Question for those who vape
Christine_72
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Sorry, I didn't know where else to ask this question. Chit chat didn't seem like the right place as it seems to be all fun and games over there...
Anyway my question is to those who have gone from smoking cigarettes to using vaporisers. I have been using one for 2mths. I am very worried about the Diacetyl in the flavours, which apparently causes "popcorn lung" and goodness knows what else...
I ordered 3 flavours which are Diacetyl free, but they taste disgusting. All the yummy flavours contain it!!
What are your thoughts, are you worried about this stuff?
Anyway my question is to those who have gone from smoking cigarettes to using vaporisers. I have been using one for 2mths. I am very worried about the Diacetyl in the flavours, which apparently causes "popcorn lung" and goodness knows what else...
I ordered 3 flavours which are Diacetyl free, but they taste disgusting. All the yummy flavours contain it!!
What are your thoughts, are you worried about this stuff?
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I had no idea about this popcorn lung thing. Im smoking my e-cig now and I now want to quit. Ahhhh0
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Seriously, don´t listen to the scaremongers. Of course vaping is not healthy but is so much more healthy than smoking. It´s all about risk reduction. And it has the added benefit of appetite reduction too.0
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I think you'd have to "vape" about 2 packs a day for it to be a concern. Though, when you're ready to wean off, maybe you have a tool to help.0
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i have no clue and whatever that popcorn thing is, youd probably have to vape a WHOLE lot and its still probably better than the chemicals in cigs LOL
i used my e cig (just a reg menthol light type flavor similar to what i smoked) to QUIT smoking and over about 6 months reduced the nicotene from 18 to 0. i still use it on occasion but really, its a hand mouth habit now and i can take it or leave it (ex, when we were on vacation last week, i only used it when i was at my computer checking emails).
maybe work on weaning yourself off the nicotene and then reducing the hand mouth habit until you can get rid of it completely?0 -
christinev297 wrote: »Sorry, I didn't know where else to ask this question. Chit chat didn't seem like the right place as it seems to be all fun and games over there...
Anyway my question is to those who have gone from smoking cigarettes to using vaporisers. I have been using one for 2mths. I am very worried about the Diacetyl in the flavours, which apparently causes "popcorn lung" and goodness knows what else...
I ordered 3 flavours which are Diacetyl free, but they taste disgusting. All the yummy flavours contain it!!
What are your thoughts, are you worried about this stuff?
I tried to vape but found I have a sensitivity to the chemical compounds in them. Unless you are vaping 24/7 I don't think it would be a huge issue. You traded one habit for another but its still better than cigarettes.0 -
The nicotine addiction is over within 48 - 72 hours of quitting cigarettes cold turkey, then it's all mental. Vaping is just prolonging the agony and still isn't good for you.0
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Not sure what chemical your talking about to be honest, and I vape. 125 days and not one smoke.
I looked it up...Diacetyl occurs naturally in alcoholic beverages and is added to some foods to impart its buttery flavor. I wouldn't worry about it....vape scaremongers.
My juice has the following 4 ingredients
Vegetable glycerin, nicotine, propylene glycol and flavor.
https://canadavapes.com/health/propylene-glycol-safety.html0 -
As far as I recall all but one case of disease is from people who work in the food industry. People in the food industry have a much higher level of exposure than consumers. The one consumer with disease ate several bags of popcorn daily for 10 years.
For edible products I would not worry about Diacetyl. With a varied diet it is unlikely that you would consume enough.
As for vaping - do you think your exposure is anywhere near several bags of popcorn a day?
I vape. I rotate between 5 flavors. Only 1 of them has diacetyl in it. If all of the flavors had diacetyl I might be concerned (but this is not based on science - there really is not much information yet). Why not try some fruity flavors? I like blueberry, mango, kiwi, dragonfruit, raspberry.0 -
I googled. Several cases from a factory, and one case from a dude who ate popcorn every day for 10 years).0
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Many of our local communities are banning vaping in public places due to health concerns associated with them. The American Lung Association indicates that tests show many of the same carcinogenic properties in vapor that are in cigarettes. Many of the flavors are made in China and are not regulated. As a nurse, I would never recommend vaping to any patient who asked me.
That said, I do know of several people who successfully quit smoking with vaping. I think if using this product temporarily as a step down toward quitting smoking it would be worth the risks. Vaping just for fun doesn't seem to me to be a very good idea.0 -
Many of our local communities are banning vaping in public places due to health concerns associated with them. The American Lung Association indicates that tests show many of the same carcinogenic properties in vapor that are in cigarettes. Many of the flavors are made in China and are not regulated. As a nurse, I would never recommend vaping to any patient who asked me.
That said, I do know of several people who successfully quit smoking with vaping. I think if using this product temporarily as a step down toward quitting smoking it would be worth the risks. Vaping just for fun doesn't seem to me to be a very good idea.
There aren't enough studies to even say any of this.
The juice I use is made in the store as I wait...I would take vaping over smoking 100% and if you can point us to a peer reviewed study or studies that show that vaping liquid has many of the same carcinegenic properties as smoking I would love to see them.
As a nurse you should have an open mind about vaping until more studies are done...
Even my own doctor who is very anti smoking and has done studies on smoking etc isn't concerned with my vaping...as long as I am not smoking and inhaling 4000 known chemicals which include known carcinogenic chemicals she is good.0 -
I have no problem with more studies being done and I would be open to reading them and changing my mind should research indicate they are safe. For now, I will trust The American Lung Association and their reviews of the literature. http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/tobacco-control-advocacy/federal/e-cigarettes.html
As a nurse, I am fully capable of reaching my own conclusions based on the research I have done myself. Thanks and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop jumping to the conclusion that I do not have an open mind. You don't know me.0 -
It was a nurse that turned my family and I onto vaporizers at the end of February while we were visiting my father at the hospital. Five out of six of us have been cigarette smoke free for a month or more now thanks to using a vaporizer, and we're working on convincing the last smoker to join with us. All of those who quit, including myself, had been smokers for at least 10 years, and all had previously tried numerous ways to stop smoking with no success. We all started at a nicotine level of 18-24 and are now using 6-12, looking to be at zero by the start of summer.
I know there may be harmful effects from using the vaporizer, but there are definitely, not possibly, very harmful effects from smoking cigarettes. It is a risk I am willing to take.
I honestly don't understand all of the fear mongering associated with vaping. It's like telling a person trapped on the 10th floor of a burning building that they should rather take their chances jumping out of the window or stay put, but whatever they do, do not take the stairs because it is not 100% clear whether or not the lower floors are also engulfed in flames. I can't make sense of it.0 -
Well, as I said in my first post to this thread, I'm all for people using vaping as a means to quit smoking. Based on research I have read (posted in my link above) I wouldn't be in favor of non-smokers or kids thinking it is fun and harmless because, "It's just vapor" either.0
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I have no problem with more studies being done and I would be open to reading them and changing my mind should research indicate they are safe. For now, I will trust The American Lung Association and their reviews of the literature. http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/tobacco-control-advocacy/federal/e-cigarettes.html
As a nurse, I am fully capable of reaching my own conclusions based on the research I have done myself. Thanks and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop jumping to the conclusion that I do not have an open mind. You don't know me.
that is not peer reviewedPresently there is no government oversight of these products. Absent Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulation, there is no way for the public health and medical community or consumers to know what chemicals are contained in e-cigarettes (also known as electronic nicotine delivery systems or ENDS) or what the short- and long-term health implications might be.
bolded part indicates not peer reviewed and there aren't enough studies on these products let alone peer reviewed.
and this part is indicating propylene glycol is an preservative in food and Propylene glycol is used in veterinary medicine as an oral treatment for hyperketonaemia and it is used in drugs for humans......and it has to be in high does in oral consumption by humans for it to be an issue.
as a nurse you should know this.
and based on your first post
that is closed minded.The American Lung Association indicates that tests show many of the same carcinogenic properties in vapor that are in cigarettes. Many of the flavors are made in China and are not regulated. As a nurse, I would never recommend vaping to any patient who asked me.
I don't need to know you personally to see that the statement above is close minded.0 -
I didn't intend my post to be directed at you as a jab, DaneanP, sorry if it came off that way. I was just putting the POV of one long-time smoker out there.
I know using a vaporizer isn't as healthy as not smoking anything at all, but I also know it appears to be leaps and bounds healthier than cigarettes. It's a risks vs benefits thing, and for me the risks are worth the benefits. I would not be recommending vaping to anyone either though unless they were a smoker looking to kick the habit.0 -
I have no problem with more studies being done and I would be open to reading them and changing my mind should research indicate they are safe. For now, I will trust The American Lung Association and their reviews of the literature. http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/tobacco-control-advocacy/federal/e-cigarettes.html
As a nurse, I am fully capable of reaching my own conclusions based on the research I have done myself. Thanks and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop jumping to the conclusion that I do not have an open mind. You don't know me.
that is not peer reviewedPresently there is no government oversight of these products. Absent Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulation, there is no way for the public health and medical community or consumers to know what chemicals are contained in e-cigarettes (also known as electronic nicotine delivery systems or ENDS) or what the short- and long-term health implications might be.
bolded part indicates not peer reviewed and there aren't enough studies on these products let alone peer reviewed.
and this part is indicating propylene glycol is an preservative in food and Propylene glycol is used in veterinary medicine as an oral treatment for hyperketonaemia and it is used in drugs for humans......and it has to be in high does in oral consumption by humans for it to be an issue.
as a nurse you should know this.
and based on your first post
that is closed minded.The American Lung Association indicates that tests show many of the same carcinogenic properties in vapor that are in cigarettes. Many of the flavors are made in China and are not regulated. As a nurse, I would never recommend vaping to any patient who asked me.
I don't need to know you personally to see that the statement above is close minded.
Look obviously I have touched a nerve with you. But again, since you don't know me AT ALL I fail to see how you can leap to such a conclusion about how open my mind is.
@jalynn82 no worries. I'm not taking this personally. Just a discussion on a message board. Thanks for the post.
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I quit smoking using an e-cig. I looked at it as risk reduction and a tool to help me quit with the ultimate goal of getting of the vape too. I just kept lowering my nicotine until I was at zero...I did this over the course of about 6 months and then continued to vape here and there, but without the nicotine I found myself forgetting to reach for my e-cig. Ultimately, both my batteries dies and I never replaced them. I haven't smoked a cigarette in almost three years and my batteries died 2 years ago.0
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the post above is great.
to the Original poster great job on quitting smoking. Next goal should be reduce and then eliminate vape. You will be healthier and then not worry about the unregulated health risks.0 -
I have no problem with more studies being done and I would be open to reading them and changing my mind should research indicate they are safe. For now, I will trust The American Lung Association and their reviews of the literature. http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/tobacco-control-advocacy/federal/e-cigarettes.html
As a nurse, I am fully capable of reaching my own conclusions based on the research I have done myself. Thanks and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop jumping to the conclusion that I do not have an open mind. You don't know me.
The bolded part is where you lost me. If the ALA was actually interested in the well-being of Americans' lungs, they'd all be getting on board with vaping and encouraging it as a smoke cessation product. Instead they shill for products like Nicotrol and Chantix which are far more harmful.0 -
christinev297 wrote: »Sorry, I didn't know where else to ask this question. Chit chat didn't seem like the right place as it seems to be all fun and games over there...
Anyway my question is to those who have gone from smoking cigarettes to using vaporisers. I have been using one for 2mths. I am very worried about the Diacetyl in the flavours, which apparently causes "popcorn lung" and goodness knows what else...
I ordered 3 flavours which are Diacetyl free, but they taste disgusting. All the yummy flavours contain it!!
What are your thoughts, are you worried about this stuff?
Christine, there are literally hundreds of vape vendors that sell Diacetyl-free juice. Go to the e-cigarette-forum if you want to really get the inside scoop on all things vape.0 -
Where I live, "vape" is still used as a term for weed vaporizing. Smoking, and by relation e-cigs are really uncommon in my area, so it always takes me a minute to realize that people aren't talking about cannabis....LOL.
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You might find more info/studies here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ and here: http://casaa.org/
At the first, you can also talk to some of the manufacturers of juice and flavorings directly to get info on exactly how much you're getting in the juice. Some of them also do their own livestreams here: http://vapetv.com/ (usually starting around 8pm Eastern each night), and you can ask them in chat during their shows.0 -
I've somewhat skimmed through the replies but felt it might be helpful if I commented anyway....
I was a smoker from 15 until I was 24. I'm now fixing to be 27 and have vaped for years with only improvement in my health. I've used tons of different juices from a ton of different places and my only problem has been with sensitivity to high levels of pg. I now use 100% VG liquid and no issues. ALL the ingredients in juice have been approved by the FDA for consumption in food so I wouldn't fret about it too much! Just be proud your taking a huge step into the next level of healthy living! If you have any other questions about vaping feel free to message me and I'll do my best to help you out. Best of luck on the rest of your journey!0 -
christinev297 wrote: »Sorry, I didn't know where else to ask this question. Chit chat didn't seem like the right place as it seems to be all fun and games over there...
Anyway my question is to those who have gone from smoking cigarettes to using vaporisers. I have been using one for 2mths. I am very worried about the Diacetyl in the flavours, which apparently causes "popcorn lung" and goodness knows what else...
I ordered 3 flavours which are Diacetyl free, but they taste disgusting. All the yummy flavours contain it!!
What are your thoughts, are you worried about this stuff?
I'm guessing you ditched cigarrettes because they're really not compatible with this healthier lifestyle one naturally gravitates towards when we get into this weight loss ordeal? >.<
I've had this on my mind too.... but it's hard to give up my night time ciggies (or coffee and ciggies), especially considering they have zero cals, lol. But good for you, very well done. I'm not there yet, but I'll get there
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Hm. I have no idea what you're all taking about with vaping. In my mind it's smoking or not smoking (e-smokes don't appeal to me at all). But I'm curious about what vaping is. I'll have to look into this...0
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I vape unflavored liquid most of the time. In fact, I make my own (no, this isn't weird, it's actually quite common in the vaping world). Just PG (propylene glycol, like the stuff in asthma inhalers--no, it's not toxic) and nicotine I purchase from a lab supply company (both are USP certified, so I'm assured of the quality). No worries about diacetyl, etc.
If I want a flavored liquid, there are many small manufacturers out there that are completely transparent in giving the sources of there ingredients (really, just shoot an email to some of them with your concerns--those that respond positively are worth your time and money).
I second the advice to read up on the e-cigarette-forum. Those folks know their stuff. Look through their listing of manufacturers to find a trust-worthy source for your liquid.0 -
Thank you all so much for replying.
I smoked for over 25 years, and spent a damn fortune every week, over $100 (Australia, more expensive). I saw my brother in law effortlessly swap from smokes to
"vaping", i hate that word! We tried it and stopped smoking the next day after purchasing the kit.
Then of course hubby starting googling :grumble: and here i am with the diacetyl quandary...
Like i said, we ordered a few D free flavours and they taste like Manure :sick:
I do feel better, less out of breath and dont cough my lungs up every morning any more. I did ask my doctor, he said it's fine and 100 times better than smoking, but he is not well versed in this subject at all.atypicalsmith wrote: »The nicotine addiction is over within 48 - 72 hours of quitting cigarettes cold turkey, then it's all mental. Vaping is just prolonging the agony and still isn't good for you.
We add in liquid Nicotine as well as the flavours. trying to reduce the mgs with every mix.christinev297 wrote: »Sorry, I didn't know where else to ask this question. Chit chat didn't seem like the right place as it seems to be all fun and games over there...
Anyway my question is to those who have gone from smoking cigarettes to using vaporisers. I have been using one for 2mths. I am very worried about the Diacetyl in the flavours, which apparently causes "popcorn lung" and goodness knows what else...
I ordered 3 flavours which are Diacetyl free, but they taste disgusting. All the yummy flavours contain it!!
What are your thoughts, are you worried about this stuff?
Christine, there are literally hundreds of vape vendors that sell Diacetyl-free juice. Go to the e-cigarette-forum if you want to really get the inside scoop on all things vape.
The website we purchase everything from, had a choice of 9 Diacetyl free flavours. I don't want to have to order from Overseas
Thank you everyone for your help, i will definitely check out the forums and links y'all posted. Much appreciated xx
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I have vaped for 5yrs, and i have had no issues.christinev297 wrote: »Sorry, I didn't know where else to ask this question. Chit chat didn't seem like the right place as it seems to be all fun and games over there...
Anyway my question is to those who have gone from smoking cigarettes to using vaporisers. I have been using one for 2mths. I am very worried about the Diacetyl in the flavours, which apparently causes "popcorn lung" and goodness knows what else...
I ordered 3 flavours which are Diacetyl free, but they taste disgusting. All the yummy flavours contain it!!
What are your thoughts, are you worried about this stuff?
I did a little research
PG boils at 188 degree's C
VG boils at 290 degree's C
diacetyl boils at 88 degree's C
Diacetyl appears to be used in buttery type flavorings. If you're vaping stuff like butterscotch or creames. Diacetyl might be an issue.
I doubt they will be in tobacco based flavorings which i vape.
my go to's are espresso and custard flavour. The custard may have to go...
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