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sheldonklein wrote: »Somewhat off point, but what is a fermented vegetable, other than sauerkraut and certain pickles?
I think they are referring to lacto-fermented veggies, where you basically let the veggies do their thing, ala sauerkraut or kimchee... basically, letting veggies sit in a salt brine until they ferment.
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Also raw yoghurt and kombucha ~~ according to Mercola they help with the detoxification. So this is totally hogwash.sheldonklein wrote: »Somewhat off point, but what is a fermented vegetable, other than sauerkraut and certain pickles?
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/03/18/mcbride-and-barringer-interview.aspx
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sheldonklein wrote: »Somewhat off point, but what is a fermented vegetable, other than sauerkraut and certain pickles?
That's not off point at all. And yeah, that's exactly what fermented veggies are: sauerkraut, kimchi, flavorful variations on that (salsa and things like that), pickles, pickled veggies (beets for example), olives.
People grossed out by it and saying they don't want to know probably already eat things like pickles and olives.
It's not for "detoxing". It's just good for your microbiome like yogurt. If you have ever taken antibiotics I am sure your doctor told you to eat cultured foods. It's not for detoxing or weight loss. It's just an aspect of intestinal health.
I understand the skepticism of it being presented for weight loss. But, we do have good bacteria and bad bacteria. It's essential. Any scientist knows that. And skepticism is best along with being properly educated as well. Not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
For the grossed out people there is another fermented drink you may consume: wine, beer, alcohol.
Kombucha is not a fermented veggie. It's some kind of cultured juice. I wouldn't drink that.0 -
Perhaps foolish Guinea Pig here (following diet carefully)- Also have reservations (as previous posters) about Gut Balance Revolution diet due to the kind of "snake oil" PR of the book, if it sounds too good...
Background: Am using the diet not to lose weight (although long term loss would be great) but because of GI issues since health issues (while long term use of a PPI) gave me continuous digestive issues. My gastroenterologist said these messed up my gut flora balance and gave me her favorite probiotics which significantly helped but decided to take a further step and get back to normal gut function and off of my PPI meds (antireflux) which my doctors said were aggravating my digestive issues.
Bottom line for me is that the diet is not easy to follow (first part is low FODMAP etc. for the first 30 days - the diet has three parts) but I am doing OK getting off of my PPI and have also lost 11 pounds in 11 days (which is faster than I would like, I question whether it will stay off). Mullin is a Gastroenterology professor at John Hopkins and has 35 pages of small font research footnotes at the end of his book.
There is some authentic and fascinating amazing research on gut bacteria (NPR earlier this week) but this could just be another diet fad.
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Yeah, I am actually not trying to lose weight at all. I don't want to lose weight. I am already very slim. I just work on fitness. I also am only interested in the rebuilding of a healthy microbiome because of serious antibiotic use recently that actually caused worse problems than were being treated. I didn't follow the first 30 days because I was already starting after a major wipe out from antibiotics. I am just integrating cultured foods and a probiotic supportive diet. My doctor has also referred me to a specialist.0
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for those of us with gut troubles, it would probably be helpful.
kombucha is fermented tea. it tastes like vinegar. i'm not a fan. i do like sauerkraut but everything available here is pasteurized, so not live. not sure if that helps at all, honestly.
for anyone who does not have gut problems it probably won't make a difference. there is evidence, however (i think it was on pubmed?) that a healthy gut microbiome is associated with lower body weight. i haven't heard whether science has discovered whether the right gut bugs CAUSE weight loss, or if they are a result of eating the right foods which also result in caloric restriction etc. this involves levels of Bacterioidetes (rises with weight loss) vs other bacteria such as Firmicutes, which is more prevalent in obese individuals.
there's mention of that on wikipedia as well.
so it's probably like a lot of other gimmick weight loss books. they take something that's true (healthy gut = healthy body) and upsell it as a "revolution" or "miracle". it would benefit me personally cause i have issues. it would probably not at all benefit my sister who has the most healthy gut imaginable.0 -
I am actually not having problems with my gut. But, my microbiome was disrupted actually in my nose. Yes, it's weird. I held up well taking all of those antibiotics because my gut is so healthy. But, I had the infection in the cartilage in my nose. I don't even know how to explain it. But, I did take all those antibiotics. My microbiome was altered. It can't hurt to add in cultured foods and eat vegetables. And I get flushing in my nose which is triggered by foods I eat and by heat. So, I am eating a diet to sort that out as well. My doctor said the flushing is from something internal. I also have elevated rheumatoid antibody factor, so I was referred to a rheumatologist.0
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I found out what my medical issue is. I am histamine intolerant from the antibiotics. It sucks! But, at least now I can try to get better the right way.0
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Oh technically for a very short time altering your eating pattern would alter how well your gut bacteria scavenge the left overs you didn't digest. Over time your gut biome will work out to be capable of picking up most of the left overs.I think it's a healthier eating plan. Boosts your metabolism. There is a book. I never heard of it before and was wonderind if I missed something or if anyone knows anything about it?
If you were truly looking to lose weight just by manipulating gut bacteria, you'd ideally want all of them dead so that more of your food goes undigested. Given the importance of all the things gut bacteria help do, I wouldn't recommend it.0 -
Hi I bought this overthe whole 30 bc I think it will help me to better identify my gut issues and my inflammation. For me not so much want to do it for weight loss but for health. I do carb cycle so I don't know how to do both possibly. But I need to focus on healing my gut I think for now. I have ibs c and pcos.0
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Mmmmmm.....fermented veggies goodddddd........0
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Sounds like a lot of books : sales pitch and a slither of truth. I mention Candida below as the book you are asking about recommends a diet that would make this situation worse, not better! It may be a gut revolution, but more like a coup for the bad guys to party even harder! Snake Oil. Handle with care!
The "bad" bacteria in our gut are called Candida. They can be too many of them relative to the "good" gut bacteria. Especially true if we consume antibiotics or have stomach illnesses. The candida sound like party animals-they love sugar and consume the energy before it has a chance to get to our blood (assuming too many). Thus fatigue. Probiotics are used to repopulate the gut and a very low sugar diet and low carbs (no fruit, no grains, no beans) but can eat lots of leafy greens and protein and fat to help restore the balance. Surprising the check list of symptoms that are associated with Candida.0 -
Hello, I am new at this and I would like to know that food is the most healthy and you can do exercises in the gym. thank you!!!0
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BinaryPulsar wrote: »sheldonklein wrote: »Somewhat off point, but what is a fermented vegetable, other than sauerkraut and certain pickles?
That's not off point at all. And yeah, that's exactly what fermented veggies are: sauerkraut, kimchi, flavorful variations on that (salsa and things like that), pickles, pickled veggies (beets for example), olives.
People grossed out by it and saying they don't want to know probably already eat things like pickles and olives.
It's not for "detoxing". It's just good for your microbiome like yogurt. If you have ever taken antibiotics I am sure your doctor told you to eat cultured foods. It's not for detoxing or weight loss. It's just an aspect of intestinal health.
I understand the skepticism of it being presented for weight loss. But, we do have good bacteria and bad bacteria. It's essential. Any scientist knows that. And skepticism is best along with being properly educated as well. Not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
For the grossed out people there is another fermented drink you may consume: wine, beer, alcohol.
Kombucha is not a fermented veggie. It's some kind of cultured juice. I wouldn't drink that.
Wait. Salsa is a fermented thingee? Ok! I will happily eat salsa, pickled eggs, pickled beets, and good old fashioned pickles. I will grudgingly eat sauerkraut on rare occasions. No olives. Or that kefir stuff. I can usually tell the next fad/trend as my friend is often on every band wagon out there. Not for weight loss, just general trying to eat more healthy because stuff in stores is poison ...lol0 -
BinaryPulsar wrote: »sheldonklein wrote: »Somewhat off point, but what is a fermented vegetable, other than sauerkraut and certain pickles?
That's not off point at all. And yeah, that's exactly what fermented veggies are: sauerkraut, kimchi, flavorful variations on that (salsa and things like that), pickles, pickled veggies (beets for example), olives.
People grossed out by it and saying they don't want to know probably already eat things like pickles and olives.
It's not for "detoxing". It's just good for your microbiome like yogurt. If you have ever taken antibiotics I am sure your doctor told you to eat cultured foods. It's not for detoxing or weight loss. It's just an aspect of intestinal health.
I understand the skepticism of it being presented for weight loss. But, we do have good bacteria and bad bacteria. It's essential. Any scientist knows that. And skepticism is best along with being properly educated as well. Not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
For the grossed out people there is another fermented drink you may consume: wine, beer, alcohol.
Kombucha is not a fermented veggie. It's some kind of cultured juice. I wouldn't drink that.
Wait. Salsa is a fermented thingee? Ok! I will happily eat salsa, pickled eggs, pickled beets, and good old fashioned pickles. I will grudgingly eat sauerkraut on rare occasions. No olives. Or that kefir stuff. I can usually tell the next fad/trend as my friend is often on every band wagon out there. Not for weight loss, just general trying to eat more healthy because stuff in stores is poison ...lol
I can't even eat any of those cultured (fermented foods) or yogurt, etc. It's a long story. I couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. But, a dermatologist prescribed a harmful topical med that injured the nerves in my face 3 months ago. It's neurogenic rosacea. And the pain increases from histamine in food. And I had been eating the cultured food because I was misdiagnosed and over treated with antibiotics. I was healthy and happy. Injured by doctors. Trying to recover.0 -
BinaryPulsar wrote: »sheldonklein wrote: »Somewhat off point, but what is a fermented vegetable, other than sauerkraut and certain pickles?
That's not off point at all. And yeah, that's exactly what fermented veggies are: sauerkraut, kimchi, flavorful variations on that (salsa and things like that), pickles, pickled veggies (beets for example), olives.
People grossed out by it and saying they don't want to know probably already eat things like pickles and olives.
It's not for "detoxing". It's just good for your microbiome like yogurt. If you have ever taken antibiotics I am sure your doctor told you to eat cultured foods. It's not for detoxing or weight loss. It's just an aspect of intestinal health.
I understand the skepticism of it being presented for weight loss. But, we do have good bacteria and bad bacteria. It's essential. Any scientist knows that. And skepticism is best along with being properly educated as well. Not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
For the grossed out people there is another fermented drink you may consume: wine, beer, alcohol.
Kombucha is not a fermented veggie. It's some kind of cultured juice. I wouldn't drink that.
Wait. Salsa is a fermented thingee? Ok! I will happily eat salsa, pickled eggs, pickled beets, and good old fashioned pickles. I will grudgingly eat sauerkraut on rare occasions. No olives. Or that kefir stuff. I can usually tell the next fad/trend as my friend is often on every band wagon out there. Not for weight loss, just general trying to eat more healthy because stuff in stores is poison ...lol
It depends on the kind of salsa. Lacto-fermented salsa has probiotics, but heat-canned salsa (the kind you buy off the shelf in the grocery store) had all the bacteria naturally present in it killed to preserve it. Same thing with saurkraut and pickled eggs -- if you bought it off the shelf, it probably doesn't have probiotic benefits.0 -
Strawblackcat wrote: »BinaryPulsar wrote: »sheldonklein wrote: »Somewhat off point, but what is a fermented vegetable, other than sauerkraut and certain pickles?
That's not off point at all. And yeah, that's exactly what fermented veggies are: sauerkraut, kimchi, flavorful variations on that (salsa and things like that), pickles, pickled veggies (beets for example), olives.
People grossed out by it and saying they don't want to know probably already eat things like pickles and olives.
It's not for "detoxing". It's just good for your microbiome like yogurt. If you have ever taken antibiotics I am sure your doctor told you to eat cultured foods. It's not for detoxing or weight loss. It's just an aspect of intestinal health.
I understand the skepticism of it being presented for weight loss. But, we do have good bacteria and bad bacteria. It's essential. Any scientist knows that. And skepticism is best along with being properly educated as well. Not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
For the grossed out people there is another fermented drink you may consume: wine, beer, alcohol.
Kombucha is not a fermented veggie. It's some kind of cultured juice. I wouldn't drink that.
Wait. Salsa is a fermented thingee? Ok! I will happily eat salsa, pickled eggs, pickled beets, and good old fashioned pickles. I will grudgingly eat sauerkraut on rare occasions. No olives. Or that kefir stuff. I can usually tell the next fad/trend as my friend is often on every band wagon out there. Not for weight loss, just general trying to eat more healthy because stuff in stores is poison ...lol
It depends on the kind of salsa. Lacto-fermented salsa has probiotics, but heat-canned salsa (the kind you buy off the shelf in the grocery store) had all the bacteria naturally present in it killed to preserve it. Same thing with saurkraut and pickled eggs -- if you bought it off the shelf, it probably doesn't have probiotic benefits.
That's true. The kind I used to eat was wildbrine.0 -
BinaryPulsar wrote: »BinaryPulsar wrote: »sheldonklein wrote: »Somewhat off point, but what is a fermented vegetable, other than sauerkraut and certain pickles?
That's not off point at all. And yeah, that's exactly what fermented veggies are: sauerkraut, kimchi, flavorful variations on that (salsa and things like that), pickles, pickled veggies (beets for example), olives.
People grossed out by it and saying they don't want to know probably already eat things like pickles and olives.
It's not for "detoxing". It's just good for your microbiome like yogurt. If you have ever taken antibiotics I am sure your doctor told you to eat cultured foods. It's not for detoxing or weight loss. It's just an aspect of intestinal health.
I understand the skepticism of it being presented for weight loss. But, we do have good bacteria and bad bacteria. It's essential. Any scientist knows that. And skepticism is best along with being properly educated as well. Not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
For the grossed out people there is another fermented drink you may consume: wine, beer, alcohol.
Kombucha is not a fermented veggie. It's some kind of cultured juice. I wouldn't drink that.
Wait. Salsa is a fermented thingee? Ok! I will happily eat salsa, pickled eggs, pickled beets, and good old fashioned pickles. I will grudgingly eat sauerkraut on rare occasions. No olives. Or that kefir stuff. I can usually tell the next fad/trend as my friend is often on every band wagon out there. Not for weight loss, just general trying to eat more healthy because stuff in stores is poison ...lol
I can't even eat any of those cultured (fermented foods) or yogurt, etc. It's a long story. I couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. But, a dermatologist prescribed a harmful topical med that injured the nerves in my face 3 months ago. It's neurogenic rosacea. And the pain increases from histamine in food. And I had been eating the cultured food because I was misdiagnosed and over treated with antibiotics. I was healthy and happy. Injured by doctors. Trying to recover.
I hope you find a full recovery from your over treatment with antibiotics. Some of the rest of us can relate to being injured by doctors treating a 'condition' vs treating the patient.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »BinaryPulsar wrote: »BinaryPulsar wrote: »sheldonklein wrote: »Somewhat off point, but what is a fermented vegetable, other than sauerkraut and certain pickles?
That's not off point at all. And yeah, that's exactly what fermented veggies are: sauerkraut, kimchi, flavorful variations on that (salsa and things like that), pickles, pickled veggies (beets for example), olives.
People grossed out by it and saying they don't want to know probably already eat things like pickles and olives.
It's not for "detoxing". It's just good for your microbiome like yogurt. If you have ever taken antibiotics I am sure your doctor told you to eat cultured foods. It's not for detoxing or weight loss. It's just an aspect of intestinal health.
I understand the skepticism of it being presented for weight loss. But, we do have good bacteria and bad bacteria. It's essential. Any scientist knows that. And skepticism is best along with being properly educated as well. Not throwing the baby out with the bath water.
For the grossed out people there is another fermented drink you may consume: wine, beer, alcohol.
Kombucha is not a fermented veggie. It's some kind of cultured juice. I wouldn't drink that.
Wait. Salsa is a fermented thingee? Ok! I will happily eat salsa, pickled eggs, pickled beets, and good old fashioned pickles. I will grudgingly eat sauerkraut on rare occasions. No olives. Or that kefir stuff. I can usually tell the next fad/trend as my friend is often on every band wagon out there. Not for weight loss, just general trying to eat more healthy because stuff in stores is poison ...lol
I can't even eat any of those cultured (fermented foods) or yogurt, etc. It's a long story. I couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. But, a dermatologist prescribed a harmful topical med that injured the nerves in my face 3 months ago. It's neurogenic rosacea. And the pain increases from histamine in food. And I had been eating the cultured food because I was misdiagnosed and over treated with antibiotics. I was healthy and happy. Injured by doctors. Trying to recover.
I hope you find a full recovery from your over treatment with antibiotics. Some of the rest of us can relate to being injured by doctors treating a 'condition' vs treating the patient.
Thank you so much!!! Sorry to hear that you relate!0
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