributing the cost of transportation.

We already have healthcare throughout the US.

What we are really arguing about is who is going to pay for it. The taxpayers, your neighbor, you, your boss...someone has to pay and we are just re-adjusting who is doing the paying.

There is no such thing as 'free' healthcare, but there will be those people who will not have to pay for it because we will make other people pay on their behalf.

I'm not arguing whether this is wrong or right, moral or not, I'm just stating facts.

trink68

Interesting....I must say I am shocked how many people are willing to give the govt complete control over your health.Dont be fooled,they will be dictating to the insurance companies what they are allowed to pay.Especially considering the amount of people who will be getting it free through subsidies.May want to remember who is going to be enforcing this law.You know the same bunch who is currently being being looked at day after day for a new scandal....Ugh,you all trust the IRS?....this is scary.Sorry its the libertarian in me.And the pre-existing this is garbage.I have a pre-existing and have never had trouble getting coverage.I have it now,always have for the last 25 years.Never an issue.Cost a few bucks more....but its always available.

whierd

I see this thread going swimmingly.

There are some provisions within Obamacare that I approved of.

However, I believe that the bill was largely a "feel good" measure that didn't address any of the real issues as to why the actual cost of health care (not health care insurance) is as expensive as it is.

MyChocolateDiet

Do not want to start a political argument (though Im sure it will).But I am just curious about your thoughts on the new healthcare bill about to go into effect.Like it? Dont like it? You worried? Is it one of the reasons your trying to get healthy,for fear of higher costs for being over weight? Im just curious....please no arguing.Just want some opinions

when you have to put that many disclaimers on something. it's best not to start that conversation.

ps. "I'm not a racist", "no offence, but", "i have no filter", aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnndddd.....:flowerforyou:

SerenaFisher

Health care is going to rise, and if you do not get health care you are fined at a rising rate every year. Small business owners with over 50 employees (or something around that number) are going out of business because they cannot foot the bill. Rates for my health care have gone up about 20%, and the co-pays have also gone up.

I think the idea is a good idea over all, but the way it was done is completely wrong. Has anyone actually read this monster from cover to cover? I've never had the pleasure. I do however have the pleasure of working in nursing, and where I work medicaid is up to two years behind on some of it's bills. Where I work is a state owned facility, government funded, and they live in the red... So shall our health care be. Rates will rise, doctors will leave, you will get less and pay more. Unless you're poor, poor people will have state insurance which where it's accepted covers everything without co-pay

DalekBrittany

Oh boy oh boy oh boy. I always find the good ones before they get locked.

KathleenC12

I am the daughter and sister of MDs. My dad always said, "No one should lose their home over medical bills"- and that was 50 years ago. For the past 42 years, I have lived in Canada, with its universal health care.

It works, not perfectly, but well enough that I and my family are extremely skeptical of any argument against it, having experienced the two countries' approaches.

MsPudding

Well I live in the UK and our healthcare is funded by a direct tax on income so we don't have 'free' health care, it's a case that everyone who works contributes.

I, for one, appreciate that for an amount of tax I barely notice I can get a doctor's appointment and don't get an eye-watering bill. I can get referred to consultants without having to worry where the money is going to come from. I can be prescribed medicines and pay under £10 for them. I also appreciate that the most vulnerable in our society will get all this without having to contribute a thing.

I think there's a lot of great things about America, but your health system is not one of them. Nobody should have to worry that they can't afford to see a doctor or get treatment....it's as fundamental as having a roof over your head.

257_Lag

My Mother works for a grocery store that employs about 300 people. Many of these are part time already but they have (had) plenty of fuull time employees also. It is privately owned, not a chain.

Two weeks ago they cut roughly 100 employees from 35-40 hours to 29 hours a week AND put help wanted signs up. Why?

Because the definition of a "full time" employee under Obamacare is 30 hours and the tripping point for many of the requirements is 50 employees.

But why now when it doesn't go into effect until January? Because the look back period is 6 months to determine your "full time" employee count. They stated that this is the only way that they can stay in business.

I am afraid that you are going to hear more and more of this kind of thing. Imagine being the owner of a growing small business with 49 employees? Are you going to hire people when it will put you over the 50? I don't think so.

More people working, less people making ends meets. Google socialism.

obeseandsassy

healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

whierd

healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

No, no it shouldn't.

257_Lag

healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

Yeah, no reason to work or be a productive part of society. The rest of us will do that for you.

SerenaFisher

healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

No, no it shouldn't.

:laugh:

Healthcare is a human right, you cannot legally turn anyone away at the ER. And if you're "poor" they offer you the paperwork for government Insurance to pay for it. Yes, I know this. I do not know where people got the idea that you have to have insurance to go to an ER.

obeseandsassy

healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

Yeah, no reason to work or be a productive part of society. The rest of us will do that for you.

how you managed to get 'don't bother working or being productive' out of the statement that healthcare should be a human right boggles my mind. but, you know what they say about assumptions.

stephenszymanski

Wasn't strong enough.

Won't really change anything for the better probably.

All I know is that I had Kidney Stones in the beginning of May... an ER visit in which they did basically nothing for 4 out of the 5 hours I was there... finally getting the bills now. Insurance covered about half.

I wish I lived in France.

SerenaFisher

healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

Yeah, no reason to work or be a productive part of society. The rest of us will do that for you.

how you managed to get 'don't bother working or being productive' out of the statement that healthcare should be a human right boggles my mind. but, you know what they say about assumptions.

When offered a chance for free health care and not working, or paying a crap load for health care and not getting the best insurance only the insurance your employer offers, or a sliding scale from the government what would you pick? The problem is this doesn't give people incentive to work, in fact it aspires to those that do not work. Granted many people that get state insurance do actually need it, and I am not knocking those who truly cannot work.

But come on, I know plenty of people soaking up the system that COULD do more, but do not have too. Not they have no reason to want too, who wants to offer an arm, a leg, and your first born for health care? :laugh:

OnionMomma

I disagree....I work with Medicaid patients all the time. The MD ALWAYS gets paid and does not have to fight with anyone. They pay a lower rate but it is a rate that actually makes sense...not inflated by the MD who thinks he is god.

I am a medical biller for a psychiatry office. For each code that we bill for, the doctor gets paid HALF of what he gets from every other insurance company.

Yes what she said (the 2nd poster that is)...... My son's Ped's office will not take 1 of the 3 medicaid ins providers for our state. Want to know why? Because they don't pay out at all if ever. So, my son's office decided NOT to take any patients with that type of government ins.

I am wondering if (like all the other loopholes that are being found by employers to deny coverage under this new bill) if DRs office's will just NOT take anyone who has those types of policies.

It's already happening in our area. And this particular instance was about 3 years ago, before the ACA was put into affect. So, if DRs offices were doing it then, they will surely do it now.

257_Lag

healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

Yeah, no reason to work or be a productive part of society. The rest of us will do that for you.

how you managed to get 'don't bother working or being productive' out of the statement that healthcare should be a human right boggles my mind. but, you know what they say about assumptions.

Wikipedia:

Human rights are "commonly understood as inalienable fundamental rights to which a person is inherently entitled simply because she or he is a human being."[1] Human rights are thus conceived as universal (applicable everywhere) and egalitarian (the same for everyone).

I wasn't referring specifically to you. I don't know you, but quality health care is something you should earn! It is hardly a right.

diodelcibo

healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

Yep we all deserve something for nothing no matter the situation whatsoever ...

jayce54321

It doesn't go far enough, we need universal health care in this country. I spent 20 years in the Navy and never had a problem getting the family in to a doctor. I had a daughter with severe intestinal problems that required a transplant (experimental). The gov't paid for some of the best children's hospitals in the country to take care of her until we could get a transplant. Without that care she would have died at age 8. She did get the transplant but we lost her when she was 15. If I had to rely on the insurance currently offered by my employer she would not have lived to age 8. Insurance companies are for profit entities and don't care about you. Remove the monetary incentive and what is left is compassion.

SerenaFisher

Wasn't strong enough.

Won't really change anything for the better probably.

All I know is that I had Kidney Stones in the beginning of May... an ER visit in which they did basically nothing for 4 out of the 5 hours I was there... finally getting the bills now. Insurance covered about half.

I wish I lived in France.

There isn't much you can do for Kidney stones, unless they are bad enough to require surgery. From what I've heard they pretty much have to pass on their own free will, and well that's just life. I had a doctor diagnose a gal bladder wrong, big deal. That is also just life, you would still be paying with Obamacare, the copay doesn't go away. :grumble:

obeseandsassy

healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

Yeah, no reason to work or be a productive part of society. The rest of us will do that for you.

how you managed to get 'don't bother working or being productive' out of the statement that healthcare should be a human right boggles my mind. but, you know what they say about assumptions.

When offered a chance for free health care and not working, or paying a crap load for health care and not getting the best insurance only the insurance your employer offers, or a sliding scale from the government what would you pick? The problem is this doesn't give people incentive to work, in fact it aspires to those that do not work. Granted many people that get state insurance do actually need it, and I am not knocking those who truly cannot work.

But come on, I know plenty of people soaking up the system that COULD do more, but do not have too. Not they have no reason to want too, who wants to offer an arm, a leg, and your first born for health care? :laugh:

again, this doesn't even make sense. ok, so say if you don't work, you get free/cheap healthcare. big whoop. there are still things to pay for in life besides health care. you know, it's nice to have a place to live, a car to drive, food to eat, an internet connection, a social life, (i could go on?) free healthcare is really not a great incentive to not work.

you simply cannot have a good/fulfilling life on government benefits alone, so the people who constantly bawww about how others take advantage of free healthcare (or food stamps, or welfare, choose your poison, really.) have no idea what they're talking about.