GI/GL - A Hopefully Constructive Discussion
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I found GI to be absolutely worthless for me. Steel-cut oatmeal is supposed to be low-GI (55), but it spikes my blood sugar much worse than higher-GI foods. I can't eat plain steel-cut oatmeal without experiencing BG excursions into the 250's, while most other foods only cause me to go up into the 160's.
This is what makes nutrition an art form almost!
I have a glucose tester from my old diabetic days. I still test once a week or after a new food just to see how it hits me.
I love steel cut oatmeal. It is very easy on my glucose level
Add Splenda and it goes up. I respond to that artificial sweetener and some don't.
Funny how some of this is very specific to the individual.
I completely relate to how different it can be from one person to the next.
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@lemurcat12 great points. Read the paper yarwell posted on satiety. There was some very interesting information about the expectation of response to food. While this was in regards to satiety, I do have to wonder if it applies to other types of responses as well. The expectation even affected physiological response.
In regards to some snacks not being satiating even if they're calorie dense, there were some points in the piece which might address that issue as well.0 -
I agree--great papers that yarwell linked.
I noticed that the first one referenced Brian Wansink's work, and I've found that interesting and to some degree true for me, even though it's the kind of thing that often gets poo-poo'd around here.0 -
I'll throw one of my prefered sources of nutrition information into the list, Alan Aragon's take on Glycemic Index:
alanaragon.com/glycemic-index0 -
I'll throw one of my prefered sources of nutrition information into the list, Alan Aragon's take on Glycemic Index:
alanaragon.com/glycemic-index
Beautiful. A lot of what people post to support their stance on the forums seems to come from Ludwig and his colleagues. It's good to see so much research from other sources on the subject. What do you call a scientist who designs experiments to get results that will confirm his own bias?
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mamapeach910 wrote: »I'll throw one of my prefered sources of nutrition information into the list, Alan Aragon's take on Glycemic Index:
alanaragon.com/glycemic-index
Beautiful. A lot of what people post to support their stance on the forums seems to come from Ludwig and his colleagues. It's good to see so much research from other sources on the subject. What do you call a scientist who designs experiments to get results that will confirm his own bias?
Apologies for not having anything other than a picture to contribute. I don't bother with GI/GL. I just eat what makes me not hungry and do my best to hit my protein goal.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »I'll throw one of my prefered sources of nutrition information into the list, Alan Aragon's take on Glycemic Index:
alanaragon.com/glycemic-index
Beautiful. A lot of what people post to support their stance on the forums seems to come from Ludwig and his colleagues. It's good to see so much research from other sources on the subject. What do you call a scientist who designs experiments to get results that will confirm his own bias?
Apologies for not having anything other than a picture to contribute. I don't bother with GI/GL. I just eat what makes me not hungry and do my best to hit my protein goal.
Isn't that Lustig? :::shudder::::
Ludwig is another dude. Here's his picture. For reasons. LOL.
Coincidentally, they are both pediatric endocrinologists.
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Protein increases glucose but to a much lesser extent than carbs. of course it also depends on the volume of the macro also. Anyone here a diabetic. If yes, you would see how your glucose is affected by the macro you eat. I mentioned this before, a great study was done on 15,000 people and it was found that hyperinsulinemia (insulin resistance) comes way before irregular glucose as seen by the fasting blood glucose test.0
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ihatetodietalways wrote: »Protein increases glucose but to a much lesser extent than carbs. of course it also depends on the volume of the macro also. Anyone here a diabetic. If yes, you would see how your glucose is affected by the macro you eat. I mentioned this before, a great study was done on 15,000 people and it was found that hyperinsulinemia (insulin resistance) comes way before irregular glucose as seen by the fasting blood glucose test.
How is that germane to the topic of this thread?
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A fundamentalist I suppose.mamapeach910 wrote: »I'll throw one of my prefered sources of nutrition information into the list, Alan Aragon's take on Glycemic Index:
alanaragon.com/glycemic-index
Beautiful. A lot of what people post to support their stance on the forums seems to come from Ludwig and his colleagues. It's good to see so much research from other sources on the subject. What do you call a scientist who designs experiments to get results that will confirm his own bias?
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mamapeach910 wrote: »ihatetodietalways wrote: »Protein increases glucose but to a much lesser extent than carbs. of course it also depends on the volume of the macro also. Anyone here a diabetic. If yes, you would see how your glucose is affected by the macro you eat. I mentioned this before, a great study was done on 15,000 people and it was found that hyperinsulinemia (insulin resistance) comes way before irregular glucose as seen by the fasting blood glucose test.
How is that germane to the topic of this thread?
I was answering a post above and neglected to put in the quote. Plus, the insulin response may be the key even though your glucose may not be affected. However, you guys, I guess don't have a glucose meter.0 -
Oops. Got my crazies mixed up. I guess it's still relevant though. Doesn't Lustig corner studies to fit his ideas, too?mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »I'll throw one of my prefered sources of nutrition information into the list, Alan Aragon's take on Glycemic Index:
alanaragon.com/glycemic-index
Beautiful. A lot of what people post to support their stance on the forums seems to come from Ludwig and his colleagues. It's good to see so much research from other sources on the subject. What do you call a scientist who designs experiments to get results that will confirm his own bias?
Apologies for not having anything other than a picture to contribute. I don't bother with GI/GL. I just eat what makes me not hungry and do my best to hit my protein goal.
Isn't that Lustig? :::shudder::::
Ludwig is another dude. Here's his picture. For reasons. LOL.
Coincidentally, they are both pediatric endocrinologists.
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Oops. Got my crazies mixed up. I guess it's still relevant though. Doesn't Lustig corner studies to fit his ideas, too?mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »I'll throw one of my prefered sources of nutrition information into the list, Alan Aragon's take on Glycemic Index:
alanaragon.com/glycemic-index
Beautiful. A lot of what people post to support their stance on the forums seems to come from Ludwig and his colleagues. It's good to see so much research from other sources on the subject. What do you call a scientist who designs experiments to get results that will confirm his own bias?
Apologies for not having anything other than a picture to contribute. I don't bother with GI/GL. I just eat what makes me not hungry and do my best to hit my protein goal.
Isn't that Lustig? :::shudder::::
Ludwig is another dude. Here's his picture. For reasons. LOL.
Coincidentally, they are both pediatric endocrinologists.
Yup.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »I'll throw one of my prefered sources of nutrition information into the list, Alan Aragon's take on Glycemic Index:
alanaragon.com/glycemic-index
Beautiful. A lot of what people post to support their stance on the forums seems to come from Ludwig and his colleagues. It's good to see so much research from other sources on the subject. What do you call a scientist who designs experiments to get results that will confirm his own bias?
Apologies for not having anything other than a picture to contribute. I don't bother with GI/GL. I just eat what makes me not hungry and do my best to hit my protein goal.
I eat what makes me not hungry as well. I'd imagine most successful folks do. Why fight your body/brain. :drinker: cheers.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »I'll throw one of my prefered sources of nutrition information into the list, Alan Aragon's take on Glycemic Index:
alanaragon.com/glycemic-index
Beautiful. A lot of what people post to support their stance on the forums seems to come from Ludwig and his colleagues. It's good to see so much research from other sources on the subject. What do you call a scientist who designs experiments to get results that will confirm his own bias?
Apologies for not having anything other than a picture to contribute. I don't bother with GI/GL. I just eat what makes me not hungry and do my best to hit my protein goal.
Isn't that Lustig? :::shudder::::
Ludwig is another dude. Here's his picture. For reasons. LOL.
Coincidentally, they are both pediatric endocrinologists.
What's evidence is there that Robert Lustig is not credible, out of interest? He treats one of my friends' children for a pituitary tumour and she can't praise him highly enough. He's one of the few endos in the world who is actively seeking an answer for hypothalamic obesity.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »I'll throw one of my prefered sources of nutrition information into the list, Alan Aragon's take on Glycemic Index:
alanaragon.com/glycemic-index
Beautiful. A lot of what people post to support their stance on the forums seems to come from Ludwig and his colleagues. It's good to see so much research from other sources on the subject. What do you call a scientist who designs experiments to get results that will confirm his own bias?
Apologies for not having anything other than a picture to contribute. I don't bother with GI/GL. I just eat what makes me not hungry and do my best to hit my protein goal.
Isn't that Lustig? :::shudder::::
Ludwig is another dude. Here's his picture. For reasons. LOL.
Coincidentally, they are both pediatric endocrinologists.
What's evidence is there that Robert Lustig is not credible, out of interest? He treats one of my friends' children for a pituitary tumour and she can't praise him highly enough. He's one of the few endos in the world who is actively seeking an answer for hypothalamic obesity.
He might be a fine endocrinologist in some respects, but other people have posted Alan Aragon's refutation of The Bitter Truth enough for you to know he's not sciencing properly.
And that will be the last word on that. This is not turning into a sugar debate.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »I'll throw one of my prefered sources of nutrition information into the list, Alan Aragon's take on Glycemic Index:
alanaragon.com/glycemic-index
Beautiful. A lot of what people post to support their stance on the forums seems to come from Ludwig and his colleagues. It's good to see so much research from other sources on the subject. What do you call a scientist who designs experiments to get results that will confirm his own bias?
Apologies for not having anything other than a picture to contribute. I don't bother with GI/GL. I just eat what makes me not hungry and do my best to hit my protein goal.
Isn't that Lustig? :::shudder::::
Ludwig is another dude. Here's his picture. For reasons. LOL.
Coincidentally, they are both pediatric endocrinologists.
What's evidence is there that Robert Lustig is not credible, out of interest? He treats one of my friends' children for a pituitary tumour and she can't praise him highly enough. He's one of the few endos in the world who is actively seeking an answer for hypothalamic obesity.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/988127/scientific-review-of-lolstigs-fat-chance/p1
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He might be an expert and knowledgeable in his treatment. Heck, Linus Pauling was one of history's greatest physicists, but he also advocated magic woo energy of vitamin C curing all the things.Chrysalid2014 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »I'll throw one of my prefered sources of nutrition information into the list, Alan Aragon's take on Glycemic Index:
alanaragon.com/glycemic-index
Beautiful. A lot of what people post to support their stance on the forums seems to come from Ludwig and his colleagues. It's good to see so much research from other sources on the subject. What do you call a scientist who designs experiments to get results that will confirm his own bias?
Apologies for not having anything other than a picture to contribute. I don't bother with GI/GL. I just eat what makes me not hungry and do my best to hit my protein goal.
Isn't that Lustig? :::shudder::::
Ludwig is another dude. Here's his picture. For reasons. LOL.
Coincidentally, they are both pediatric endocrinologists.
What's evidence is there that Robert Lustig is not credible, out of interest? He treats one of my friends' children for a pituitary tumour and she can't praise him highly enough. He's one of the few endos in the world who is actively seeking an answer for hypothalamic obesity.
I think Lustig has succumb to the golden hammer problem: when all you have is a hammer, a lot of problems look like nails.
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Also, at the risk of derailing my own thread, following on what senecarr said about the golden hammer problem, I could not find one other source which explains the cause of hypothalamic obesity in the way in which Lustig does. He almost seems to claim as if sufferers are storing fat in a calorie deficit, while all other sources seem to cite pituitary disregulation to the point of slowing down metabolism colliding with a large increase in appetite.0
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Also, at the risk of derailing my own thread, following on what senecarr said about the golden hammer problem, I could not find one other source which explains the cause of hypothalamic obesity in the way in which Lustig does. He almost seems to claim as if sufferers are storing fat in a calorie deficit, while all other sources seem to cite pituitary disregulation to the point of slowing down metabolism colliding with a large increase in appetite.
I think you're allowed to derail your own thread!
Thanks for starting this one - I have been trying to figure out exactly what the GI/GL meant (or if it meant anything) and this has been excellent information.0
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