Can you build muscle without eating a lot of protein?

Terpnista84
Terpnista84 Posts: 517 Member
edited November 18 in Fitness and Exercise
I eat between 60-90 grams a day which is less than my required amount for my weight (152 lbs). But I have quite a bit of definition in my legs because I do a lot of lower body compound movements. So what is going on with my body? Am I burning fat around my muscle or am I gaining muscle?

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  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    yes- but odds are you are just losing body fat and revealing your muscle.

    Muscle building requires carbs- insulin spikes- and unless you're a new beginner (I don't think you are if memory serves me correctly) you're going to need to be in a calorie surplus to be actually gaining size

    Size =/= definition.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    1 gram per Lb of LBM is optimal and more than sufficient. You don't have to eat your weight in protein. Anywhere from 0.8 - 1 gram per Lb of LBM would work.
  • DopeItUp
    DopeItUp Posts: 18,771 Member
    If you're in a surplus, protein intake can be lower and you can probably build muscle with the amount you have listed.

    If you're in a deficit then you're probably just revealing the muscles by eliminating fat on top of them.
  • Terpnista84
    Terpnista84 Posts: 517 Member
    JoRocka wrote: »
    yes- but odds are you are just losing body fat and revealing your muscle.

    Muscle building requires carbs- insulin spikes- and unless you're a new beginner (I don't think you are if memory serves me correctly) you're going to need to be in a calorie surplus to be actually gaining size

    Size =/= definition.

    That's right! I forgot it's a calorie surplus not the protein to gain muscle.

    I knew I couldn't have been gaining muscle because I always eat at a deficit. But I feel like my legs are getting thicker due to the muscle.

    The definition isn't super obvious because I still have excess fat to burn. But I notice the definition when walking and when I wear tight workout pants and see my legs in the gym mirror when doing squats.

    Are my visible muscles attributed to strength training or eating at a deficit?
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    DopeItUp wrote: »
    If you're in a surplus, protein intake can be lower and you can probably build muscle with the amount you have listed.

    If you're in a deficit then you're probably just revealing the muscles by eliminating fat on top of them.

    co sign...
    JoRocka wrote: »
    yes- but odds are you are just losing body fat and revealing your muscle.

    Muscle building requires carbs- insulin spikes- and unless you're a new beginner (I don't think you are if memory serves me correctly) you're going to need to be in a calorie surplus to be actually gaining size

    Size =/= definition.

    cosigned again
  • Terpnista84
    Terpnista84 Posts: 517 Member
    DopeItUp wrote: »
    If you're in a surplus, protein intake can be lower and you can probably build muscle with the amount you have listed.

    If you're in a deficit then you're probably just revealing the muscles by eliminating fat on top of them.

    Got it! So the strength training is good for keeping those muscles in tact as opposed to them being eaten up by cardio and diet.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,428 MFP Moderator
    JoRocka wrote: »
    yes- but odds are you are just losing body fat and revealing your muscle.

    Muscle building requires carbs- insulin spikes- and unless you're a new beginner (I don't think you are if memory serves me correctly) you're going to need to be in a calorie surplus to be actually gaining size

    Size =/= definition.

    That's right! I forgot it's a calorie surplus not the protein to gain muscle.

    I knew I couldn't have been gaining muscle because I always eat at a deficit. But I feel like my legs are getting thicker due to the muscle.

    The definition isn't super obvious because I still have excess fat to burn. But I notice the definition when walking and when I wear tight workout pants and see my legs in the gym mirror when doing squats.

    Are my visible muscles attributed to strength training or eating at a deficit?

    Low body fat is required to have definition.


    one thing to keep in mind, protein while in a deficit helps maintain muscle mass. So low protein can increase the odds of losing muscle, even if you are weight training.

  • nicfitnesszone
    nicfitnesszone Posts: 115 Member
    Ahh thanks for this.. I wonder about protein intake to gain muscle mass .. I'm tiny. 5'0", 91 lbs 8% bf according to my scale (not sure about accuracy). I want to gain muscle mass and be at 99 lbs; struggling to get 90 g of protein daily. Went to couple of personal trainer appointments last week (currently looking for PT) both said I need to up my calories which I'm cautious to do having lost 12 lbs.. So much to much to learn... and do! Have a great week! :)
  • nicfitnesszone
    nicfitnesszone Posts: 115 Member
    **So much to learn and do..
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Ahh thanks for this.. I wonder about protein intake to gain muscle mass .. I'm tiny. 5'0", 91 lbs 8% bf according to my scale (not sure about accuracy). I want to gain muscle mass and be at 99 lbs; struggling to get 90 g of protein daily. Went to couple of personal trainer appointments last week (currently looking for PT) both said I need to up my calories which I'm cautious to do having lost 12 lbs.. So much to much to learn... and do! Have a great week! :)

    yes, you need to up your calories if you want to add muscle. Also, carbs are going to be more important when adding muscle.

    I would suggest checking out the sticky in the gaining weight forum, a lot of food info there.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,428 MFP Moderator
    Ahh thanks for this.. I wonder about protein intake to gain muscle mass .. I'm tiny. 5'0", 91 lbs 8% bf according to my scale (not sure about accuracy). I want to gain muscle mass and be at 99 lbs; struggling to get 90 g of protein daily. Went to couple of personal trainer appointments last week (currently looking for PT) both said I need to up my calories which I'm cautious to do having lost 12 lbs.. So much to much to learn... and do! Have a great week! :)

    Did you mean 18% body fat? Because 8% on women is virtually not possible.
  • nicfitnesszone
    nicfitnesszone Posts: 115 Member
    psulemon wrote: »
    Ahh thanks for this.. I wonder about protein intake to gain muscle mass .. I'm tiny. 5'0", 91 lbs 8% bf according to my scale (not sure about accuracy). I want to gain muscle mass and be at 99 lbs; struggling to get 90 g of protein daily. Went to couple of personal trainer appointments last week (currently looking for PT) both said I need to up my calories which I'm cautious to do having lost 12 lbs.. So much to much to learn... and do! Have a great week! :)

    Did you mean 18% body fat? Because 8% on women is virtually not possible.

    I don't trust my scale :-) One of those scales that claimed can measure BF by standing on it. I started at 103.5 17%-20% BF depending on time of day.. As I dropped lbs and weighed myself the BF% dropped to 8%-10%. Still don't trust it really. Once I decide on PT I will get the real/accurate body composition. I go by how my clothes fit :-)
  • DopeItUp
    DopeItUp Posts: 18,771 Member
    DopeItUp wrote: »
    If you're in a surplus, protein intake can be lower and you can probably build muscle with the amount you have listed.

    If you're in a deficit then you're probably just revealing the muscles by eliminating fat on top of them.

    Got it! So the strength training is good for keeping those muscles in tact as opposed to them being eaten up by cardio and diet.

    Precisely.
  • nicfitnesszone
    nicfitnesszone Posts: 115 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Ahh thanks for this.. I wonder about protein intake to gain muscle mass .. I'm tiny. 5'0", 91 lbs 8% bf according to my scale (not sure about accuracy). I want to gain muscle mass and be at 99 lbs; struggling to get 90 g of protein daily. Went to couple of personal trainer appointments last week (currently looking for PT) both said I need to up my calories which I'm cautious to do having lost 12 lbs.. So much to much to learn... and do! Have a great week! :)

    yes, you need to up your calories if you want to add muscle. Also, carbs are going to be more important when adding muscle.

    I would suggest checking out the sticky in the gaining weight forum, a lot of food info there.

    Will check it out. Thanks!! :-)
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    JoRocka wrote: »
    yes- but odds are you are just losing body fat and revealing your muscle.

    Muscle building requires carbs- insulin spikes- and unless you're a new beginner (I don't think you are if memory serves me correctly) you're going to need to be in a calorie surplus to be actually gaining size

    Size =/= definition.

    That's right! I forgot it's a calorie surplus not the protein to gain muscle.

    I knew I couldn't have been gaining muscle because I always eat at a deficit. But I feel like my legs are getting thicker due to the muscle.

    The definition isn't super obvious because I still have excess fat to burn. But I notice the definition when walking and when I wear tight workout pants and see my legs in the gym mirror when doing squats.

    Are my visible muscles attributed to strength training or eating at a deficit?

    To add to my original post and as others have stated, if you're not in an energy surplus you're not building any appreciable muscle...you are cutting fat and revealing what muscle there is underneath as well as observing "pump"....
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