Huh? Soy is bad for you?

tanyalevan

Okay just read some disturbing things on some site claiming soy is bad for you it can reduce pregnancy and also cause premature puberty?!?!


I have soy milk every day in my porridge?

I use to have milk but it made me feel sick i would get stomach pains in the morning since switching to soy milk that has stopped and I actually love the taste now!

suunflower

I think it's controversial -- as are most things..

herblackwings39

Drink your soy if you enjoy it. If it's not soy that's going to kill us it's dairy, fat, sugar, the sun, sweeteners, non-organic produce...etc.

armywf07

Maybe the non-gmo soy milk they are talking about

laele75

Soy is bad for you. It contains high levels of estrogen. Hence the premature puberty thing. Which considering the number of kids hitting puberty at nine these days (my son is one and yup, a year of soy formula), I believe. That cup of soymilk you're drinking has as much estrogen as three birth control pills. Hence why it messes up fertility.

Soybean is inedible unless it's highly processed. In fact, it's poisonous. Until 50 years ago, non-fermented soy wasn't used as a food product because of it. Only with the rise in vegan and vegetarian eating has soy taken off. There's absolutely NO PROOF its good for you at all and all the research I saw just adds to the list it's BAD.

Do the research for yourself, make an educated decision. That's what I did. As for cow's milk making you sick, there's always rice milk or almond milk.

sillyli234

When I took soy out of my diet, I started to get regular periods for the first time in my life. I currently drink rice, almond. and coconut milk instead. Soy truly does mess with your estrogen levels!

ndj1979

it leads to death too....

tanyalevan

Dang it I just bought 2 bottles! Well I guess I can give almond milk a try! Thanks for the tip

I will see how I feel switching it up a bit

tanyalevan

it leads to death too....

Everything does

cassylee

Yes, there are differing opinions out there. I have the same issues as you. By the sounds of it, you are only having a small amount so I would not worry. My nutritionist said that I should have either rice or almond milk over soy. Reason - soy causes similiar issues with me as normal milk but I would have to a lot more soy than milk for it to affect me. He did give me all kinds of reasons and facts but I really did not listen to much of it. I think I took from it that Rice and Almonds are easily more digestable than soy.

Personally, I like rice milk and I use it on cereal and with baking. I prefer the Genetically modified rice milk that I can get in Australia. It looks like milk and it tastes like milk with a strong sweet brown rice flavour. (I know it sounds strange but to me brown rice has always been sweeter that white. So that is why I said brown rice).

Anyway, we are going to die from something. You may as well die from something that you enjoy and does not cause too many issues. After all, life is meant to be enjoyed.

tanyalevan

Yes, there are differing opinions out there. I have the same issues as you. By the sounds of it, you are only having a small amount so I would not worry. My nutritionist said that I should have either rice or almond milk over soy. Reason - soy causes similiar issues with me as normal milk but I would have to a lot more soy than milk for it to affect me. He did give me all kinds of reasons and facts but I really did not listen to much of it. I think I took from it that Rice and Almonds are easily more digestable than soy.

Personally, I like rice milk and I use it on cereal and with baking. I prefer the Genetically modified rice milk that I can get in Australia. It looks like milk and it tastes like milk with a strong sweet brown rice flavour. (I know it sounds strange but to me brown rice has always been sweeter that white. So that is why I said brown rice).

Anyway, we are going to die from something. You may as well die from something that you enjoy and does not cause too many issues. After all, life is meant to be enjoyed.

I am in Australia! What brand rice milk do you get? I might check it out. I will get both rice and almond see what my taste buds prefer BUT I do like brown rice!

dbmata

Okay just read some disturbing things on some site claiming soy is bad for you it can reduce pregnancy and also cause premature puberty?!?!


I have soy milk every day in my porridge?

I use to have milk but it made me feel sick i would get stomach pains in the morning since switching to soy milk that has stopped and I actually love the taste now!

I get massive muscle cramps all over if I drink soy. Tofu is a different story, it's safe... but damn. Soy man, just wrecks the **** outta me. It's fierce.

PS- heyayayayaya!

tanyalevan

Hahahaha

*I was laughing at HEEEYEEAAAYEEEAAYE....Not your muscles cramping!!!

bevmcarthur

Yes do your research My Natural path SAYS stay away form processed Soya products if you have fermented soya all is ok and if you eat it in its raw form like the edamame beans.

grimendale

The results of the study are relatively marginal. Yes, soy can have an effect on estrogen levels, but it will not have any significant impact on most people. If you are already having fertility issues, then soy can exarcebate these issues, but it will not cause problems in a normal, healthy female. There has been no conclusive evidence that it causes early puberty (http://www.livestrong.com/article/457047-soy-milk-girls/) and has been shown to have benefits at preventing some types of cancer (although it can be a risk factor for other types of breast cancer if you already have a high risk). The argument that soy is inedible unless highly processed is completely untrue. I eat edamame all the time, which is steamed, unprocessed soy bean. I'm not dead, and neither are the large Asian populations for whom soy is a dietary staple (and has been for far longer than the 50 years claimed). If the cancer risk bothers you, switch to almond or rice milk, but otherwise, don't worry about it.

Long_Road

Google "health benefits of soy" and you get articles that support soy. There are 2 sides of the coin and somewhere in between you will find the truth.:flowerforyou:

SteelySunshine

Soy is bad for you. It contains high levels of estrogen. Hence the premature puberty thing. Which considering the number of kids hitting puberty at nine these days (my son is one and yup, a year of soy formula), I believe. That cup of soymilk you're drinking has as much estrogen as three birth control pills. Hence why it messes up fertility.

Soybean is inedible unless it's highly processed. In fact, it's poisonous. Until 50 years ago, non-fermented soy wasn't used as a food product because of it. Only with the rise in vegan and vegetarian eating has soy taken off. There's absolutely NO PROOF its good for you at all and all the research I saw just adds to the list it's BAD.

Do the research for yourself, make an educated decision. That's what I did. As for cow's milk making you sick, there's always rice milk or almond milk.

Show me all the Asian men with moobs who are not Sumu Wrestlers. I will wait. And prove that they got the moobs from soy and not over eating thanks bai.

PaleoPath4Lyfe

The results of the study are relatively marginal. Yes, soy can have an effect on estrogen levels, but it will not have any significant impact on most people. If you are already having fertility issues, then soy can exarcebate these issues, but it will not cause problems in a normal, healthy female. There has been no conclusive evidence that it causes early puberty (http://www.livestrong.com/article/457047-soy-milk-girls/) and has been shown to have benefits at preventing some types of cancer (although it can be a risk factor for other types of breast cancer if you already have a high risk). The argument that soy is inedible unless highly processed is completely untrue. I eat edamame all the time, which is steamed, unprocessed soy bean. I'm not dead, and neither are the large Asian populations for whom soy is a dietary staple (and has been for far longer than the 50 years claimed). If the cancer risk bothers you, switch to almond or rice milk, but otherwise, don't worry about it.

Asians do NOT prepare soy in the same manner that Westerners do..............fermented soy is completely different. Their tofu is also different than typical Westerners.

Soy is responsible for not only my fertility issues, but also my Thyroid issues as stated by the reproductive endocrinologist that did many, many tests on me.

tehboxingkitteh

it leads to death too....

So does breathing... but I'm not going to hold my breath :laugh:

I have a dairy free house. No problems here. I typically have almond milk and soy yogurt daily.

ninerbuff

Ain't giving up my Soy Sauce.

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formersec

If I listened to every pundit who claimed this or that is harmful, I wouldn't eat anything. Seems like every day some study comes out claiming a food is harmful. Look at coffee. Coffee has been studied to death. One day a study claims coffee is bad for you. The next day, another study claims coffee is good for you.

Be aware that not all studies are legitimate. Sometimes the test sample is too small or standard practices for conducting studies aren't followed. A number of studies are sponsored by companies or organizations which have vested interest in the outcome. A study commissioned by a soy producer will most likely say that soy is good for you. On the other hand, a study sponsored by the dairy industry might say soy is bad for you since the dairy industry wants you to buy dairy, not soy. Then there are studies where lab rats are fed 10 times the amount of whatever and became sick or died. Obviously, if you consumed anything in the amounts fed to lab animals, you would be dead too.

So I would be suspicious of what you see or hear regarding these studies. Most food is fine in moderation.

EDesq

You are late...been out for a while. Ya know, Western medicine and the food industry do not have mush to offer the Human Being, so why not just stick with the basics and let the fads pass by...kinda like always having a blue, grey and/or black traditional suit. And don't compare the way "we" use soy with the way Asians use soy...totally different, also the genetic factors.


ETA: And if you think some foods are fine in moderation...keep on eating soy and soy based products and 10-20 yrs let us know know where you are health-wise (males and females). If you are un-sure of a food or beverage simply check the pH scale of how it burns in the body. For a legume, soy has a very low pH, which tells Me it is UNNATURAL. BUT beyond that 95% of ALL soy in the USA is GMO (Monsantonized)!!!!!!!!!!

ldrosophila

Yeah most of the eastern world has been eating soy for only a few thousand years and we know what fertility problems the have. If you like soy enjoy it. Remember thousands of plants have estrogen like compounds including parley which was once used to induce midcarriage.

I've found in general that soy milk has a higher protein content than nut or rice milks. However it still needs calcium fortification

cassylee

Yes, there are differing opinions out there. I have the same issues as you. By the sounds of it, you are only having a small amount so I would not worry. My nutritionist said that I should have either rice or almond milk over soy. Reason - soy causes similiar issues with me as normal milk but I would have to a lot more soy than milk for it to affect me. He did give me all kinds of reasons and facts but I really did not listen to much of it. I think I took from it that Rice and Almonds are easily more digestable than soy.

Personally, I like rice milk and I use it on cereal and with baking. I prefer the Genetically modified rice milk that I can get in Australia. It looks like milk and it tastes like milk with a strong sweet brown rice flavour. (I know it sounds strange but to me brown rice has always been sweeter that white. So that is why I said brown rice).

Anyway, we are going to die from something. You may as well die from something that you enjoy and does not cause too many issues. After all, life is meant to be enjoyed.

I am in Australia! What brand rice milk do you get? I might check it out. I will get both rice and almond see what my taste buds prefer BUT I do like brown rice!

Vitasoy Rice Milk is the one I found that I like. The others tend to separate the milk from the water and does not tastes as good.

EngineerPrincess

Everything in moderation. Sadly things like soy and wheat are hard to get in moderation now days, what we think of in western societies as "balanced" usually isn't. Just don't have any food daily for 10 years, and try lots of things.

GiGiBeans

Soy is winding up in everything these days. If you live in the US even most of the canned tuna contains some! Crazy.

casy84

You can replace your soy milk with almond/hazelnut milk. Those sound healthier to me.

MJ_Watson

I'm no expert, so I can't say how it is for the average Joe, but I do know that people with thyroid disorders tend to be really sensitive to it. I have hypothyroid and I noticed a dramatic improvement to my health after I took it out of my diet (very hard to do since I live in Asia). As another poster said, my awful, weeks long, heavy periods regulated themselves as well, but that could be a result of increasing exercise and water intake too...

BTW, as someone who lives in Asia, I will say that the Western perception that everyone over here is thin and healthy is totally off, especially the second part. As for the "Asian men don't have moobs" comment... I'm not going to ask any ajushi to take off their shirts to find out, but I'm betting that's not the case.

grimendale

You are late...been out for a while. Ya know, Western medicine and the food industry do not have mush to offer the Human Being, so why not just stick with the basics and let the fads pass by...kinda like always having a blue, grey and/or black traditional suit. And don't compare the way "we" use soy with the way Asians use soy...totally different, also the genetic factors.


ETA: And if you think some foods are fine in moderation...keep on eating soy and soy based products and 10-20 yrs let us know know where you are health-wise (males and females). If you are un-sure of a food or beverage simply check the pH scale of how it burns in the body. For a legume, soy has a very low pH, which tells Me it is UNNATURAL. BUT beyond that 95% of ALL soy in the USA is GMO (Monsantonized)!!!!!!!!!!

I've been eating it consistenly for over seven years, and my health is better than it ever was when I ate meat according to my doctors. My cancer indicators are lower, my blood pressure is lower, my choleserol is down and I have had zero issues with my hormone levels. For people with sensitivity, such as thyroid issues, the estrogen-like element of soy will cause problems and is best avoided. I know a lot of women who have eaten soy consistently for 10-15 years and have had no issues with cycle regularity or severity, nor with fertility issues. It is hardly a panacea, and it is certainly possible to be fat while eating it (I was proof of that), it is not the demon some are making it out to be either. In reasonable amounts, it is a perfectly acceptable, healthy food for most people (again, not all). It is not unnatural, nor is all soy GMO (I buy plenty of products specifically labeled as non-GMO soy, including my soy milk). As for the question about the alkilinity of soy, it doesn't burn at any different pH than other foods. Your stomach acid is at a pH level of approximately 2 (very acidic), while your small intestine tends to be around 8 (slightly basic). Your stomach can handle a wide variety of alkalinities (lemons have a pH of about 2.2 to 2.4, are they "unnatural"?) and soy milk tends to have an alkinity of about 7 (neutral) while milk varies from about 6.7 to 7.1 depending on purity and freshness. They do not in fact have an extremely low pH or they would be acidic, like oranges, lemons and other citrus fruits.

NatureChik1985

I have to avoid soy because I have hormonal issues. For me soy products completely mess up my hormones. I stop ovulating and have horrible mood swings, severe water retention and breakouts, severe migraines and cramping. I think for some people soy causes problems, but I don't know that it translates to everyone should avoid soy. I sure do, but that is only because for me it causes health problems.

lsmsrbls

You're probably better off not eating more than 5 servings of soy a day, but unless you have an allergy, there is no reason to limit soy beyond that. The claims about the dangers of soy are not based on the scientific studies about soy, despite the fact that soy is very heavily researched.