Low sugar, low carb, low wheat, vegan diet..is this possible?
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Have
I suppose that's true, except for the part where it's all bound up in fiber. So if your refined sugar was bound up in fiber, then perhaps your body would respond similarly.kamakazeekim wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »Okay:
As for the "cheating", I'm not sure how you can cheat a political stance and lifestyle choice of doing as little harm as possible. You can however cheat a plant based diet which sounds more like what you've got going there. (Sorry it just annoys me when people use the word vegan to descibe their diet when that's really not what it's about). There are plenty pf vegan cheeses, mayos, eggs, cakes, chocolate, sweets, etc. No need to cheat.
Sugar is bad for you but only certain types, aka the refined types. Sugar in fruit and veg is absolutely not something to cut down on.
Unrefind carbs are also bad but the good news is other carbs arent. Fruit, veg, wholegrains, legumes, and other plant food are very healthy. As for protein don't worry about it, you don't need as much as you think (about 55g a day for average men).
For optimum health (and therfore weight loss) stick to a whloefoods plant based diet: this includes nuts, seeds, whole grains, vegtables, fruits, and legumes.
Some good websites include nutrionfacts.org, onegreenplanet, and websites organisations such as viva! and the vegan society.
Nope, sugar is sugar...your body cannot tell the difference between refined sugar and natural sugar found in fruit.
Op - As already pointed out...it will be really really difficult to do a plant based diet that is low carb and still get all your basic nutrients. Make sure you are taking a multivitamin/mineral supplement! You should also have your doctor periodically check your blood work to make sure you are staying healthy.
If eating a spoonful of sugar had the same effect on the body as eating a banana, they wouldn't have needed to invent energy gels.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Have
I suppose that's true, except for the part where it's all bound up in fiber. So if your refined sugar was bound up in fiber, then perhaps your body would respond similarly.kamakazeekim wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »Okay:
As for the "cheating", I'm not sure how you can cheat a political stance and lifestyle choice of doing as little harm as possible. You can however cheat a plant based diet which sounds more like what you've got going there. (Sorry it just annoys me when people use the word vegan to descibe their diet when that's really not what it's about). There are plenty pf vegan cheeses, mayos, eggs, cakes, chocolate, sweets, etc. No need to cheat.
Sugar is bad for you but only certain types, aka the refined types. Sugar in fruit and veg is absolutely not something to cut down on.
Unrefind carbs are also bad but the good news is other carbs arent. Fruit, veg, wholegrains, legumes, and other plant food are very healthy. As for protein don't worry about it, you don't need as much as you think (about 55g a day for average men).
For optimum health (and therfore weight loss) stick to a whloefoods plant based diet: this includes nuts, seeds, whole grains, vegtables, fruits, and legumes.
Some good websites include nutrionfacts.org, onegreenplanet, and websites organisations such as viva! and the vegan society.
Nope, sugar is sugar...your body cannot tell the difference between refined sugar and natural sugar found in fruit.
Op - As already pointed out...it will be really really difficult to do a plant based diet that is low carb and still get all your basic nutrients. Make sure you are taking a multivitamin/mineral supplement! You should also have your doctor periodically check your blood work to make sure you are staying healthy.
If eating a spoonful of sugar had the same effect on the body as eating a banana, they wouldn't have needed to invent energy gels.
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I actually just finished reading Grain Brain yesterday and the thing I got from it was that I needed to get serious about starting a high dose D3 vitamin because I know from blood work that I'm deficient. Everything else in the book-not so convincing that gluten is evil. I didn't think he did a very good job of presenting his case. His writing was very Dr. Ozish (shudder).0
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Sarasmaintaining wrote: »I actually just finished reading Grain Brain yesterday and the thing I got from it was that I needed to get serious about starting a high dose D3 vitamin because I know from blood work that I'm deficient. Everything else in the book-not so convincing that gluten is evil. I didn't think he did a very good job of presenting his case. His writing was very Dr. Ozish (shudder).
THANKS!!!!
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Anyone look at the Chalene PiYO food program? That one looks better and gives you so many of each food type per day getting more balance. Thoughts on that plan?0
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Anyone look at the Chalene PiYO food program? That one looks better and gives you so many of each food type per day getting more balance. Thoughts on that plan?
I just Googled it and it looked like it included lots of eggs, chicken, and cheese. Am I looking at the wrong plan or were you planning to make substitutions for those items? Depending on what you substitute, I would watch out for satiety. I like vegan substitutions, but some of them vary considerably in protein content. It also looks like Shakeology is a part of the plan -- are you going to substitute another shake?
Am I looking at the wrong plan?
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janejellyroll wrote: »I just Googled it and it looked like it included lots of eggs, chicken, and cheese. Am I looking at the wrong plan or were you planning to make substitutions for those items? Depending on what you substitute, I would watch out for satiety. I like vegan substitutions, but some of them vary considerably in protein content. It also looks like Shakeology is a part of the plan -- are you going to substitute another shake?
Am I looking at the wrong plan?
That is the correct one. I am planning to do it Vegan style with substitutes, if possible. My wife REALLY wants me to do this plan and not the carb/gluten thing I was looking at earlier. I was not planning to do Shakeology...hoping smoothies at home might work with the right ingredients.
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janejellyroll wrote: »I just Googled it and it looked like it included lots of eggs, chicken, and cheese. Am I looking at the wrong plan or were you planning to make substitutions for those items? Depending on what you substitute, I would watch out for satiety. I like vegan substitutions, but some of them vary considerably in protein content. It also looks like Shakeology is a part of the plan -- are you going to substitute another shake?
Am I looking at the wrong plan?
That is the correct one. I am planning to do it Vegan style with substitutes, if possible. My wife REALLY wants me to do this plan and not the carb/gluten thing I was looking at earlier. I was not planning to do Shakeology...hoping smoothies at home might work with the right ingredients.
I think I would die of boredom on that plan. I would also miss beans. That said, it doesn't really matter what I would think of that plan. Does it look like something you would enjoy?0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I think I would die of boredom on that plan. I would also miss beans. That said, it doesn't really matter what I would think of that plan. Does it look like something you would enjoy?
Really? It looked pretty extensive to me. You get like 6 primary veggies, 2 secondary veggies, 4 healthy fats, 3 fruits and 6 proteins every day with a list of "free" foods that have no limits. And beans are on the secondary veggies list
weightomaintain.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/PiYo-Food-Printables-2.pdf
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sorry I was trying to delete this post since I linked the chart above0
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janejellyroll wrote: »I think I would die of boredom on that plan. I would also miss beans. That said, it doesn't really matter what I would think of that plan. Does it look like something you would enjoy?
Really? It looked pretty extensive to me. You get like 6 primary veggies, 2 secondary veggies, 4 healthy fats, 3 fruits and 6 proteins every day with a list of "free" foods that have no limits. And beans are on the secondary veggies list
weightomaintain.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/PiYo-Food-Printables-2.pdf
That's very different than the chart I got when I googled the plan. It makes more sense now -- thanks for clarifying.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »That's very different than the chart I got when I googled the plan. It makes more sense now -- thanks for clarifying.
Cool. Does it look ok to you? More healthy?
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janejellyroll wrote: »That's very different than the chart I got when I googled the plan. It makes more sense now -- thanks for clarifying.
Cool. Does it look ok to you? More healthy?
It looks like you would have some decent variety. I would personally prefer to count my calories and choose what I eat within those guidelines, but if you think it would work for you, why not? Is it going to be enough calories for you, though?
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janejellyroll wrote: »It looks like you would have some decent variety. I would personally prefer to count my calories and choose what I eat within those guidelines, but if you think it would work for you, why not? Is it going to be enough calories for you, though?
It says I should have 1800 calories...40% carb, 35% protein 25% healthy fats0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Have
I suppose that's true, except for the part where it's all bound up in fiber. So if your refined sugar was bound up in fiber, then perhaps your body would respond similarly.kamakazeekim wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »Okay:
As for the "cheating", I'm not sure how you can cheat a political stance and lifestyle choice of doing as little harm as possible. You can however cheat a plant based diet which sounds more like what you've got going there. (Sorry it just annoys me when people use the word vegan to descibe their diet when that's really not what it's about). There are plenty pf vegan cheeses, mayos, eggs, cakes, chocolate, sweets, etc. No need to cheat.
Sugar is bad for you but only certain types, aka the refined types. Sugar in fruit and veg is absolutely not something to cut down on.
Unrefind carbs are also bad but the good news is other carbs arent. Fruit, veg, wholegrains, legumes, and other plant food are very healthy. As for protein don't worry about it, you don't need as much as you think (about 55g a day for average men).
For optimum health (and therfore weight loss) stick to a whloefoods plant based diet: this includes nuts, seeds, whole grains, vegtables, fruits, and legumes.
Some good websites include nutrionfacts.org, onegreenplanet, and websites organisations such as viva! and the vegan society.
Nope, sugar is sugar...your body cannot tell the difference between refined sugar and natural sugar found in fruit.
Op - As already pointed out...it will be really really difficult to do a plant based diet that is low carb and still get all your basic nutrients. Make sure you are taking a multivitamin/mineral supplement! You should also have your doctor periodically check your blood work to make sure you are staying healthy.
If eating a spoonful of sugar had the same effect on the body as eating a banana, they wouldn't have needed to invent energy gels.
I suspect energy gels were invented to make lots of money for the companies that sell them. Take a few inexpensive ingredients, turn them into a fancy gel in a fancy packet, and convince consumers they are a must have food product.
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If you are just concerned about losing weight then you will need to have portion control and count calories and exercise because you know some of the things you are eating are still not healthy. If you want to lose weight and get healthier, then I recommend switching to a low fat whole food plant based lifestyle. I've been doing it for over a year now and feel great!
There are plenty of great recipes you can make or just eat whole foods! Fruits, veggies, rice, beans, potatoes, pastas, grains, nuts, seeds, etc.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Have
I suppose that's true, except for the part where it's all bound up in fiber. So if your refined sugar was bound up in fiber, then perhaps your body would respond similarly.kamakazeekim wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »Okay:
As for the "cheating", I'm not sure how you can cheat a political stance and lifestyle choice of doing as little harm as possible. You can however cheat a plant based diet which sounds more like what you've got going there. (Sorry it just annoys me when people use the word vegan to descibe their diet when that's really not what it's about). There are plenty pf vegan cheeses, mayos, eggs, cakes, chocolate, sweets, etc. No need to cheat.
Sugar is bad for you but only certain types, aka the refined types. Sugar in fruit and veg is absolutely not something to cut down on.
Unrefind carbs are also bad but the good news is other carbs arent. Fruit, veg, wholegrains, legumes, and other plant food are very healthy. As for protein don't worry about it, you don't need as much as you think (about 55g a day for average men).
For optimum health (and therfore weight loss) stick to a whloefoods plant based diet: this includes nuts, seeds, whole grains, vegtables, fruits, and legumes.
Some good websites include nutrionfacts.org, onegreenplanet, and websites organisations such as viva! and the vegan society.
Nope, sugar is sugar...your body cannot tell the difference between refined sugar and natural sugar found in fruit.
Op - As already pointed out...it will be really really difficult to do a plant based diet that is low carb and still get all your basic nutrients. Make sure you are taking a multivitamin/mineral supplement! You should also have your doctor periodically check your blood work to make sure you are staying healthy.
If eating a spoonful of sugar had the same effect on the body as eating a banana, they wouldn't have needed to invent energy gels.
I suspect energy gels were invented to make lots of money for the companies that sell them. Take a few inexpensive ingredients, turn them into a fancy gel in a fancy packet, and convince consumers they are a must have food product.
For sure. They're basically gooey sugar with a 10,000% markup.
What they're not is gooey banana.
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Anything is possible! I do vegetarian lower carb.0
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Have
I suppose that's true, except for the part where it's all bound up in fiber. So if your refined sugar was bound up in fiber, then perhaps your body would respond similarly.kamakazeekim wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »Okay:
As for the "cheating", I'm not sure how you can cheat a political stance and lifestyle choice of doing as little harm as possible. You can however cheat a plant based diet which sounds more like what you've got going there. (Sorry it just annoys me when people use the word vegan to descibe their diet when that's really not what it's about). There are plenty pf vegan cheeses, mayos, eggs, cakes, chocolate, sweets, etc. No need to cheat.
Sugar is bad for you but only certain types, aka the refined types. Sugar in fruit and veg is absolutely not something to cut down on.
Unrefind carbs are also bad but the good news is other carbs arent. Fruit, veg, wholegrains, legumes, and other plant food are very healthy. As for protein don't worry about it, you don't need as much as you think (about 55g a day for average men).
For optimum health (and therfore weight loss) stick to a whloefoods plant based diet: this includes nuts, seeds, whole grains, vegtables, fruits, and legumes.
Some good websites include nutrionfacts.org, onegreenplanet, and websites organisations such as viva! and the vegan society.
Nope, sugar is sugar...your body cannot tell the difference between refined sugar and natural sugar found in fruit.
Op - As already pointed out...it will be really really difficult to do a plant based diet that is low carb and still get all your basic nutrients. Make sure you are taking a multivitamin/mineral supplement! You should also have your doctor periodically check your blood work to make sure you are staying healthy.
If eating a spoonful of sugar had the same effect on the body as eating a banana, they wouldn't have needed to invent energy gels.
LOL. What, pray tell, do you think the difference is?
They both have moderate GI, and bananas have a higher GL.
http://www.glycemicindex.com/foodSearch.php?num=408&ak=detail
http://www.glycemicindex.com/foodSearch.php?num=32&ak=detail0 -
Since you said you love Forks over Knives, OP:
http://www.forksoverknives.com/the-smoke-and-mirrors-behind-wheat-belly-and-grain-brain/
What I see is one doctor with a fad diet trying to smear another doctor with a fad diet with both doctors cherry-picking whichever scientific articles suit their needs. This particular doctor with a fad diet seems rather uninformed and bitter regarding the other doctor's fad diet which instantly makes me doubt every single word that comes out of his mouth.
Eat whatever makes you feel good/comfortable. Experiment as you wish and draw your own conclusions. If you are going to be trying something extreme (as you seem to wish to) then I suggest getting full bloodwork done on a fairly regular basis (including looking for deficiencies) until you figure out what works best for you physically and mentally. If not eating something benefits you, even from a placebo effect point of view or a spiritual/moral point of view, then that is great. Just make sure that your body physically agrees and doesn't suffer.0 -
If you're trying to lose weight, track your calories. Use the recommended settings on MFP and stick to it, you'll be fine. For your protein sources, look to tofu and seitan.
If you are trying to avoid wheat/gluten avoid seitan and stick with tofu. Although large amounts of soy (tofu) have some health consequences for men.
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MonsoonStorm wrote: »
Eat whatever makes you feel good/comfortable. Experiment as you wish and draw your own conclusions. If you are going to be trying something extreme (as you seem to wish to) then I suggest getting full bloodwork done on a fairly regular basis (including looking for deficiencies) until you figure out what works best for you physically and mentally.Since you said you love Forks over Knives, OP:
http://www.forksoverknives.com/the-smoke-and-mirrors-behind-wheat-belly-and-grain-brain/
I don't really want to do anything extreme at all. I just want to do the RIGHT thing for my body....to be healthy and fit
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mikefinch87 wrote: »If you're trying to lose weight, track your calories. Use the recommended settings on MFP and stick to it, you'll be fine. For your protein sources, look to tofu and seitan.
If you are trying to avoid wheat/gluten avoid seitan and stick with tofu. Although large amounts of soy (tofu) have some health consequences for men.
How large of an amount are you talking about?0 -
MonsoonStorm wrote: »
Eat whatever makes you feel good/comfortable. Experiment as you wish and draw your own conclusions. If you are going to be trying something extreme (as you seem to wish to) then I suggest getting full bloodwork done on a fairly regular basis (including looking for deficiencies) until you figure out what works best for you physically and mentally.Since you said you love Forks over Knives, OP:
http://www.forksoverknives.com/the-smoke-and-mirrors-behind-wheat-belly-and-grain-brain/
I don't really want to do anything extreme at all. I just want to do the RIGHT thing for my body....to be healthy and fit
What I've discovered throughout this whole whacky journey-you just have to experiment. Try one way for a bit and see how you feel/what progress you have. If after a few days/weeks it's not clicking, then try something else. You'll get it figured out, and find what works best for you, but it just might take a bit of time
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