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healthylifefit wrote: »What do you do when you feel tempted to hit up the local pizza or burger place? I have been doing well and have lost 17 lbs, but I am really craving something I know I shouldn't have. How do I resist the cravings?
I eat stuff like that once a week. I sometimes make it at home but I do still eat at restaurants.
I just look at the menu in advance and find what fits my calorie goal. A regular hamburger, side salad and unsweetened tea usually fits my goal. 1-2 slices of pizza and a salad fit my goal usually.
I'd advise you to stop thinking of food as bad, being overly restrictive and think more about what you can live with long term. If you can't give up pizza or hamburgers forever then don't. They are not unhealthy. Learn what portion size fits your calorie goal.0 -
juliebowman4 wrote: »I know folks around here aren't fans of the use of 'bad' foods.....but I assure you, there's not much 'good' in poutine. (A pile of deep fried French fries, smothered in gravy and topped with wads of cheese curds and bacon).
Wait....I'm wrong.....there is 'good'....it's the taste!
It's my weakness. It has WAY more calories than I could logically burn off in a day......so I just don't.
I tell myself "If I think it's such a good idea today, then it will be a good idea tomorrow"
By tomorrow, I usually have reevaluated and know it's just not worth it.
Disagree! What about mental health? Feeling deprived or demonizing food doesn't lead to a healthy relationship with food. While poutine is calorie dense, if you have the calories it could sure help you reach your fat macro (one I always have to go out of my way to reach) and could be a wonderful treat.
Knowing that if you fit it into a balanced diet (meeting your macronutrients and micronutrients and fiber) it's not magically unhealthy it has (protein fat and carbs, all things I need) or going to somehow make you fat (if you don't excede your calories). And knowing that means you can eat it without guilt (something I was riddled with if I ever lapsed while clean eating). It's about balance and sustainability and mental health! You really can have it all!
Depends. If you've got a high level of activity or just a high TDEE for whatever reason, sure it's fine, whatever whenever.
If you're stuck with 1300 or 1500 calories and blow 1000 on one meal, you're probably going to feel like crap with only 300-500 calories left for all your other meals and just fat and carbs a teensy bit of protein fuelling you. I do it now and then, to hit a craving, for sure. And I don't demonize any food. But it's just not a smart choice to make on a regular basis.
I also routinely pass on (but do not demonize) jerk chicken, chicken passanda with naan and rice, and thai green chicken curries because I know I would feel like crap if I actually hit my calorie target. And in fact I always choose to not feel like crap, so on the days I do have those things, I just go over (even with substitutions, sometimes) and start again the next day. And that's fine every now and then, but it's way too easy to make a habit of it.
So you missed the part where I said
"Knowing that if you fit it into a balanced diet (meeting your macronutrients and micronutrients and fiber)"
Fitting it in may require a half portion, or quarter portion. And "meeting your macronutrients and micronutrients and fiber", means adding whatever portion you choose would bring you to at least your daily minimums of protein etc.
Yeah but that statement is a little ridiculous when it comes to poutine, sorry. Most people (not all, I get it) would have a very hard time throwing out 3/4 of e.g. a 600 cal's worth box of it. That would leave you with like 2-3 bites, yeah. Have a search of the forums to see how people feel about this particular food.
Lol, really? My statement is rediculous?
You could always I don't know, put what's left in the fridge for another day or up your excersize to fit more in or save an extra 100 calories per day to fit in 700 cals at the end of the week. Just to remind you we're not just talking about poutine in the context of this thread. 300 calories of pizza or 350 of ice cream is pretty easy to fit in. And yes even poutine can fit. But I do agree that some things just aren't worth the calories for the payoff, but thinking you need to avoid foods you love and truly enjoy is just plain wrong.
My original response is about dietary context and mental health and how that contributes to a sustainable way of eating. Maybe re-read my first comment.
I didn't say, once, that you need to completely avoid high-calorie food you love. I said that people with low calorie budgets would do better to not make a habit of eating them. You are speaking as someone with, I presume by looking at your photo, a fair bit of calories to play with. Not everyone is in that situation.
Tone, my friend, watch it.
My tone is awesome thanks for noticing!
In my original comment I said if it fits! Habit or not, if it fits your macros/micros/calories it's not a problem. My calories are currently around 2000 while I'm cutting 2400 when I'm not. So not all that high for a guy.
I'd love to stick around and explain every aspect of my original comment, but there's other fun stuff that needs doin
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I go the pizza and burger place and eat said food, log it in, and then see if I am over, under, or even.
For the record there is no good food or bad food, there is just food that your body uses for energy and nutrients. What matters is that your overall diet is balanced between nutrient dense foods and treats like pizza and burgers, and that you are staying in your calorie/micro/macro targets.0 -
There's no poutine that I know of here, so I'm safe from that. But now that it's grilling season we're awash in stands selling brats and dogs and burgers made from unusual and tasty critters (elk, buffalo, boar, and other game). Tasty and often surprisingly cheap.
Back in the South, there was Krystal, often open late at night which was nice when you've been out. Miss those.0 -
There's no poutine that I know of here, so I'm safe from that. But now that it's grilling season we're awash in stands selling brats and dogs and burgers made from unusual and tasty critters (elk, buffalo, boar, and other game). Tasty and often surprisingly cheap.
Back in the South, there was Krystal, often open late at night which was nice when you've been out. Miss those.
I am more of a what a burger late night person myself….
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There's no poutine that I know of here, so I'm safe from that. But now that it's grilling season we're awash in stands selling brats and dogs and burgers made from unusual and tasty critters (elk, buffalo, boar, and other game). Tasty and often surprisingly cheap.
Back in the South, there was Krystal, often open late at night which was nice when you've been out. Miss those.
I am more of a what a burger late night person myself….
Yeah, they're good. The closest Whataburger was three hours away outside of Birmingham for me, and they're not here in Colorado either.
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There's no poutine that I know of here, so I'm safe from that. But now that it's grilling season we're awash in stands selling brats and dogs and burgers made from unusual and tasty critters (elk, buffalo, boar, and other game). Tasty and often surprisingly cheap.
Back in the South, there was Krystal, often open late at night which was nice when you've been out. Miss those.
I am more of a what a burger late night person myself….
Yeah, they're good. The closest Whataburger was three hours away outside of Birmingham for me, and they're not here in Colorado either.
the double with cheese is my late night bane….
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I'm having a Big Mac attack!0
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juliebowman4 wrote: »I know folks around here aren't fans of the use of 'bad' foods.....but I assure you, there's not much 'good' in poutine. (A pile of deep fried French fries, smothered in gravy and topped with wads of cheese curds and bacon).
Wait....I'm wrong.....there is 'good'....it's the taste!
It's my weakness. It has WAY more calories than I could logically burn off in a day......so I just don't.
I tell myself "If I think it's such a good idea today, then it will be a good idea tomorrow"
By tomorrow, I usually have reevaluated and know it's just not worth it.
OMG I LOVE poutine!!! I ate it by the pound when I was visiting Canada. Some restaurants serve their version here, but it's not the same
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I've never had poutine and it really isn't that photogenic, so so far I'm safe. ;-)
This-I'm looking at those pictures and they're making my stomach turn
I've never heard of this before, maybe it's a regional thing? 0 -
I wonder if Waffle House hash browns could be turned into something like poutine.... If I'm up at 3am sometime soon, I might find out.0
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Scattered, covered, smothered, and chunked (cheese, onions and diced ham).0 -
Scattered, covered, smothered, and chunked (cheese, onions and diced ham).
capped = chilli, right?0 -
Scattered, covered, smothered, and chunked (cheese, onions and diced ham).
capped = chilli, right?
Mushrooms, I think...0 -
Scattered, covered, smothered, and chunked (cheese, onions and diced ham).
capped = chilli, right?
Mushrooms, I think...
hmmm well it is something that will have you running for the bathroom in about ten minutes...0 -
juliebowman4 wrote: »I know folks around here aren't fans of the use of 'bad' foods.....but I assure you, there's not much 'good' in poutine. (A pile of deep fried French fries, smothered in gravy and topped with wads of cheese curds and bacon).
Wait....I'm wrong.....there is 'good'....it's the taste!
It's my weakness. It has WAY more calories than I could logically burn off in a day......so I just don't.
I tell myself "If I think it's such a good idea today, then it will be a good idea tomorrow"
By tomorrow, I usually have reevaluated and know it's just not worth it.
Disagree! What about mental health? Feeling deprived or demonizing food doesn't lead to a healthy relationship with food. While poutine is calorie dense, if you have the calories it could sure help you reach your fat macro (one I always have to go out of my way to reach) and could be a wonderful treat.
Knowing that if you fit it into a balanced diet (meeting your macronutrients and micronutrients and fiber) it's not magically unhealthy it has (protein fat and carbs, all things I need) or going to somehow make you fat (if you don't excede your calories). And knowing that means you can eat it without guilt (something I was riddled with if I ever lapsed while clean eating). It's about balance and sustainability and mental health! You really can have it all!
Depends. If you've got a high level of activity or just a high TDEE for whatever reason, sure it's fine, whatever whenever.
If you're stuck with 1300 or 1500 calories and blow 1000 on one meal, you're probably going to feel like crap with only 300-500 calories left for all your other meals and just fat and carbs a teensy bit of protein fuelling you. I do it now and then, to hit a craving, for sure. And I don't demonize any food. But it's just not a smart choice to make on a regular basis.
I also routinely pass on (but do not demonize) jerk chicken, chicken passanda with naan and rice, and thai green chicken curries because I know I would feel like crap if I actually hit my calorie target. And in fact I always choose to not feel like crap, so on the days I do have those things, I just go over (even with substitutions, sometimes) and start again the next day. And that's fine every now and then, but it's way too easy to make a habit of it.
So you missed the part where I said
"Knowing that if you fit it into a balanced diet (meeting your macronutrients and micronutrients and fiber)"
Fitting it in may require a half portion, or quarter portion. And "meeting your macronutrients and micronutrients and fiber", means adding whatever portion you choose would bring you to at least your daily minimums of protein etc.
Yeah but that statement is a little ridiculous when it comes to poutine, sorry. Most people (not all, I get it) would have a very hard time throwing out 3/4 of e.g. a 600 cal's worth box of it. That would leave you with like 2-3 bites, yeah. Have a search of the forums to see how people feel about this particular food.
Lol, really? My statement is rediculous?
You could always I don't know, put what's left in the fridge for another day or up your excersize to fit more in or save an extra 100 calories per day to fit in 700 cals at the end of the week. Just to remind you we're not just talking about poutine in the context of this thread. 300 calories of pizza or 350 of ice cream is pretty easy to fit in. And yes even poutine can fit. But I do agree that some things just aren't worth the calories for the payoff, but thinking you need to avoid foods you love and truly enjoy is just plain wrong.
My original response is about dietary context and mental health and how that contributes to a sustainable way of eating. Maybe re-read my first comment.
I didn't say, once, that you need to completely avoid high-calorie food you love. I said that people with low calorie budgets would do better to not make a habit of eating them. You are speaking as someone with, I presume by looking at your photo, a fair bit of calories to play with. Not everyone is in that situation.
Tone, my friend, watch it.
My tone is awesome thanks for noticing!
In my original comment I said if it fits! Habit or not, if it fits your macros/micros/calories it's not a problem. My calories are currently around 2000 while I'm cutting 2400 when I'm not. So not all that high for a guy.
I'd love to stick around and explain every aspect of my original comment, but there's other fun stuff that needs doin
What you missed is that for some people, with some foods, "making it fit" is either mathematically impossible or pointless from an experience perspective. (Or crappy-feeling. Or likely to get them over budget. Which is fine sometimes, better less often than more.)0 -
juliebowman4 wrote: »I know folks around here aren't fans of the use of 'bad' foods.....but I assure you, there's not much 'good' in poutine. (A pile of deep fried French fries, smothered in gravy and topped with wads of cheese curds and bacon).
Wait....I'm wrong.....there is 'good'....it's the taste!
It's my weakness. It has WAY more calories than I could logically burn off in a day......so I just don't.
I tell myself "If I think it's such a good idea today, then it will be a good idea tomorrow"
By tomorrow, I usually have reevaluated and know it's just not worth it.
Disagree! What about mental health? Feeling deprived or demonizing food doesn't lead to a healthy relationship with food. While poutine is calorie dense, if you have the calories it could sure help you reach your fat macro (one I always have to go out of my way to reach) and could be a wonderful treat.
Knowing that if you fit it into a balanced diet (meeting your macronutrients and micronutrients and fiber) it's not magically unhealthy it has (protein fat and carbs, all things I need) or going to somehow make you fat (if you don't excede your calories). And knowing that means you can eat it without guilt (something I was riddled with if I ever lapsed while clean eating). It's about balance and sustainability and mental health! You really can have it all!
Depends. If you've got a high level of activity or just a high TDEE for whatever reason, sure it's fine, whatever whenever.
If you're stuck with 1300 or 1500 calories and blow 1000 on one meal, you're probably going to feel like crap with only 300-500 calories left for all your other meals and just fat and carbs a teensy bit of protein fuelling you. I do it now and then, to hit a craving, for sure. And I don't demonize any food. But it's just not a smart choice to make on a regular basis.
I also routinely pass on (but do not demonize) jerk chicken, chicken passanda with naan and rice, and thai green chicken curries because I know I would feel like crap if I actually hit my calorie target. And in fact I always choose to not feel like crap, so on the days I do have those things, I just go over (even with substitutions, sometimes) and start again the next day. And that's fine every now and then, but it's way too easy to make a habit of it.
So you missed the part where I said
"Knowing that if you fit it into a balanced diet (meeting your macronutrients and micronutrients and fiber)"
Fitting it in may require a half portion, or quarter portion. And "meeting your macronutrients and micronutrients and fiber", means adding whatever portion you choose would bring you to at least your daily minimums of protein etc.
Yeah but that statement is a little ridiculous when it comes to poutine, sorry. Most people (not all, I get it) would have a very hard time throwing out 3/4 of e.g. a 600 cal's worth box of it. That would leave you with like 2-3 bites, yeah. Have a search of the forums to see how people feel about this particular food.
Lol, really? My statement is rediculous?
You could always I don't know, put what's left in the fridge for another day or up your excersize to fit more in or save an extra 100 calories per day to fit in 700 cals at the end of the week. Just to remind you we're not just talking about poutine in the context of this thread. 300 calories of pizza or 350 of ice cream is pretty easy to fit in. And yes even poutine can fit. But I do agree that some things just aren't worth the calories for the payoff, but thinking you need to avoid foods you love and truly enjoy is just plain wrong.
My original response is about dietary context and mental health and how that contributes to a sustainable way of eating. Maybe re-read my first comment.
I didn't say, once, that you need to completely avoid high-calorie food you love. I said that people with low calorie budgets would do better to not make a habit of eating them. You are speaking as someone with, I presume by looking at your photo, a fair bit of calories to play with. Not everyone is in that situation.
Tone, my friend, watch it.
My tone is awesome thanks for noticing!
In my original comment I said if it fits! Habit or not, if it fits your macros/micros/calories it's not a problem. My calories are currently around 2000 while I'm cutting 2400 when I'm not. So not all that high for a guy.
I'd love to stick around and explain every aspect of my original comment, but there's other fun stuff that needs doin
What you missed is that for some people, with some foods, "making it fit" is either mathematically impossible or pointless from an experience perspective. (Or crappy-feeling. Or likely to get them over budget. Which is fine sometimes, better less often than more.)
i was on 1200 calories a month for some time, and could fit in everything i wanted. Just pre-plan.
And yes sometimes i went over but that is not a big deal. Going over still means not eating surplus, only making your deficit smaller that day.
The point is you musnt do that every day! So moderation and portion control.
And you can eat everything you want....and that is something else as how "much you want"
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I don't just eat something that is a diet train wreck.
I will eat a smaller portion and do extra cardio if I need to in order to stay under my deficit.
For me if I am covered on my basic nutrients and want a piece of two of pizza, that is about 800-1000 calories . I love thick crust meat lovers pizza. So I know I have to bust hump to work it off if I plan to responsibly splurge in my plan.
I can work that in to a day with a little extra work.
I ground out about 750 extra calories yesterday to go to my fav BBQ place and stay on track. And the BBQ was awesome.
But the choice is yours. How you want to manage splurges. Mine are once ever two weeks or so. So far in a year and a half I have lost weight every week. It is math for me.
One day does not make or break you.
The worst thing you can do in my opinion is beat yourself up and then give up.
A day is a mini splurge, giving up and turning it into a week glut is a problem.
Peace
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MorganMoreaux wrote: »juliebowman4 wrote: »I know folks around here aren't fans of the use of 'bad' foods.....but I assure you, there's not much 'good' in poutine. (A pile of deep fried French fries, smothered in gravy and topped with wads of cheese curds and bacon).
Wait....I'm wrong.....there is 'good'....it's the taste!
It's my weakness. It has WAY more calories than I could logically burn off in a day......so I just don't.
I tell myself "If I think it's such a good idea today, then it will be a good idea tomorrow"
By tomorrow, I usually have reevaluated and know it's just not worth it.
OMG I LOVE poutine!!! I ate it by the pound when I was visiting Canada. Some restaurants serve their version here, but it's not the same
Well, there goes that new food idea:
Can't stand gravy, and I'm lactose intolerant. Could use lactose free cheese, but I still hate gravy so it won't do me any good.
Any variations?0 -
MorganMoreaux wrote: »juliebowman4 wrote: »I know folks around here aren't fans of the use of 'bad' foods.....but I assure you, there's not much 'good' in poutine. (A pile of deep fried French fries, smothered in gravy and topped with wads of cheese curds and bacon).
Wait....I'm wrong.....there is 'good'....it's the taste!
It's my weakness. It has WAY more calories than I could logically burn off in a day......so I just don't.
I tell myself "If I think it's such a good idea today, then it will be a good idea tomorrow"
By tomorrow, I usually have reevaluated and know it's just not worth it.
OMG I LOVE poutine!!! I ate it by the pound when I was visiting Canada. Some restaurants serve their version here, but it's not the same
Well, there goes that new food idea:
Can't stand gravy, and I'm lactose intolerant. Could use lactose free cheese, but I still hate gravy so it won't do me any good.
Any variations?
How about with bolognese sauce and italian sausage?0 -
One of my favorite burgers used to be the bacon guacamole burger at Red Robin. Clocks in around 900 calories I think (minus any mayo)... I've started making my own burgers at home and find they are just as satisfying, not as greasy (easier on the digestion for me) and I eat 2 of my homemade burgers for far less than 900 calories. Not to mention way cheaper!
I use 93% lean beef - 4oz per patty, spinach, thin sliced tomato, and lots of fresh jalapeno slices. I might get crazy and start adding slices of avacado 0 -
MorganMoreaux wrote: »juliebowman4 wrote: »I know folks around here aren't fans of the use of 'bad' foods.....but I assure you, there's not much 'good' in poutine. (A pile of deep fried French fries, smothered in gravy and topped with wads of cheese curds and bacon).
Wait....I'm wrong.....there is 'good'....it's the taste!
It's my weakness. It has WAY more calories than I could logically burn off in a day......so I just don't.
I tell myself "If I think it's such a good idea today, then it will be a good idea tomorrow"
By tomorrow, I usually have reevaluated and know it's just not worth it.
OMG I LOVE poutine!!! I ate it by the pound when I was visiting Canada. Some restaurants serve their version here, but it's not the same
Well, there goes that new food idea:
Can't stand gravy, and I'm lactose intolerant. Could use lactose free cheese, but I still hate gravy so it won't do me any good.
Any variations?
How about with bolognese sauce and italian sausage?
I'm not big on sauces either, but I do love Italian sausage.0 -
professionalHobbyist wrote: »I don't just eat something that is a diet train wreck.
I will eat a smaller portion and do extra cardio if I need to in order to stay under my deficit.
For me if I am covered on my basic nutrients and want a piece of two of pizza, that is about 800-1000 calories . I love thick crust meat lovers pizza. So I know I have to bust hump to work it off if I plan to responsibly splurge in my plan.
I can work that in to a day with a little extra work.
I ground out about 750 extra calories yesterday to go to my fav BBQ place and stay on track. And the BBQ was awesome.
But the choice is yours. How you want to manage splurges. Mine are once ever two weeks or so. So far in a year and a half I have lost weight every week. It is math for me.
One day does not make or break you.
The worst thing you can do in my opinion is beat yourself up and then give up.
A day is a mini splurge, giving up and turning it into a week glut is a problem.
Peace
I dont think anyone in this thread has advocated blowing it out on a daily basis.0 -
I'd go get a single slice of pizza, or a small child's burger, or else plan around a larger treat tomorrow. Deprivation isn't a good way to build a positive relationship with food.0
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It's totally fine to have things that you like! I know everyone has their preferences and ideas of what is worth calories to them. I definitely wouldn't eat something I didn't really want! I started out in March doing low carb, but then around May I decided, you know what? I can't see myself never eating spaghetti or pizza again. So I transitioned back to just eating what I like, but within my calories. When we make spaghetti there is enough for 4-5 meals usually, so I eat it for dinner, within my calories until it's gone. I just don't try to stuff down 2 bowls of the stuff like I would when I'm not watching my calories.. which always just made me sick anyway. lol I don't feel bad at all and I am still losing weight, just as quickly as when I was denying myself a lot of things I love!
As far as poutine goes... I've never had it. The closest thing I've had is fries with parmesan cheese melted on them. That is really good. But I don't like gravy.. except maybe sausage gravy very rarely. lol0 -
MorganMoreaux wrote: »juliebowman4 wrote: »I know folks around here aren't fans of the use of 'bad' foods.....but I assure you, there's not much 'good' in poutine. (A pile of deep fried French fries, smothered in gravy and topped with wads of cheese curds and bacon).
Wait....I'm wrong.....there is 'good'....it's the taste!
It's my weakness. It has WAY more calories than I could logically burn off in a day......so I just don't.
I tell myself "If I think it's such a good idea today, then it will be a good idea tomorrow"
By tomorrow, I usually have reevaluated and know it's just not worth it.
OMG I LOVE poutine!!! I ate it by the pound when I was visiting Canada. Some restaurants serve their version here, but it's not the same
Well, there goes that new food idea:
Can't stand gravy, and I'm lactose intolerant. Could use lactose free cheese, but I still hate gravy so it won't do me any good.
Any variations?
Yes. As much as I bash (and at the same time love) poutine, I have respect for its original formulation. These days you can get poutine with souvlaki on it, poutine with pulled pork, poutine with smoked meat, poutine with lasagna, vegan poutine, I'm sure I'm missing some. I'm not sure the curds or gravy are even essential at this point. Which to me really undermines the very notion of a poutine. Basically, you can put whatever the hell you want on some fries and call it a poutine.0
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