500 calories??
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Yesterday I was talking with a friend and I was telling about how I change my eating habits and I am exercising now ( according to myfitnesspal I should consume 1200 calories a day to lose weight) She told me she lose 20 lbs and expect to lose 20 lb more to reach her goal with a diet a DOCTOR told her but she only can eat 500 calories a days, don't seem to healthy to me but she was looking a little upset when I told her that, what you guys think about that 500 calories diet???
Is she doing HCG shots?
Edited: I should have read through the other posts first.
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I'd be asking a lot more questions about this "doctor".0
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My gp supported and supervised me on a 600 cal replacement diet but only because my bmi was 40. He took me off it when I started passing out and losing clumps of hair0
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Most GPs have very little education on nutrition. I don't know if this has changed, but when I graduated from nursing school 20 years ago, I found out that I had more hours of nutrition education logged for my BSN than the MDs got.
Edit to add - and my nutrition education was very basic at best.0 -
Even 700lb+ people aren't told to stick with 500 calories, even if you're on bed rest. I'd get a new doctor, that sounds way too extreme.0
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UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too0 -
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm281333.htm
Nutritionist? Implicitly supporting illegal treatments in a public forum?0 -
roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
The hormone released by the female body during pregnancy causes the body to burn 2500-3000 calories? How are women gaining weight during pregnancy if this hormone causes that to happen, especially since the amount of the hormone present increases exponentially during pregnancy? You don't need to be a pensive velociraptor to see the holes in that logic.0 -
Thanks everybody for your answers, I didn't want to create a conflict just wanted to heard some of your guys opinions, to me seems to extreme only consume 500 calories a day because you are not learning to eat properly and no the girl is no extremely obese her goal is 40 lbs down, the day she finish these so called diet the yoyo effect will hit her hard but according to her all diets have the yoyo effect which I disagree, to me is not only to stick to a diet for a short period is to change your eating habits and stick with it.0
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UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.0 -
Nope, it does not completely disappear.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
Even if you are not diabetic, a severely low Intake can be dangerous. Most people realize this when they get lightheaded or dizzy, but others continue to push through. Would you like to know what happens if your blood glucose drops? You become altered and confused. As it continues to drop, you risk passing out and/or becoming unresponsive. You can even die if it drops too low. No, BGL is NOt just a concern for diabetics. Anyones BGL can drop. Glucose level chnaged through out the day so just having a blood test every few weeks would not be sufficient monitoring. Potassium is not the only thing to worry about.
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UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.0 -
In the weight loss world, many "doctors" actually are PhDs not MDs. And many times their PhDs have little to do with nutrition. Mostly they have to do with $$$$$$.0
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roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
You're a nutritionist and you believe and support all that? Really?
This, ladies and gentlemen, is why nutritionist =\= registered dietician.
Every HCG "doctor supervised" program I've heard of is run by a DC (chiropractor), or ND (naturopathy). Chiropractors still reject germ theory of disease. They are snake oil salesmen and charlatans and 500kcal diets are bunk with or without HCG (which is completely ineffective when taken as an oral supplement).
In some men who are testosterone deficient, daily HCG injections can help with hormone levels while sparing the testes. There is no other medical reason why anyone else should use HCG. It is not a weight loss drug.0 -
Nope, it does not completely disappear.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
Even if you are not diabetic, a severely low Intake can be dangerous. Most people realize this when they get lightheaded or dizzy, but others continue to push through. Would you like to know what happens if your blood glucose drops? You become altered and confused. As it continues to drop, you risk passing out and/or becoming unresponsive. You can even die if it drops too low. No, BGL is NOt just a concern for diabetics. Anyones BGL can drop. Glucose level chnaged through out the day so just having a blood test every few weeks would not be sufficient monitoring. Potassium is not the only thing to worry about.
Your body can continue to regulate blood sugar through gluconeogenesis. In healthy people, it wouldn't be an issue. I work as a chemist for a pharmaceutical company. I'm pretty sure I know how hypoglycemia works considering I work with insulin every day.0 -
UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
That is completely false. Just because a doctor puts you on that diet doesn't eliminate the risks. You think no doctor has ever made the wrong decision, diagnosis, maybe given the wrong medication? Just because you have MD in the title doesn't mean anything you tell a patient to so is correct or safe. So you are 100% wrong.
You went ahead and said someone has a reading comprehension issue but then you said something like that. Just mind blowing.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
You said a doctor supervising eliminates the risk and now you admit a doctor can be bad. Right, not about calories. Lack of protein requires no need to increase calories in order to increase protein. Wow.
Lack of protein doesn't require a caloric increase. It just may mean you need to eat chicken instead of cookies.
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