Revamped my idea of a good routine! Crique me please :)

Azexas

TR0berts wrote: »

NJDevilsFan7576 wrote: »

ndj1979 wrote: »

OP - I think a beginner lifting program + calorie deficit + some cardio is the way to go. If you start lifting now you can get some newbie gains, preserve the existing muscle you have, and also start to lose body fat, and get stronger.

so I would say pick from strong lifts, starting strength, or new rules of lifting and go with it...

I most definitely am over thinking all of this haha. You have some great words here as well as sijomial who sent me a great email after I apologized for insulting his help lol. Im gonna do some searching for programs tonight and tailor it to the recommendations you made. Thanks for all the help guys.

It was mentioned in the other thread that if you were to do SL on the same days as your GF, it might cause an issue with 4(I think?) people trying to rotate in/out of the squat rack. Any way you could do some light cardio on those days, and do your strength training on her "off" days?

Hopefully the rotating of 4 people won't be an issue for long. According to our gym their "working on getting a second rack".

68myra

i have to agree with all the muscle builders here. the more muscle you have, the higher your BMR, and the more calories you'll burn just being alive. and it really doesn't require weights, per se. there are "bodyweight" routines that will build muscle too! (perhaps not as quickly) Be thankful for that testosterone

kozykondition1

NJDevilsFan7576 wrote: »

Just to stem from this too, you seem to have no productive recommendation on what "to get excited about" or the best way to lose said weight. Everything is going to have different rates of weight lose, but slow lose is permanent lose.

You didn't ask for a recommendation, you asked for a "Crique" (sic).

NJDevilsFan7576 wrote: »

What do you guys think? Any ideas for what is moderate intensity to do while I am waiting? Is this a bad idea too? lol

I gave you a critique. I also gave you (productive) alternatives.

C25K gets you ready to run nonstop for 30 minutes. That is an excellent fitness goal.

NJDevilsFan7576 wrote: »

...I just want some advice at what challenges I might face. No one likes surprises

I mentioned how boring walking on a treadmill is, and how little it does to reduce your weight. Those will be your biggest challenges.

NJDevilsFan7576 wrote: »

Give me peer reviewed and credible resources to back your claim and Ill take you seriously @kozykondition1

Yeah, I did that too. But don't worry, I won't hold you on your word to take me seriously.

And in all seriousness, I wish you the best of luck in your journey.

Cheers!

MamaBirdBoss

millej49 wrote: »

I'd definitely say that losing weight before building muscle is a good idea, because to build you have to have a calorie surplus. And since you can't tell your body to ONLY make muscle with the surplus you'll end up having more fat to cut in the long run.

Completely untrue. You can convert fat to muscle and also lose weight while building muscle. I did it without even trying. I weighed 123lbs with a 27" waist and quite visible butt fat when I started lifting for fun the first time. I lifted to "bulk" or at least to increase weight. I went up to being able to squat 250lbs very comfortably and bench 90, among other things. And I weighed...123lbs at the end, but my butt had lost all visible fat, I had a sixpack that was slightly visible in daylight, I had a smaller waist, and I gained .5" on each of my arms, 1" on my calves, and lost 1" on my thighs. This was in 4 months.

I was on the whatever-the-heck-I-want-to-eat diet and wasn't particularly paying any attention to anything other than wanting to lift heavier stuff for fun.

For heaven's sake, do what's easier on your body. Lift + deficit will make you build muscle and lose weight.

MamaBirdBoss

You can do cardio for a faster loss at the same calorie intake. Don't want to? You can lose just as much. Just adjust your diet deficit for your activity level. It's not rocket science. In the study above, everyone was eating the same number of calories regardless of their activity level...which is a little silly. IRL, huge numbers of people just eat back all their cardio.

millej49

MamaBirdBoss wrote: »

millej49 wrote: »

I'd definitely say that losing weight before building muscle is a good idea, because to build you have to have a calorie surplus. And since you can't tell your body to ONLY make muscle with the surplus you'll end up having more fat to cut in the long run.

Completely untrue. You can convert fat to muscle and also lose weight while building muscle. I did it without even trying. I weighed 123lbs with a 27" waist and quite visible butt fat when I started lifting for fun the first time. I lifted to "bulk" or at least to increase weight. I went up to being able to squat 250lbs very comfortably and bench 90, among other things. And I weighed...123lbs at the end, but my butt had lost all visible fat, I had a sixpack that was slightly visible in daylight, I had a smaller waist, and I gained .5" on each of my arms, 1" on my calves, and lost 1" on my thighs. This was in 4 months.

I was on the whatever-the-heck-I-want-to-eat diet and wasn't particularly paying any attention to anything other than wanting to lift heavier stuff for fun.

For heaven's sake, do what's easier on your body. Lift + deficit will make you build muscle and lose weight.

First off you cannot "convert fat to muscle". I don't know if this was just hyperbole, or of you actually think that fat was turning into muscle. Second, while your personal experience is good for you, comparing a four pound loss while increasing muscle is vastly different than what the OP is talking about.

For instance, how much could you squat originally, what was your BF% to start, and at the end? And unless you naturally eat healthy, I doubt that you were on the "whatever-the-heck-I-want-to-eat diet". Also, if you had an iota of reading comprehension capability you'd notice I never told him to not lift while he was losing weight. In fact, I told him that lifting would be a good idea, but that low intensity ling duration cardio would be one of the best ways to cut fat.

Last, I don't know if it was your intent, but your comment came off as highly confrontational, and I'd like to note that there's a difference between debate, and confrontation. My previous paragraph was confrontational, if you'd like to talk rationally and civilly I would be glad to do so, because as I always say, I'm not an expert.