UP24 and TDEE

Talan79

When I use this calculator, I get the same BMR as UP tells me. If I set the calculator to no exercise (since I can track exercise calories burned using the app), it tells me my TDEE is 1550. UP will remain at BMR and only increase with steps/activity logged.
On a non active day, UP will only have me at 1385 by midnight. But TDEE at says without exercise in at 1550. Is the band not taking into account what TDEE does? Idk, like digestion and breathing?

PAV8888

MFP calculates your anticipated non-exercise burn for the day and then deducts the caloric deficit you said you want to achieve (e.g. 500Cal for a lb a week loss)

That amount is what MFP starts your day with.

Then, as you add exercise, it adds to that amount so that you can eat back your exercise calories.

Your eventual TDEE is equal to what you started the day with + the exercise calories you "earned" during the day + the deficit you initially chose (the 500Cal mentioned above)

These numbers are based on a guess on MFP's part based on your age, sex, height, and weight.

Your jawbone probably operates on a similar principle based on the information you input, and comes up with its own estimate of what your TDEE for the day is. It then uses your steps and their frequency to figure out how active you are throughout the day.

When the two apps connect to each other MFP compares its estimate of your TDEE to Jawbone's estimate of your TDEE.

If Jawbone thinks you burned more calories during the day, MFP gives you a positive adjustment.

If Jawbone thinks you burned less calories during the day, MFP ignores it unless you tell MFP to enable negative adjustments.

When you enable negative adjustments you essentially tell MFP to get out of the TDEE guessing business since you are just using the figures provided by Jawbone.

If you setup Jawbone and MFP the same way (in terms of height, weight, desired deficit, etc) and if you do not receive a positive adjustment, this means that for whatever reason your caloric burn as measured by Jawbone did not exceed the burn that was predicted by MFP.

Usually the first 3,500 to 5,000 steps correspond to MFP's sedentary level. Then you are "lightly active" till around the 10,000 step mark which puts you in the active level. And over 15,000 you are close to the Very Active level

Talan79

Well, goal isn't wait loss. I don't input any exercise into MFP. And I don't pay attention to calories earned. I'm working on a recomp so I eat at what I think is maintanance everyday. Jawbone and TDEE have slightly different numbers. Was trying to see which is more accurate. I'm using http://iifym.com/tdee-calculator/, not the numbers from MFP.

SezxyStef

tzarba wrote: »

Well, goal isn't wait loss. I don't input any exercise into MFP. And I don't pay attention to calories earned. I'm working on a recomp so I eat at what I think is maintanance everyday. Jawbone and TDEE have slightly different numbers. Was trying to see which is more accurate. I'm using http://iifym.com/tdee-calculator/, not the numbers from MFP.

any website is going to give you an estimate on TDEE...it's not perfect.

And TDEE is a moving number typically...it's based on your movement and can change as much as 200-400 if not more depending on your exercise/movement.

I use my own data to get my TDEE. And my TDEE changes drastically from season to season depending on what I am doing.

My Jawbone is on me all the time but I do not pay attention to the calorie numbers on it either...it's an estimate as well.

If you are doing a recomp then you need to play with your numbers (TDEE) to find out what it really is. If your TDEE is 1550 are you shorter than average? how much do you weigh? How much exercise do you do? What weight lifting program are you doing? Cardio? etc.

Talan79

I'm 5"2, 117 lbs. Body fat % tested bn 18.5 with clippers and 20.5 on a scale. I lift 6 days a week. 20 min of cardio before each session. 3 days legs, 3 days upper body. On upper body days, I'm doing about 35 min. Leg days are 40-45 min.
I used to do a lot of cardio, 4 miles on upper body days, 2 on leg days. I've cut back to focus on lifting.

Liftng4Lis

SezxyStef wrote: »

any website is going to give you an estimate on TDEE...it's not perfect.

And TDEE is a moving number typically...it's based on your movement and can change as much as 200-400 if not more depending on your exercise/movement.

I use my own data to get my TDEE. And my TDEE changes drastically from season to season depending on what I am doing.

My Jawbone is on me all the time but I do not pay attention to the calorie numbers on it either...it's an estimate as well.

If you are doing a recomp then you need to play with your numbers (TDEE) to find out what it really is. If your TDEE is 1550 are you shorter than average? how much do you weigh? How much exercise do you do? What weight lifting program are you doing? Cardio? etc.

agree

SezxyStef

tzarba wrote: »

I'm 5"2, 117 lbs. Body fat % tested bn 18.5 with clippers and 20.5 on a scale. I lift 6 days a week. 20 min of cardio before each session. 3 days legs, 3 days upper body. On upper body days, I'm doing about 35 min. Leg days are 40-45 min.
I used to do a lot of cardio, 4 miles on upper body days, 2 on leg days. I've cut back to focus on lifting.

When I go to IIFYM.com your TDEE based on your stats and what you say you exercise is 1950 not sure why you are calculating your TDEE with no exercise...that's not TDEE that is NEAT...and what does it matter what your NEAT is? It's TDEE that matters when you are doing a recomp...and MFP is known for over estimating calorie burns...so this is not the best place to track them...

DeguelloTex

tzarba wrote: »

Well, goal isn't wait loss. I don't input any exercise into MFP. And I don't pay attention to calories earned. I'm working on a recomp so I eat at what I think is maintanance everyday. Jawbone and TDEE have slightly different numbers. Was trying to see which is more accurate. I'm using http://iifym.com/tdee-calculator/, not the numbers from MFP.

The one that's more accurate is the one that more closely matches your actual results.

I use the UP24. I don't especially care if it's accurate; I care that it's consistent. Once I figured out how many steps I need to take to burn what the UP24 thinks is the right number of calories to give me my expected weight loss based on my caloric intake, I was good to go.

Is that my actual TDEE? I don't know and I don't care. I know that if I am consistent with my movement, UP24 is very consistent with my estimated burn. If I am consistent with my caloric intake, the two balance and I lose what I expect. The same thing thing apply to maintenance, recomp, and bulking.

Talan79

When I put in exercise I got 1950 as well. But without exercise I was getting 1550. I input minutes of lifting into the jawbone app, and my cardio is on treadmill, so I don't count my miles since jawbone does that for me. My daily burn with lifting and cardio doesn't reach 1950 on jawbone. I hit 1650-1750.
That's where that difference of about 200 calories is using jawbone vs the calculator. Without exercise, IIFY has my resting TDEE at 1550, vs jawbone at 1385 on a non gym day. I know it's all a calculation, I just got caught up in numbers and wanted to see which would be more accurate.

SezxyStef

tzarba wrote: »

When I put in exercise I got 1950 as well. But without exercise I was getting 1550. I input minutes of lifting into the jawbone app, and my cardio is on treadmill, so I don't count my miles since jawbone does that for me. My daily burn with lifting and cardio doesn't reach 1950 on jawbone. I hit 1650-1750.
That's where that difference of about 200 calories is using jawbone vs the calculator. Without exercise, IIFY has my resting TDEE at 1550, vs jawbone at 1385 on a non gym day. I know it's all a calculation, I just got caught up in numbers and wanted to see which would be more accurate.

Yah I don't look at my Jawbones calorie goal it has me 484 over atm...I have prelogged 1803. Yesterday it had me at 40 under with a lifting session, 12612 steps (1.5mile walk plus regular activity)...

That's because I know my TDEE currently is about 2k...based on this calculation

Total Calories consumed+(total lbs lost x 3500)/#days (21-28 days worth of data)

That's how I get my TDEE and it's an ever changing number...but on average for the winter/spring it's 2k...now come may it will be going up to almost 2500 with all the walking/biking/swimming/ and now running along with my lifting I will be doing.

DeguelloTex

It's easy to get caught up in the numbers, no doubt. Still, the only way to know which one is more accurate is to know which one more closely matches your results.

Over the course of a week's normal activity, including lifting, if I get just under 12,500 steps per day (on average) my UP24 TDEE matches almost exactly with my IIFYM TDEE when set to exercise three times a week. Is that the "right" number of steps, in reality? I don't know, but I know getting that number of steps makes all my numbers play nicely together, whether the UP24 is right about my actual exercise and metabolic burns or not.

I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else, but it works well for me.

Talan79

Yea, I get too caught up in numbers. I'll keep eating at what jawbone says is maintanance. If after a month, I lose weight then I know my TDEE is higher. If it stays the same, then I found my current TDEE. Thank you everyone.,