What's the ideal BF% for showing abs?

pumpkinpocalypse

So I've heard a lot that before you can dream of seeing some muscle definition on the stomach area, aka abs, baby abs or whatever, you need to have quite a low bodyfat percentage to start from...and then you add working out on top of that.
I'd like to put an end to my flat, soft and kinda floppy stomach and grow some more muscle in the area. My BF% is 18,7%, and i'm already at my goal weight...slowly transitioning to eating at my maintenance calories. I already do poledancing as a strength training workout, which has worked pretty well so far in building a bit of muscle, but I'll try working harder and finding new ways to lift weights and stuff eventually.
So my question is, should I aim for a lower BF% in order to have abs that can be seen, or get a special amount of protein, do a special program...? Or will they just appear slooowly with time as I continue with my routine?

ftumsh3

Lower bf. There is no special protein or routine for abs.

Holly_Roman_Empire

It really depends on how large your ab muscles are. Individuals with pronounced muscles won't need to have as low a body fat as someone that doesn't have much muscle to start.

TR0berts

Mostly what holly said. Also, it depends on how/where you store your fat. If you tend to store body fat in your abdomen, you'll probably have to have lower BF%. If you tend to store body fat in your booty and/or legs (or somewhere other than abdomen), you may get away with a higher BF% to show abs.

How, exactly, did you come to the conclusion that you have 18.7% BF? Because that's typically where women show abs. If it were from a bioelectric impedance BF analyzer, those aren't particularly accurate - so you probably aren't 18.7%.

pumpkinpocalypse

TR0berts wrote: »

How, exactly, did you come to the conclusion that you have 18.7% BF? Because that's typically where women show abs. If it were from a bioelectric impedance BF analyzer, those aren't particularly accurate - so you probably aren't 18.7%.

I actually used this tool https://www.healthstatus.com/calculate/body-fat-percentage-calculator
and took my measurements around mid-day so i wasn't thinner just because of dehydration (for more accuracy).
I mean, it's not because women can have showing abs at that BF% that ALL women who are at that percentage necessarily have abs, doesn't it? I'm pretty sure you have to work them quite a lot as well...i dunno, I've heard that 6-packs/abs are so hard to achieve (a mix of diet, BF%, and of course a ton of working out)...anyway, to me, that % seems still quite accurate, as i'm pretty thin and small framed. My belly just is too stubborn to be firm

TR0berts

That website gives me a BF% of 14.5 - not even close. I'm currently close to 20% - I should probably go on a "real" cut soon.

And, no - not every woman at 18.7% shows abs - it's just that, generally speaking, with less than 20% BF and some ab muscle to speak of, it shows up there. Again, that's just speaking in general terms.

My thought, in response to your OP, is to keep doing what you're doing. I'd think that pole dancing would work your core a good deal, so I'm not sure that you'd really have to change much there.

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senecarr

asflatasapancake wrote: »

This chart clearly shows, if you're an overweight guy, you're going to be taking your own picture.

berndanddana

So what is the most accurate way to find out what your BF% is?

Holly_Roman_Empire

berndanddana wrote: »

So what is the most accurate way to find out what your BF% is?

BodPod or Dexascan.

TR0berts

berndanddana wrote: »

So what is the most accurate way to find out what your BF% is?

Autopsy.

But, since that's not a road most want to take, I'd recommend either hydrostatic weighing or Dexa Scan - both are very accurate.

pmm3437

If you want "washboard"/"6 pack" abs, you definitely want to be well into the Athlete range, most likely the lower half. As said before, where you carry, as well as other factors, will determine how low in the range you need to go to get the results you want. Stay above the essential fat % except for extremely short periods ( competition, etc ), to forgo potential problems.

Poledancing is a good overall activity, as long as the duration and intensity is sufficient. Mix in other activities that change the way you are stressing your muscles, or cover areas that need more work.

LLduds

Bod Pod is only $50 where I live....huh. Maybe I'll get one done (when my body fat % is less embarrassingly high).

madhatter2013

senecarr wrote: »

asflatasapancake wrote: »

This chart clearly shows, if you're an overweight guy, you're going to be taking your own picture.

So glad I'm not the only one that noticed

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rosebette

I don't think it's all about bodyfat %, but also body type and genetics. I have always been about 25% bodyfat, but until menopause, I could still get pretty good abs just by doing a consistent ab routine. Even now, if I drop below 120 lbs., you can see my ribs. Most of my fat is in my hips and upper arms. I have a friend who is exactly my weight and height, and she can't seem to get abs no matter what she does, but she can tone her butt very easily and wears at least one size smaller bottom than I do.

DangerousDUCK

genetics and lower body fat that's about the extent of it. I know people with very low body fat and still don't show much abs.

sarabrunning

I got abs first showing at 16% from a combo of pole dancing, rock climbing and trail running, with a cutting diet to get from 19% to 16% over 4 weeks. Abs are really ALL about diet. I ate 11 calories per pound of my body weight, and kept my macros at 50% protein, 30% carbs, 20% fat, eating 250 calories every 2.5 hours, and that worked FAST. To cut, calculate your BMR, then choose 11, 12, or 13 calories per pound based on your goals and training intensity. Good luck!