Batman v. Superman... not good
LovelyIvy466
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Not sure if anyone here is as nerdy as I am, but did anyone catch the leaked trailer for Batman v. Superman? It looks awful. Just... so awful.
Batman looks ok- his armor is decent, even though it looks like Lego Batman, and there's a DKR vibe to his appearance and to a lot of the opening voiceovers that I appreciate, but I truly wonder if any of the filmmakers actually like or have even ever read Superman. Whoever that dude is in the movie... not Supes. There is no joy to be seen anywhere in this trailer, and on a day when I literally did a little happy dance because Star Wars (SO unexpectedly) rocked my world, that is sooooooo disappointing. I was hoping for so much more than what we got. How is it that Marvel can get Captain America (a character that could SO easily be terrible) completely right, and DC can't get their flagship moneymaking characters even CLOSE?
Disappoint. Ok, that will conclude this evening's nerd rage.
Batman looks ok- his armor is decent, even though it looks like Lego Batman, and there's a DKR vibe to his appearance and to a lot of the opening voiceovers that I appreciate, but I truly wonder if any of the filmmakers actually like or have even ever read Superman. Whoever that dude is in the movie... not Supes. There is no joy to be seen anywhere in this trailer, and on a day when I literally did a little happy dance because Star Wars (SO unexpectedly) rocked my world, that is sooooooo disappointing. I was hoping for so much more than what we got. How is it that Marvel can get Captain America (a character that could SO easily be terrible) completely right, and DC can't get their flagship moneymaking characters even CLOSE?
Disappoint. Ok, that will conclude this evening's nerd rage.
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Because Marvel ROCKS.
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I pretty much already decided it's a no go for me. The Nolan trilogy was really good. Wasn't particularly thrilled with Snyders take on Watchmen, though it wasn't terrible.0
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I think they are going for a Dark Knight Returns style conflict from the comics which is why there is more darkness in the tone setting up for the fight which also explains batmans suit.0
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Because Marvel ROCKS.
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I already bought my ticket for Age of Ultron. SO MUCH ANTICIPATION. And I don't even like Marvel comics, I generally make mine DC. But in the movies... Marvel is the undisputed champ.0 -
MissMary75044 wrote: »I pretty much already decided it's a no go for me. The Nolan trilogy was really good. Wasn't particularly thrilled with Snyders take on Watchmen, though it wasn't terrible.
I cut him some slack on Watchmen because I felt (still feel) a movie was just never going to work. That is one of the definitive graphic novels. No movie could ever come close to what is on the page.I think they are going for a Dark Knight Returns style conflict from the comics which is why there is more darkness in the tone setting up for the fight which also explains batmans suit.
I know. I actually really like DKR- it's one of the few Frank Miller comics I actually bought. But as the basis for an entire cinematic universe... yeah no. That sounds terrible, especially after the Nolan trilogy. Nolan already did the best realistic version of Batman that we as fans could ever hope for. Trying to rebuild that wheel is a lost cause, especially when you drag Superman into it. DKR is a GREAT Batman story, but it's a TERRIBLE Superman book.0 -
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This is one of the few times in life that I've ever really appreciated twitter (which I generally feel to be a useless, vacuous time-suck at best). Only the twitter nerds are really feeling my pain on this...0
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LovelyIvy466 wrote: »I think they are going for a Dark Knight Returns style conflict from the comics which is why there is more darkness in the tone setting up for the fight which also explains batmans suit.
I know. I actually really like DKR- it's one of the few Frank Miller comics I actually bought. But as the basis for an entire cinematic universe... yeah no. That sounds terrible, especially after the Nolan trilogy. Nolan already did the best realistic version of Batman that we as fans could ever hope for. Trying to rebuild that wheel is a lost cause, especially when you drag Superman into it. DKR is a GREAT Batman story, but it's a TERRIBLE Superman book.
While agree its a terrible basis for justice league and superman they arent using the whole story line. I think only taking a few aspects is more done in the style marvel does their easter eggs for true fans of the comics. It wont be enough to be directly comparable but enough the true fans will recognise where the ideas come from. I will admit though personally I do have very low expectations of this movie. DC do great comics and amazing cartoon movies but their live actions leave a lot to be desired.0 -
LovelyIvy466 wrote: »I think they are going for a Dark Knight Returns style conflict from the comics which is why there is more darkness in the tone setting up for the fight which also explains batmans suit.
I know. I actually really like DKR- it's one of the few Frank Miller comics I actually bought. But as the basis for an entire cinematic universe... yeah no. That sounds terrible, especially after the Nolan trilogy. Nolan already did the best realistic version of Batman that we as fans could ever hope for. Trying to rebuild that wheel is a lost cause, especially when you drag Superman into it. DKR is a GREAT Batman story, but it's a TERRIBLE Superman book.
While agree its a terrible basis for justice league and superman they arent using the whole story line. I think only taking a few aspects is more done in the style marvel does their easter eggs for true fans of the comics. It wont be enough to be directly comparable but enough the true fans will recognise where the ideas come from. I will admit though personally I do have very low expectations of this movie. DC do great comics and amazing cartoon movies but their live actions leave a lot to be desired.
True. I had a bad feeling that this was going to be terrible, to be honest. After seeing Man of Steel, I had a reasonable expectation it wouldn't be my cup of tea. But I was still hopeful that maybe they could rediscover humor and optimism and heroism and all those things that Marvel has just been knocking out of the park with every movie they make. That hope is now totally gone.0 -
Batman is going to beat down Superman with kryptonite gloves. What the heck is "not good" about that? #MovieOfTheYear0
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Batman is going to beat down Superman with kryptonite gloves. What the heck is "not good" about that? #MovieOfTheYear
Ugh. That is so depressing.
ETA: Iron Man has an actual arms dealer fighting warlords, terrorists, and the military-industrial complex and it was far more optimistic than Snyder's vision of Superman or Batman. Is an (assumed, because really, thinking Batman can ever beat Superman is just adorable) epic beatdown really all we have to anticipate here?0 -
We'll have to see. Man of Steel was okay, but when I compare it to The Avengers or even Captain America: The Winter Soldier......................no contest. As the OP said, I am anticipating good things for A2: The Age of Ultron. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch now? With a remake of Daredevil, and Antman coming out...........make mine Marvel.Batman is going to beat down Superman with kryptonite gloves. What the heck is "not good" about that? #MovieOfTheYear
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LovelyIvy466 wrote: »MissMary75044 wrote: »I pretty much already decided it's a no go for me. The Nolan trilogy was really good. Wasn't particularly thrilled with Snyders take on Watchmen, though it wasn't terrible.
I cut him some slack on Watchmen because I felt (still feel) a movie was just never going to work. That is one of the definitive graphic novels. No movie could ever come close to what is on the page.I think they are going for a Dark Knight Returns style conflict from the comics which is why there is more darkness in the tone setting up for the fight which also explains batmans suit.
I know. I actually really like DKR- it's one of the few Frank Miller comics I actually bought. But as the basis for an entire cinematic universe... yeah no. That sounds terrible, especially after the Nolan trilogy. Nolan already did the best realistic version of Batman that we as fans could ever hope for. Trying to rebuild that wheel is a lost cause, especially when you drag Superman into it. DKR is a GREAT Batman story, but it's a TERRIBLE Superman book.
Very true about Watchmen, I don't think it could be really done justice as a film. It's just far too layered and complex. At some point I believe Darren Arronofsky was attached to direct Watchmen, personally I think he would have done a good job. Sometimes I question the casting choices, as it seems the same few people keep getting cast but as different characters. I was pretty skeptical about Heath Ledger playing the joker and that turned out really well, I was pretty impressed.
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leut_underpants wrote: »MissMary75044 wrote: »LovelyIvy466 wrote: »MissMary75044 wrote: »I pretty much already decided it's a no go for me. The Nolan trilogy was really good. Wasn't particularly thrilled with Snyders take on Watchmen, though it wasn't terrible.
I cut him some slack on Watchmen because I felt (still feel) a movie was just never going to work. That is one of the definitive graphic novels. No movie could ever come close to what is on the page.I think they are going for a Dark Knight Returns style conflict from the comics which is why there is more darkness in the tone setting up for the fight which also explains batmans suit.
I know. I actually really like DKR- it's one of the few Frank Miller comics I actually bought. But as the basis for an entire cinematic universe... yeah no. That sounds terrible, especially after the Nolan trilogy. Nolan already did the best realistic version of Batman that we as fans could ever hope for. Trying to rebuild that wheel is a lost cause, especially when you drag Superman into it. DKR is a GREAT Batman story, but it's a TERRIBLE Superman book.
Very true about Watchmen, I don't think it could be really done justice as a film. It's just far too layered and complex. At some point I believe Darren Arronofsky was attached to direct Watchmen, personally I think he would have done a good job. Sometimes I question the casting choices, as it seems the same few people keep getting cast but as different characters. I was pretty skeptical about Heath Ledger playing the joker and that turned out really well, I was pretty impressed.
Ledger was (unexpectedly for me) brilliant. The more I see that show the more his performance just astounds. He somehow captured the essence of being the Joker and turned him human rather than playing a comic book character as a human. Even those cast in the superhero roles haven't managed that yet. Some of the movies have been very, very good and highly entertaining, but he's the first that really merged the comic role with humanity and great acting without being contrived.
Well said. His performance in that film is the most realistic and terrifying that a comic book movie has ever been. I don't personally need my comic book movies to be realistic- the first Avengers was the most fun I've ever had at a movie, entirely because it fed into my imagination, and was such a perfect interpretation of the comic book medium on film. It was colorful and fun and funny, in a way that DC will never let their comic book movies achieve (the tv properties get to have all the fun). That was what I wanted.
It would be great if the depth that Ledger brought to the Joker was the goal of the coming DC films, As that would be a solid counter to the Marvel style, but their films seem just as unrealistic as the Marvel films, but in a total 90's grimdark way that doesn't appeal. It's like deep for 15 year olds.0 -
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Yep. With laser eyes who can fly, or turn green, or whatever. What's your point?Big_Nothing wrote: »Men in tights...
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Big_Nothing wrote: »I prefer jeans and Kevlar.
Ok. Not my thing.0 -
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Hmm lets see they hired Ben Affleck. I mean come on he was horrible in DareDevil. There was hope for him when he was Kevin Smith films0
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just saw the trailer today. looks terrible. i have no desire to see it at all.0
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LovelyIvy466 wrote:their films seem just as unrealistic as the Marvel films, but in a total 90's grimdark way that doesn't appeal. It's like deep for 15 year olds.
Great point.
The Dark Knight Returns is a really cool story but makes zero sense in terms of DC continuity. So I'm somewhat dismayed by the title and what they're showing us in the trailer, which suggests they're taking plot points or theme from TDKR.
My brain: "They are buddies. World's Finest! In fact, they are SUPER FRIENDS. They hang out on a SPACE STATION. Superman throws planets around. What, exactly, is there to 'v' about?" But I guess that's all been retconned a half-dozen times or whatever; who knows.
Also, my brain says the obvious move would be to just give Bruce Timm and the team behind The Flash/Arrow a whole bunch of money and put them in charge of everything. They'd totally crush it.
Thirdly, eh. It's just a trailer. We don't really know anything. I'm sure I'll see it and at least enjoy it in a midling sort of way. Everybody's competent, if not optimal. (Hey, STAR WARS!!)
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