It's never enough...

Sam_I_Am77

@cushman5279 : I would recommend finding a performance nutritionist or a dietitian in your area that has experience with athletes. You're not eating enough and I find it amazing that you're not feeling beat-up. The term overtraining does get tossed around a lot though. What is your main physical goal aside from body composition? What is something that you would like to strive for physically?

Christine_72

I'm so outta my league in this thread. But i had to add, that the only exercise i do is walking. Usually 15k (10m) 7 days a week, and i can't get by eating under 1800 calories, usually it's around 2000.
The other day i finished the day on 1400 calories, and my walking suffered that day. I didn't have the energy to take another step!

OP I admire your dedication, you're a little machine Just make sure and put your health first. We only get one body, treat it like gold xx

BoxerBrawler

SezxyStef wrote: »

SimoneBee12 wrote: »

cushman5279 wrote: »

SimoneBee12 wrote: »

cushman5279 wrote: »

Thanks. I am not anorexic nor do I exhibit any of the symptoms listed. But I appreciate the concern.

This is definitely true, and you know yourself better than anyone, but please keep in mind that this is only true if you find no problem in increasing your calories to help gain muscle. If you find that you just mentally can't do it, or you do increase your calories, but counter act it by exercising more, you should consider seeing someone. I'm only saying this as sometimes, disorders like this can go unnoticed for years because you are very fit, and an independent adult who doesn't have someone watching them like teenagers do.

That is just my professional opinion, you can tell me to go to hell if you want, but if you are concerned, feel free to message me privately.

Thanks Simone, this was a well thought out and polite opinion, I appreciate that I hear what you're saying. I have no problem what so ever increasing my calories. Believe me... my husband and I were in St. Lucia for a week at an all inclusive place, I pretty much ate and drank 24/7. I don't throw up, I don't feel food guilt, I don't try to out-exercise a bad diet or exercise food away. That's all silly. I do however, love how I feel when I am low/light on food, light on my feet, lean, almost slightly hungry. I feel as if my body functions the best in that state. I don't know why, I just go with it.

That's really good to hear, I worry that people think eating disorders only happen to young females, when in reality, they can happen to anyone without them even realising it, hence why a lot of EDs are undiagnosed. As long as you can increase your calories without trying to exercise them away, you're fine. If you find this to change though, that could be the beginning stages of bulimia, in which people can eat and eat, and then over exercise to make up for it, but think they're okay because they don't throw up.

Please just monitor yourself, none of us want you to get sick because you're under eating.

I agree..I watch a movie based on real life and a young man had anorexia and as a wrestler no one saw it...he died of a heart attack on the mat due to malnutrition...it was so sad..

I saw that movie too! It was a good movie, pretty sick how that young girl got sucked into that site and an ED!
I have gone through my share of ups and downs in terms of not eating enough, eating too much, throwing up, etc. Not for me! I work out to improve upon my fitness level and activities, I am concerned with pushing myself to increase my strength, endurance, technique, etc. Especially in boxing / MMA. If I don't have the protein and muscle, strength and focus then I can't fight. With that said.... you'll also see me taking 30 day challenges where I am eating extremely low calories with extremely high physical activity. I do this now and then to quickly lean out, then I go through a re-feed. This is just what works for my body and performance level. Look at my diary from yesterday. I got over 3,000 burn (from Fitbit) and a good amount from MFP after calculations. I bumped my calories up to a little over 1400 for the day still leaving myself with a good deficit. I nailed my macros, heavy on the protein which is my ultimate daily end goal. Today may be different, my burn rate will be lower with only one Friday class so I'll keep my calories low and light. I eat to perform and every day is a little different. If I have a heavy cardio day I bump up my carbs. On MMA, Krav and weights day I bump my protein. I always make sure to be consistent with healthy fats. Seriously, I've been at it for over two years, I'm happy where I am but never satisfied. There's always a challenge or a change for improvement that can be made.

So... with all of this out of the way, back to my original question... Do you ever feel like even though you have trained for hours and days you can just keep going and going...? In MMA last night we did abs for the first 20 minutes straight, a variety of exercises. In the end we ended up with over 1,000 varied reps. You would think my abs would be sore this morning, they are not. I always give 100% and more for a workout so... it's just strange to me and I'm wondering if anyone else experiences this and if so, what did you change or tweak in your routine?

Thanks

BoxerBrawler

SezxyStef wrote: »

SimoneBee12 wrote: »

cushman5279 wrote: »

SimoneBee12 wrote: »

cushman5279 wrote: »

Thanks. I am not anorexic nor do I exhibit any of the symptoms listed. But I appreciate the concern.

This is definitely true, and you know yourself better than anyone, but please keep in mind that this is only true if you find no problem in increasing your calories to help gain muscle. If you find that you just mentally can't do it, or you do increase your calories, but counter act it by exercising more, you should consider seeing someone. I'm only saying this as sometimes, disorders like this can go unnoticed for years because you are very fit, and an independent adult who doesn't have someone watching them like teenagers do.

That is just my professional opinion, you can tell me to go to hell if you want, but if you are concerned, feel free to message me privately.

Thanks Simone, this was a well thought out and polite opinion, I appreciate that I hear what you're saying. I have no problem what so ever increasing my calories. Believe me... my husband and I were in St. Lucia for a week at an all inclusive place, I pretty much ate and drank 24/7. I don't throw up, I don't feel food guilt, I don't try to out-exercise a bad diet or exercise food away. That's all silly. I do however, love how I feel when I am low/light on food, light on my feet, lean, almost slightly hungry. I feel as if my body functions the best in that state. I don't know why, I just go with it.

That's really good to hear, I worry that people think eating disorders only happen to young females, when in reality, they can happen to anyone without them even realising it, hence why a lot of EDs are undiagnosed. As long as you can increase your calories without trying to exercise them away, you're fine. If you find this to change though, that could be the beginning stages of bulimia, in which people can eat and eat, and then over exercise to make up for it, but think they're okay because they don't throw up.

Please just monitor yourself, none of us want you to get sick because you're under eating.

I agree..I watch a movie based on real life and a young man had anorexia and as a wrestler no one saw it...he died of a heart attack on the mat due to malnutrition...it was so sad..

Eating to exercise calories away... I tried this in the beginning of my journey and quickly found out that it just doesn't work. What's the point of fueling your body if you're going to immediately eliminate the fuel and not give your body a chance to process the nutrients... Just doesn't make sense. Exercise and eat clean to fuel performance and the weight loss comes naturally.

rileyes

Are you high? I mean, is it all the exercise that is giving you a high and making you want more? Does the calorie restriction have the same chemical effect on you? Maybe you want to "keep going and going" because of all the chemical reactions going on in your body.
It is my understanding that if you don't fuel your body with the required calories needed to live plus more calories to fuel workouts, you can go into starvation mode. Which may make you feel high too.

SezxyStef

cushman5279 wrote: »

SezxyStef wrote: »

SimoneBee12 wrote: »

cushman5279 wrote: »

SimoneBee12 wrote: »

cushman5279 wrote: »

Thanks. I am not anorexic nor do I exhibit any of the symptoms listed. But I appreciate the concern.

This is definitely true, and you know yourself better than anyone, but please keep in mind that this is only true if you find no problem in increasing your calories to help gain muscle. If you find that you just mentally can't do it, or you do increase your calories, but counter act it by exercising more, you should consider seeing someone. I'm only saying this as sometimes, disorders like this can go unnoticed for years because you are very fit, and an independent adult who doesn't have someone watching them like teenagers do.

That is just my professional opinion, you can tell me to go to hell if you want, but if you are concerned, feel free to message me privately.

Thanks Simone, this was a well thought out and polite opinion, I appreciate that I hear what you're saying. I have no problem what so ever increasing my calories. Believe me... my husband and I were in St. Lucia for a week at an all inclusive place, I pretty much ate and drank 24/7. I don't throw up, I don't feel food guilt, I don't try to out-exercise a bad diet or exercise food away. That's all silly. I do however, love how I feel when I am low/light on food, light on my feet, lean, almost slightly hungry. I feel as if my body functions the best in that state. I don't know why, I just go with it.

That's really good to hear, I worry that people think eating disorders only happen to young females, when in reality, they can happen to anyone without them even realising it, hence why a lot of EDs are undiagnosed. As long as you can increase your calories without trying to exercise them away, you're fine. If you find this to change though, that could be the beginning stages of bulimia, in which people can eat and eat, and then over exercise to make up for it, but think they're okay because they don't throw up.

Please just monitor yourself, none of us want you to get sick because you're under eating.

I agree..I watch a movie based on real life and a young man had anorexia and as a wrestler no one saw it...he died of a heart attack on the mat due to malnutrition...it was so sad..

I saw that movie too! It was a good movie, pretty sick how that young girl got sucked into that site and an ED!
I have gone through my share of ups and downs in terms of not eating enough, eating too much, throwing up, etc. Not for me! I work out to improve upon my fitness level and activities, I am concerned with pushing myself to increase my strength, endurance, technique, etc. Especially in boxing / MMA. If I don't have the protein and muscle, strength and focus then I can't fight. With that said.... you'll also see me taking 30 day challenges where I am eating extremely low calories with extremely high physical activity. I do this now and then to quickly lean out, then I go through a re-feed. This is just what works for my body and performance level. Look at my diary from yesterday. I got over 3,000 burn (from Fitbit) and a good amount from MFP after calculations. I bumped my calories up to a little over 1400 for the day still leaving myself with a good deficit. I nailed my macros, heavy on the protein which is my ultimate daily end goal. Today may be different, my burn rate will be lower with only one Friday class so I'll keep my calories low and light. I eat to perform and every day is a little different. If I have a heavy cardio day I bump up my carbs. On MMA, Krav and weights day I bump my protein. I always make sure to be consistent with healthy fats. Seriously, I've been at it for over two years, I'm happy where I am but never satisfied. There's always a challenge or a change for improvement that can be made.

So... with all of this out of the way, back to my original question... Do you ever feel like even though you have trained for hours and days you can just keep going and going...? In MMA last night we did abs for the first 20 minutes straight, a variety of exercises. In the end we ended up with over 1,000 varied reps. You would think my abs would be sore this morning, they are not. I always give 100% and more for a workout so... it's just strange to me and I'm wondering if anyone else experiences this and if so, what did you change or tweak in your routine?

Thanks

To answer that yes...I have a very hard time taking "rest days" usually...I am too restless and have to go do something and I could go for a long time but force myself to take "rest" days or my body makes me.

My actual rest day is Wednesdays...but I always go for a walk...this week it was 2miles...not long but it's because I was "tired" and "emotional" but needed the walk to sort myself out...

So I do hear you and I know that there are others too...we literally force "rest"...not always fun but required.

As for being sore...I don't get "sore" very often. I ran on Tuesday than did DL's...(hence being tired on Wed) but I wasn't sore at all...

After a while you just don't esp when you are used to the exercise...I don't think that indicates effort tho...my DL's were over 200lbs..trust me that took effort.

besee_2000

I'm not at all experienced in this, though in my fitness hobby I have come across some inspiring people that have been there. Look up Dr. Sarah Solomon (she's a dentist fyi). She is a fitness model that has dealt with the spinning wheels with no results. I would suggest watching some of the videos she has up for free. Yes, it is a program that if you join will take your money. I have no affiliation and have not put money into the program myself. I am far from those goals but maybe you would find her story more relate-able.

She style is more for appearance than body strengthen and endurance though, get more with less idea.

BoxerBrawler

SezxyStef wrote: »

cushman5279 wrote: »

SezxyStef wrote: »

SimoneBee12 wrote: »

cushman5279 wrote: »

SimoneBee12 wrote: »

cushman5279 wrote: »

Thanks. I am not anorexic nor do I exhibit any of the symptoms listed. But I appreciate the concern.

This is definitely true, and you know yourself better than anyone, but please keep in mind that this is only true if you find no problem in increasing your calories to help gain muscle. If you find that you just mentally can't do it, or you do increase your calories, but counter act it by exercising more, you should consider seeing someone. I'm only saying this as sometimes, disorders like this can go unnoticed for years because you are very fit, and an independent adult who doesn't have someone watching them like teenagers do.

That is just my professional opinion, you can tell me to go to hell if you want, but if you are concerned, feel free to message me privately.

Thanks Simone, this was a well thought out and polite opinion, I appreciate that I hear what you're saying. I have no problem what so ever increasing my calories. Believe me... my husband and I were in St. Lucia for a week at an all inclusive place, I pretty much ate and drank 24/7. I don't throw up, I don't feel food guilt, I don't try to out-exercise a bad diet or exercise food away. That's all silly. I do however, love how I feel when I am low/light on food, light on my feet, lean, almost slightly hungry. I feel as if my body functions the best in that state. I don't know why, I just go with it.

That's really good to hear, I worry that people think eating disorders only happen to young females, when in reality, they can happen to anyone without them even realising it, hence why a lot of EDs are undiagnosed. As long as you can increase your calories without trying to exercise them away, you're fine. If you find this to change though, that could be the beginning stages of bulimia, in which people can eat and eat, and then over exercise to make up for it, but think they're okay because they don't throw up.

Please just monitor yourself, none of us want you to get sick because you're under eating.

I agree..I watch a movie based on real life and a young man had anorexia and as a wrestler no one saw it...he died of a heart attack on the mat due to malnutrition...it was so sad..

I saw that movie too! It was a good movie, pretty sick how that young girl got sucked into that site and an ED!
I have gone through my share of ups and downs in terms of not eating enough, eating too much, throwing up, etc. Not for me! I work out to improve upon my fitness level and activities, I am concerned with pushing myself to increase my strength, endurance, technique, etc. Especially in boxing / MMA. If I don't have the protein and muscle, strength and focus then I can't fight. With that said.... you'll also see me taking 30 day challenges where I am eating extremely low calories with extremely high physical activity. I do this now and then to quickly lean out, then I go through a re-feed. This is just what works for my body and performance level. Look at my diary from yesterday. I got over 3,000 burn (from Fitbit) and a good amount from MFP after calculations. I bumped my calories up to a little over 1400 for the day still leaving myself with a good deficit. I nailed my macros, heavy on the protein which is my ultimate daily end goal. Today may be different, my burn rate will be lower with only one Friday class so I'll keep my calories low and light. I eat to perform and every day is a little different. If I have a heavy cardio day I bump up my carbs. On MMA, Krav and weights day I bump my protein. I always make sure to be consistent with healthy fats. Seriously, I've been at it for over two years, I'm happy where I am but never satisfied. There's always a challenge or a change for improvement that can be made.

So... with all of this out of the way, back to my original question... Do you ever feel like even though you have trained for hours and days you can just keep going and going...? In MMA last night we did abs for the first 20 minutes straight, a variety of exercises. In the end we ended up with over 1,000 varied reps. You would think my abs would be sore this morning, they are not. I always give 100% and more for a workout so... it's just strange to me and I'm wondering if anyone else experiences this and if so, what did you change or tweak in your routine?

Thanks

To answer that yes...I have a very hard time taking "rest days" usually...I am too restless and have to go do something and I could go for a long time but force myself to take "rest" days or my body makes me.

My actual rest day is Wednesdays...but I always go for a walk...this week it was 2miles...not long but it's because I was "tired" and "emotional" but needed the walk to sort myself out...

So I do hear you and I know that there are others too...we literally force "rest"...not always fun but required.

As for being sore...I don't get "sore" very often. I ran on Tuesday than did DL's...(hence being tired on Wed) but I wasn't sore at all...

After a while you just don't esp when you are used to the exercise...I don't think that indicates effort tho...my DL's were over 200lbs..trust me that took effort.

Well thanks for that, glad I am not the only one.
And speaking of an indication of hard work... I feel like just because I'm not drenched in sweat or gasping for air sometimes people assume that I'm not putting forth a lot of effort. That couldn't be further from the truth. But oh well, their monkeys their problem I forced myself to take a rest day one day last week, took my dog for a wicked long walk and then plopped on the couch with the intention of not moving. Low and behold I was up and down a million times doing stuff. I kept thinking maybe I should just go for a run and then had to remind myself I was supposed to be resting LOL! I don't want to fall into the trap of taking a rest day just because everyone says I should. The way I been doing it is I go and go and go and go until sure enough I have a day where I am literally feeling like my feet have cement blocks and my knees could buckle under my own body weight, and that becomes my rest day. Maybe I'm doing it wrong but it's worked for me so far. I do have the longing to get that muscle soreness the day after a work out again. Nothing like it!

SezxyStef

I like my "active" rest days...I don't push too hard but still get rid of my energy...seems to be working well...

Active rest days are 2-4 mile walks with my already busy day at work and at the house with cleaning etc...typically I get 15k+ steps daily (on average) with exercise...Wednesday are usually 10-12k....