Extreme Weight Loss and Gaining Muscle
TimothyFish
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On "Extreme Weight Loss" last night, one of the clients lost a tremendous amount of weight in six months, but when consulting with the doctor, it was discovered that she had also added seven pounds of muscle.
Thoughts?
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How heavy was the person and how many calories did they eat per day?
Sometimes I think these 'Weight loss shows' are completely stupid, they put people on stupidly high deficits and they end up skinny fat or in this case, losing large amounts of muscle.0 -
define "a tremendous amount of weight" and what other factors were there?
Exercise? starting weight? were they lifting? watching macros? How was this muscle gain measured?
It is known that if an obese person starts a progressive load lifting program that they can gain muscle...but 7lbs in 6 months for a woman??????? hmmm
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IsaackGMOON wrote: »How heavy was the person and how many calories did they eat per day?
Sometimes I think these 'Weight loss shows' are completely stupid, they put people on stupidly high deficits and they end up skinny fat or in this case, losing large amounts of muscle.
Didn't he say she'd gained seven pounds of muscle? Which usually is considered impossible if you're in a deficit.0 -
IsaackGMOON wrote: »How heavy was the person and how many calories did they eat per day?
Sometimes I think these 'Weight loss shows' are completely stupid, they put people on stupidly high deficits and they end up skinny fat or in this case, losing large amounts of muscle.
I don't recall the exact figures, but I think she started at over 300 lbs and ended up at 210. She was six feet tall.
But I think you misread my post. She didn't lose muscle, she gained seven pounds of muscle.0 -
I love this show and was shocked by that last night too! I am 6 ft tall like the girl was and started at 302lbs and I am down to 180 but I think she looked so much better than I do and she weighed more, and I know it's because of the muscle. I wish that show would give more details on what they are eating and what exercises are being done, I thinking that would help the general public more to know what to do in their lives.0
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DemoraFairy wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »How heavy was the person and how many calories did they eat per day?
Sometimes I think these 'Weight loss shows' are completely stupid, they put people on stupidly high deficits and they end up skinny fat or in this case, losing large amounts of muscle.
Didn't he say she'd gained seven pounds of muscle? Which usually is considered impossible if you're in a deficit.
not so much there are times when muscle gain can happen in a deficit.
Teen age boys, obese individuals and new lifters...
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DemoraFairy wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »How heavy was the person and how many calories did they eat per day?
Sometimes I think these 'Weight loss shows' are completely stupid, they put people on stupidly high deficits and they end up skinny fat or in this case, losing large amounts of muscle.
Didn't he say she'd gained seven pounds of muscle? Which usually is considered impossible if you're in a deficit.
not so much there are times when muscle gain can happen in a deficit.
Teen age boys, obese individuals and new lifters...
Yeah, which is why I said usually :P Just saying that it's often pointed out round here that most people can't gain muscle in a deficit, which is what (I assume) is the point of this post.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »On "Extreme Weight Loss" last night, one of the clients lost a tremendous amount of weight in six months, but when consulting with the doctor, it was discovered that she had also added seven pounds of muscle.
Thoughts?
Just because they said it doesn't mean it was true. Did the measure muscle mass before they lost weight and after? If they did How did they measure body composition?.0 -
DemoraFairy wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »How heavy was the person and how many calories did they eat per day?
Sometimes I think these 'Weight loss shows' are completely stupid, they put people on stupidly high deficits and they end up skinny fat or in this case, losing large amounts of muscle.
Didn't he say she'd gained seven pounds of muscle? Which usually is considered impossible if you're in a deficit.
Hahaha
Oh dear
I didn't read what he said properly. My bad.
I'm a bit confused on how they gained 7lb's of muscle whilst in a deficit though... unless its not as black and white as that?0 -
I'm a bit confused on the whole no muscle gain while in a deficit. If I take my own measurements for example, I've gained almost 7 pounds of LBM. Is all of that muscle? Of course not but how much of it is muscle? My current BF% was also confirmed via impedance measurements and was within 0.5% of calculated with cloth tape measurements. Any clues? Perhaps they used the same method and just assumed it was all muscle gained.
My stats:
SW: 207
CW: 179
Starting Waist (at navel): 40 inch
Current Waist (at navel): 35.5 inch
Starting BF: 30%
Current BF: 21%
Calculated LBM: 134.5 lbs
Current LBM: 141.2 lbs
Delta LBM: +6.7 lbs0 -
isulo_kura wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »On "Extreme Weight Loss" last night, one of the clients lost a tremendous amount of weight in six months, but when consulting with the doctor, it was discovered that she had also added seven pounds of muscle.
Thoughts?
Just because they said it doesn't mean it was true. Did the measure muscle mass before they lost weight and after? If they did How did they measure body composition?.
Yes, it is possible that a doctor who is working for the University of Colorado's Anschutz Health and Wellness Center would go on national television and lie about the results. But generally, I wouldn't expect that because universities tend to fire people for that kind of thing.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »isulo_kura wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »On "Extreme Weight Loss" last night, one of the clients lost a tremendous amount of weight in six months, but when consulting with the doctor, it was discovered that she had also added seven pounds of muscle.
Thoughts?
Just because they said it doesn't mean it was true. Did the measure muscle mass before they lost weight and after? If they did How did they measure body composition?.
Yes, it is possible that a doctor who is working for the University of Colorado's Anschutz Health and Wellness Center would go on national television and lie about the results. But generally, I wouldn't expect that because universities tend to fire people for that kind of thing.
My question is this...was it 7lbs of LBM (which is not all muscle) and how was the Body fat measured?
Without all the information this assertion is at best misleading and at worst a total fabrication using bad science to back it up.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »isulo_kura wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »On "Extreme Weight Loss" last night, one of the clients lost a tremendous amount of weight in six months, but when consulting with the doctor, it was discovered that she had also added seven pounds of muscle.
Thoughts?
Just because they said it doesn't mean it was true. Did the measure muscle mass before they lost weight and after? If they did How did they measure body composition?.
Yes, it is possible that a doctor who is working for the University of Colorado's Anschutz Health and Wellness Center would go on national television and lie about the results. But generally, I wouldn't expect that because universities tend to fire people for that kind of thing.
According to their web site the use the Bod Pod Test and the Dexa Scan for determining body composition.
http://www.anschutzwellness.com/wellness-services/body-composition
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I like the show as well but I wish they would show more of their eating plans AND how their skin removal surgery goes. They don't ever show the agony of recovering from a surgery like that.0
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TimothyFish wrote: »isulo_kura wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »On "Extreme Weight Loss" last night, one of the clients lost a tremendous amount of weight in six months, but when consulting with the doctor, it was discovered that she had also added seven pounds of muscle.
Thoughts?
Just because they said it doesn't mean it was true. Did the measure muscle mass before they lost weight and after? If they did How did they measure body composition?.
Yes, it is possible that a doctor who is working for the University of Colorado's Anschutz Health and Wellness Center would go on national television and lie about the results. But generally, I wouldn't expect that because universities tend to fire people for that kind of thing.
According to their web site the use the Bod Pod Test and the Dexa Scan for determining body composition.
http://www.anschutzwellness.com/wellness-services/body-composition
bod pod can be off by percentages..dexa okay but can be off a bit as well...nothing is perfect of course...
But again...the LBM gain...did they say Muscle or LBM...as LBM accounts for all in the body except fat...hydration, organ weight etc.0 -
DemoraFairy wrote: »DemoraFairy wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »How heavy was the person and how many calories did they eat per day?
Sometimes I think these 'Weight loss shows' are completely stupid, they put people on stupidly high deficits and they end up skinny fat or in this case, losing large amounts of muscle.
Didn't he say she'd gained seven pounds of muscle? Which usually is considered impossible if you're in a deficit.
not so much there are times when muscle gain can happen in a deficit.
Teen age boys, obese individuals and new lifters...
Yeah, which is why I said usually :P Just saying that it's often pointed out round here that most people can't gain muscle in a deficit, which is what (I assume) is the point of this post.
Tbf its often pointed out that newbie gains for obese people are possible, but they are finite.0 -
I guess I'm confused...I would imagine that if you go from a sedentary lifestyle to working out everyday that muscle gain would happen. I'm more surprised that it wasn't more than just seven pounds.0
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Let's see how she is in a year when she's gained everything she lost back and then some because this sort of dieting is unsustainable.0
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It was probably possible. IfTimothyFish wrote: »On "Extreme Weight Loss" last night, one of the clients lost a tremendous amount of weight in six months, but when consulting with the doctor, it was discovered that she had also added seven pounds of muscle.
Thoughts?
Which client was it? The male or the female. I only saw about 5-10 min last night and it was of the female, but she was extremely obese at the start (350lbs ?), and was a returning athlete (was a D1 basketball player). I could see that client like that put 7lbs of muscle on.
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I guess I'm confused...I would imagine that if you go from a sedentary lifestyle to working out everyday that muscle gain would happen. I'm more surprised that it wasn't more than just seven pounds.
muscle gain doesn't happen from "working out" it comes from building them...and like everything else you can't build something from nothing. You need to typically be eating a lot of food (over maintenance), with lots of protein and doing a progressive load lifting program...and have enough testosterone in your system to aid in that building. That is why it is easier for men to build muscles...as a woman to gain 7lbs of muscle in 6 months is really well...I've never heard of it to be frank...1lb a month is great and amazing for a woman doing everything almost perfectly.0 -
It was probably possible. IfTimothyFish wrote: »On "Extreme Weight Loss" last night, one of the clients lost a tremendous amount of weight in six months, but when consulting with the doctor, it was discovered that she had also added seven pounds of muscle.
Thoughts?
Which client was it? The male or the female. I only saw about 5-10 min last night and it was of the female, but she was extremely obese at the start (350lbs ?), and was a returning athlete (was a D1 basketball player). I could see that client like that put 7lbs of muscle on.
in 6 months?
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So she lost 90 pounds and gain 7 pounds of muscle in six months?0
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It was probably possible. IfTimothyFish wrote: »On "Extreme Weight Loss" last night, one of the clients lost a tremendous amount of weight in six months, but when consulting with the doctor, it was discovered that she had also added seven pounds of muscle.
Thoughts?
Which client was it? The male or the female. I only saw about 5-10 min last night and it was of the female, but she was extremely obese at the start (350lbs ?), and was a returning athlete (was a D1 basketball player). I could see that client like that put 7lbs of muscle on.
It was the female.I guess I'm confused...I would imagine that if you go from a sedentary lifestyle to working out everyday that muscle gain would happen. I'm more surprised that it wasn't more than just seven pounds.
muscle gain doesn't happen from "working out" it comes from building them...and like everything else you can't build something from nothing. You need to typically be eating a lot of food (over maintenance), with lots of protein and doing a progressive load lifting program...and have enough testosterone in your system to aid in that building. That is why it is easier for men to build muscles...as a woman to gain 7lbs of muscle in 6 months is really well...I've never heard of it to be frank...1lb a month is great and amazing for a woman doing everything almost perfectly.
On the show, they did mention that it was particularly unexpected for a woman.0 -
I have results posted and linked in my profile (and validated by measurements and calipers) - April 30th - ~19% BF - May 30th - 16.7% BF - gained muscle lost fat pounds. I believe without looking that I lost a total of 1 pound between months - but muscle was on the plus side, more fat lost to net the diff. I ate more - I wasn't eating enough in March/April to maintain my workout intensities (and actually gained body fat as a result, lost muscle) and so PT and I resolved by increasing calories/macros. Not only did I gain the muscle, I lost the fat. Long story short - yes that can happen - and possible the person wasn't truly in deficit or the metabolism somehow slowed to the point to where weight training and diet allowed for muscle development because the deficit was negated. Not sure if there's any other explanation - was that person truly eating at a deficit? I do know small deficits with weight training will allow for muscle development and fat loss but that kind of recomp is very hard to do.0
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But again...the LBM gain...did they say Muscle or LBM...as LBM accounts for all in the body except fat...hydration, organ weight etc.
I get that but when taken measurements over say 6 months and your LBM changes by 6-10 pounds, where does that gain come from? Surely you didn't add a bunch of skeletal mass, I can't see your organs changing size (with exception of your stomach). So that doesn't leave much else left to change except muscle and hydration0 -
what are they using to measure said muscle gain?
also, 7 pounds in six months is about a pound of muscle per month and that sounds too efficient to me to mark it up to newbie gains...0 -
ruggedshutter wrote: »I'm a bit confused on the whole no muscle gain while in a deficit. If I take my own measurements for example, I've gained almost 7 pounds of LBM. Is all of that muscle? Of course not but how much of it is muscle? My current BF% was also confirmed via impedance measurements and was within 0.5% of calculated with cloth tape measurements. Any clues? Perhaps they used the same method and just assumed it was all muscle gained.
My stats:
SW: 207
CW: 179
Starting Waist (at navel): 40 inch
Current Waist (at navel): 35.5 inch
Starting BF: 30%
Current BF: 21%
Calculated LBM: 134.5 lbs
Current LBM: 141.2 lbs
Delta LBM: +6.7 lbs
Those scale are inaccurate. Also I have gain muscle and lost fat during a duration of time in between bod pod tested. Now was I always in calorie deficit. No. I am not a newbie lifter. I have actually close to a decade of being under the barbell.
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they used a bod pod to measure. she is a former athlete. I found that 7 lb lean body mass questionable, however she is a former athlete off 8 years from any training. Muscle memory maybe, bod pod wrong maybe.
Regardless, I love this show.0 -
KombuchaCat wrote: »Let's see how she is in a year when she's gained everything she lost back and then some because this sort of dieting is unsustainable.
From what I have read...those that lose weight rapidly are at no more risk of regaining than those of us that lose slowly.
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And that sort of dieting doesn't have to be sustainable. She'd just need to eat at maintenance.KombuchaCat wrote: »Let's see how she is in a year when she's gained everything she lost back and then some because this sort of dieting is unsustainable.
From what I have read...those that lose weight rapidly are at no more risk of regaining than those of us that lose slowly.
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