Mfp setting cal goal at below bmr?
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TimothyFish wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
Didn't we have a lengthy discussion about this thing last week? Arbitrarily telling someone whose weight we don't know at what rate they should be losing doesn't make sense.
Ideal is key word. lengthy discussion? We have never had any lengthy discussion on anything other than you don't weigh your food out.
By "we", I don't mean you, I mean the MFP community. The earliest reference to this thing I can find is an answer to a question on Yahoo Answers in February 2012. Pretty much everything else is people reposting it to MFP and people quoting the posts on MFP, so there is no evidence to back it up. I'm pretty sure that no one who is 215 pounds and is trying to reach 200 pounds thinks it is ideal to take more than half a year to get there.
"I'm pretty sure" means an assumption will follow but ok.
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TimothyFish wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
Didn't we have a lengthy discussion about this thing last week? Arbitrarily telling someone whose weight we don't know at what rate they should be losing doesn't make sense.
Ideal is key word. lengthy discussion? We have never had any lengthy discussion on anything other than you don't weigh your food out.
By "we", I don't mean you, I mean the MFP community. The earliest reference to this thing I can find is an answer to a question on Yahoo Answers in February 2012. Pretty much everything else is people reposting it to MFP and people quoting the posts on MFP, so there is no evidence to back it up. I'm pretty sure that no one who is 215 pounds and is trying to reach 200 pounds thinks it is ideal to take more than half a year to get there.
really...I have 10lbs to go...for my new goal...if it takes me till fall I don't care...when it was 15 I didn't care it could take till fall.
When I had 60lbs to lose I didn't care if it took over a year.
Those who are ready to do this and do it right get "you didn't gain it in a month..." concept.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
Didn't we have a lengthy discussion about this thing last week? Arbitrarily telling someone whose weight we don't know at what rate they should be losing doesn't make sense.
Ideal is key word. lengthy discussion? We have never had any lengthy discussion on anything other than you don't weigh your food out.
By "we", I don't mean you, I mean the MFP community. The earliest reference to this thing I can find is an answer to a question on Yahoo Answers in February 2012. Pretty much everything else is people reposting it to MFP and people quoting the posts on MFP, so there is no evidence to back it up. I'm pretty sure that no one who is 215 pounds and is trying to reach 200 pounds thinks it is ideal to take more than half a year to get there.
really...I have 10lbs to go...for my new goal...if it takes me till fall I don't care...when it was 15 I didn't care it could take till fall.
When I had 60lbs to lose I didn't care if it took over a year.
Those who are ready to do this and do it right get "you didn't gain it in a month..." concept.
Fine. If you want to lose weight at 0.5 lbs/week, that's your business, but there's no reason to tell people that that is ideal, when all of the medical type people are using numbers like 1-2lbs per week or 1% of body weight.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »Fine. If you want to lose weight at 0.5 lbs/week, that's your business, but there's no reason to tell people that that is ideal, when all of the medical type people are using numbers like 1-2lbs per week or 1% of body weight.
What medical science uses 1% of body weight as a gauge? I've never heard that, and I think that sounds too aggressive for many people.
1-2lbs/week, yes, unless you're fairly small in which case lower is better.
Personally I like the notion of TDEE-20%. But whatever works for you.
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TimothyFish wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
Didn't we have a lengthy discussion about this thing last week? Arbitrarily telling someone whose weight we don't know at what rate they should be losing doesn't make sense.
Ideal is key word. lengthy discussion? We have never had any lengthy discussion on anything other than you don't weigh your food out.
By "we", I don't mean you, I mean the MFP community. The earliest reference to this thing I can find is an answer to a question on Yahoo Answers in February 2012. Pretty much everything else is people reposting it to MFP and people quoting the posts on MFP, so there is no evidence to back it up. I'm pretty sure that no one who is 215 pounds and is trying to reach 200 pounds thinks it is ideal to take more than half a year to get there.
really...I have 10lbs to go...for my new goal...if it takes me till fall I don't care...when it was 15 I didn't care it could take till fall.
When I had 60lbs to lose I didn't care if it took over a year.
Those who are ready to do this and do it right get "you didn't gain it in a month..." concept.
Fine. If you want to lose weight at 0.5 lbs/week, that's your business, but there's no reason to tell people that that is ideal, when all of the medical type people are using numbers like 1-2lbs per week or 1% of body weight.
Medical type people don't care to maintain muscle mass either. What is a medical type person anyways?
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yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
I see this posted on here a lot, what is the source? What criteria is being used to determine "ideal"?0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
I see this posted on here a lot, what is the source? What criteria is being used to determine "ideal"?
IDK the original source?
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TimothyFish wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
Didn't we have a lengthy discussion about this thing last week? Arbitrarily telling someone whose weight we don't know at what rate they should be losing doesn't make sense.
Ideal is key word. lengthy discussion? We have never had any lengthy discussion on anything other than you don't weigh your food out.
By "we", I don't mean you, I mean the MFP community. The earliest reference to this thing I can find is an answer to a question on Yahoo Answers in February 2012. Pretty much everything else is people reposting it to MFP and people quoting the posts on MFP, so there is no evidence to back it up. I'm pretty sure that no one who is 215 pounds and is trying to reach 200 pounds thinks it is ideal to take more than half a year to get there.
really...I have 10lbs to go...for my new goal...if it takes me till fall I don't care...when it was 15 I didn't care it could take till fall.
When I had 60lbs to lose I didn't care if it took over a year.
Those who are ready to do this and do it right get "you didn't gain it in a month..." concept.
Fine. If you want to lose weight at 0.5 lbs/week, that's your business, but there's no reason to tell people that that is ideal, when all of the medical type people are using numbers like 1-2lbs per week or 1% of body weight.
Really?
I've never seem the percentage in any study apart from the one on athletes and even then it was as a maximum and an afterthought to 1-2lbs0 -
yopeeps025 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
I see this posted on here a lot, what is the source? What criteria is being used to determine "ideal"?
IDK the original source?
Without knowing the source or criteria used, how do you know it's ideal?
Anyone else know?0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
I see this posted on here a lot, what is the source? What criteria is being used to determine "ideal"?
I think it's something MFP used to provide in its goal-setting section to new members?
It's a decent gauge if your height and weight are somewhere in the middle of average. It doesn't really work for people on either side of the curve, though.
But it is simpler to explain than TDEE-20%, and it is designed to prevent every newbie from automatically choosing 2lbs/week (though far too many do anyway).
Personally, I think this site would be MUCH better if MFP got rid of that question altogether and automatically calculated the deficit for members in the guided process. The ability to customize the deficit should be reserved for advanced users.0 -
There's always one who has to have a say on everything isn't there lol.
Some good advice here OP.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
I see this posted on here a lot, what is the source? What criteria is being used to determine "ideal"?
IDK the original source?
Without knowing the source or criteria used, how do you know it's ideal?
Anyone else know?
IDK if it is ideal. I don't really follow that anyways. My goals those are very different from most people.
I do know what a large deficit + lots of cardio+ weight training= a lot of muscle lost.
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This is what I'm worried about. While it would be awesome to lose it quickly, I don't want to look like a flabby blob with little muscle by the end of it.yopeeps025 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
I see this posted on here a lot, what is the source? What criteria is being used to determine "ideal"?
IDK the original source?
Without knowing the source or criteria used, how do you know it's ideal?
Anyone else know?
IDK if it is ideal. I don't really follow that anyways. My goals those are very different from most people.
I do know what a large deficit + lots of cardio+ weight training= a lot of muscle lost.
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forgtmenot wrote: »
This is what I'm worried about. While it would be awesome to lose it quickly, I don't want to look like a flabby blob with little muscle by the end of it.yopeeps025 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
I see this posted on here a lot, what is the source? What criteria is being used to determine "ideal"?
IDK the original source?
Without knowing the source or criteria used, how do you know it's ideal?
Anyone else know?
IDK if it is ideal. I don't really follow that anyways. My goals those are very different from most people.
I do know what a large deficit + lots of cardio+ weight training= a lot of muscle lost.
That how I felt on left pic. I saw no change and thought everyone was crazy for thinking so. I was a smaller fat version of myself and I just stop everything. I was not counting calories than either so I know I was more likely on some VLCD then.
I got to a point where I was exercise 12 hours a week for at least one whole month. I also know I was really stupid back than during my weight loss so It almost makes sense on why I gain all of it back.0 -
yopeeps025 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
I see this posted on here a lot, what is the source? What criteria is being used to determine "ideal"?
IDK the original source?
Without knowing the source or criteria used, how do you know it's ideal?
Anyone else know?
IDK if it is ideal. I don't really follow that anyways. My goals those are very different from most people.
I do know what a large deficit + lots of cardio+ weight training= a lot of muscle lost.
Depending on starting weight, muscle loss is almost inevitable. But that is neither here nor there. I was just curious as to the source of this much disseminated info.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
I see this posted on here a lot, what is the source? What criteria is being used to determine "ideal"?
IDK the original source?
Without knowing the source or criteria used, how do you know it's ideal?
Anyone else know?
IDK if it is ideal. I don't really follow that anyways. My goals those are very different from most people.
I do know what a large deficit + lots of cardio+ weight training= a lot of muscle lost.
Depending on starting weight, muscle loss is almost inevitable. But that is neither here nor there. I was just curious as to the source of this much disseminated info.
But a slower weight loss maintains muscle mass than a crash diet right?0 -
yopeeps025 wrote: »But a slower weight loss maintains muscle mass than a crash diet right?
A slower weight loss combined with strength training does tend to preserve more muscle mass than a crash diet, yes.
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yopeeps025 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
I see this posted on here a lot, what is the source? What criteria is being used to determine "ideal"?
IDK the original source?
The earliest place I found it was here: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120302133623AAbeFqH
The next month is the first time it shows up on MFP.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »The earliest place I found it was here: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120302133623AAbeFqH
The next month is the first time it shows up on MFP.
Yeah, so it's forum myth, basically.
Then again, I wouldn't expect it to stop being quoted anytime soon. After all, none of the other forum myths, like starvation mode, eat more to weigh less, superfoods, or paleo, have died out either.0 -
yopeeps025 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I have it set at 2lbs/week. I have 40lbs total to lose.
Here is a great guideline for setting weekly weight loss goals:
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.
I see this posted on here a lot, what is the source? What criteria is being used to determine "ideal"?
IDK the original source?
Without knowing the source or criteria used, how do you know it's ideal?
Anyone else know?
IDK if it is ideal. I don't really follow that anyways. My goals those are very different from most people.
I do know what a large deficit + lots of cardio+ weight training= a lot of muscle lost.
Depending on starting weight, muscle loss is almost inevitable. But that is neither here nor there. I was just curious as to the source of this much disseminated info.
But a slower weight loss maintains muscle mass than a crash diet right?
Depending on diet, exercise and what you mean by "crash diet", yes, it likely will.
ETA: I wouldn't call 2 lbs per week a "crash diet" though.0
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