Crazy? Not counting fruit and/or vegetables
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Hmmm does this mean unlimited avocado?? Sign me up!
Seriously though, can you maintain a deficit without counting fruits and veggies? Yes, if you don’t eat much else or that much fruit/veggies. I personally don’t see the point of not tracking them, particularly as some can be pretty high in calories (e.g. peas, bananas, apples). Then again, I don’t eat much fruit… or vegetables. . I like to weigh everything, especially fruit, and just focus on my macros, especially protein.
It’s really easy to underestimate fruit calories when you’re tracking it (i.e. going by size rather than weight), let alone when you’re not!0 -
Meh...Personally I've always logged fruit and berries, because it does contain a bit calories, but mostly to keep a record of what I've eaten and usually I don't weigh it. As an example the pie I had for lunch today the zucchini, Spinach, and Tomato in it contain around 50 calories, nothing compared to the egg, flour, and butter. So I'll eyeball fruit and berries, I'll be a little more accurate if I eat a lot of it.0
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I did WW to great success (lost 75 lbs on WW online and kept it off for a few years). Your daily points are structured to take into account your veggies. It didn't include avocado or strach veggies. It would not work where you have a calorie goal that didn't take into account a few hundred from veggies the way the WW points allowance does.
Now that I am doing MFP I am counting everything since my calorie goal assumes that I am tracking everything I eat vs when I was on WW and it was assuming I wasn't counting veggies but built it in that I was eating them. My advice don't try to do half of one program and half of the other one (if that is what you were thinking of doing). My weight loss is about the same on MFP as when I did WW online.0 -
I'm not at WW and never have been. I didn't count the veggies/fruit while using MFP when I first started using this system.0
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I did WW to great success (lost 75 lbs on WW online and kept it off for a few years). Your daily points are structured to take into account your veggies. It didn't include avocado or strach veggies. It would not work where you have a calorie goal that didn't take into account a few hundred from veggies the way the WW points allowance does.
Now that I am doing MFP I am counting everything since my calorie goal assumes that I am tracking everything I eat vs when I was on WW and it was assuming I wasn't counting veggies but built it in that I was eating them. My advice don't try to do half of one program and half of the other one (if that is what you were thinking of doing). My weight loss is about the same on MFP as when I did WW online.
Exactly. Look at it like this: a cup of passion fruit and a couple of large bananas and you will undo your whole deficit if you're going for a 500 calorie deficit. I believe the new WW system has 800-1000 base calories? Either way, their base calories are low to account for "free" stuff, and it's assumed that most people don't consume a lot of them anyway.0 -
They're generally lower in calories than other foods. She does count them now, but she was probably wondering why she lost without counting them in the beginning.
OP if you have your calories at 1200, and since you have more than 50 pounds to lose you were likely still at a deficit (didn't eat a lot of fruits and vegetables). That and when you first start dieting you drop a few pounds of water weight, so even if you did eat enough to cancel out your deficit you would have still lost when you switched from eating high starch/sugar to more fiber/water.0 -
Fruits and veg have calories. Programs like WW don't count them as to get people to eat more of them as most veg is pretty low calorie...so it's not likely someone is going to eat enough to blow their targets up. Also, to compensate, WW does inflate the point value of other food items.
Fruit can be calorie dense though and I believe the even WW only allows one serving as "free".
As someone who eats a ton of fruit and veg and pretty healthfully in general, I can attest to the fact that you can still gain weight eating "right"...it still comes down to calories and energy balance.0 -
I'm having 60 g of avocado on my salad later today. Avocado 60g =100 calories. TRACK your fruits and veggies. If it has cals track them.0
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If you are counting anything, you might as well count everything.
It's true that fruit and veggies may fill you up and displace higher-calorie items, and therefore aid weight loss, but that is not guaranteed, and even if it were, if you are trying to figure out how many calories you are eating, you have to include all sources.0 -
alright, cool cool.0
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Nice discussion. Gave me much to consider (as a former failed WW member) I can't seem to eat enough veggies that would cause me to stuff myself. I didn't get fat on the high fiber, low carb veggies. I could easily overeat fruit, esp. fresh. I just love MFP. Makes it easy to keep track of cals., carbs, exercise. I love the feedback. Makes me hopeful I will lose weight by keeping a deficit going. I've lost alm 3lbs in a week. Which is good for me and my post menopause body. Good luck to you all. Pam0
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