milk vs soy???

B TOWN

This seams like an ongoing controversy?? I can't seam to get a straight answer from anywhere so I drink both... I drink organic skim milk and organic soy milk... I'm not a huge mil drinker... Mostly with my coffee... I'm too concerned with the calorie content of either since it is such a small part of my diet... I am more interested in overall health... I constantly hear rumors of cancer causing agents in soy however whenever I've done clenses they recommend no dairy... I have also heard that soy is worse for you because it is so processed??

Would love to hear what you have to say!

Thanks

B TOWN

This seams like an ongoing controversy?? I can't seam to get a straight answer from anywhere so I drink both... I drink organic skim milk and organic soy milk... I'm not a huge mil drinker... Mostly with my coffee... I'm too concerned with the calorie content of either since it is such a small part of my diet... I am more interested in overall health... I constantly hear rumors of cancer causing agents in soy however whenever I've done clenses they recommend no dairy... I have also heard that soy is worse for you because it is so processed??

Would love to hear what you have to say!

Thanks

AJCM

I feel the same way - can't seem to get a straight answer...

The natural health community, including my naturpath say soy is not good, for reasons which branch from hormones (which can encourage female reproductive cancers), to reducing testosterone in men, to containing enzymes that we cannot digest, to allergy, and so on...

The same natural health community says no to dairy - again for digestive reasons (milk is intended for baby calves, not humans), but mainly high hormone and antibiotic levels which are considered huge health problems.

We drink organic rice milk, and almond milk, however I do have goat and cow dairy every now and then as a treat (and I have a tablespoon of real cream in my coffee everyday). :blushing:

I look at it as the big picture - as long as the staples of my diet are healthy items, then I don't worry too much! :flowerforyou:

paperstar

I drink soy milk because, as mentioned before, all the hormones added to regular cow's milk (I already have hormone imbalances, don't need any help!) I actually hadn't heard anything negative about soy, so I will have to look into it. Otherwise, I've not had any problems!

jbuehrer

I drink soy milk because, as mentioned before, all the hormones added to regular cow's milk (I already have hormone imbalances, don't need any help!) I actually hadn't heard anything negative about soy, so I will have to look into it. Otherwise, I've not had any problems!

I'm the same. Homogenized Hormone treated milk isn't any better than soy... But Soy doesn't make me sick. I hear the best kind of milk is un-homogenized organic Cows milk from a farmer.

AJCM

Paper and jbue... have you tried almond milk? You might really like it, and in terms of health rating, it's pretty much at the top!

Most natural health magazine articles, and practioners will say no to both soy and dairy, but I personally use both in moderation.

abbychelle07

I drink almond milk and rice milk. Both are really great, especially the vanilla or chocolate varieties to start out with and get a taste for it!

I am wary of cows milk because of the hormones-both natural and artificial. I mean, drinking cow's natural hormones for a calf is kind of weird, right?

Also, I was a little wary of soy only because I occasionally read it might not be good in large quantities.

My daughter has just started switching from formula to rice milk.

FYI: Rice milk has the same amount of calcium and vitamin D as cow's milk.

jbuehrer

hmmm. i will look for some

jakspak

i drink soy as cows milk doesn't agree with me so have tried soy so far so good but with you guys going on about stuff mmm maybe i should rethink. i have it every morning only one glass might see if we have flavored rice milk could be worth a try otherwise ill stick to soy and risk it. its got to be better than having nothing.

Helawat

I'm in remission from a rare head/neck cancer. My dietitian and oncologist specifically told me to not eat soy because of soy's correlation with tumor regrowth.

Therefore, I drink cow's milk.

elliott062907

well for me, I have discovered that soy milk and organic milk agrees with me.
if I drink regulas milk, I get so sick.
all the crap in it now??? is it really milk?
I also like rice milk...

when I grew up, milk was the bomb. It was heavier, darker white and creamy.....

now that the government has decided to mess with that too?? well all I can say is, keep it away from me!!!

lizard9800

I drink soymilk because regular milk makes me sick. I am lactose intolerant, so dairy in large quantities is bad. I pretty much only add soymilk to my tea, or have a glass once a week to get calcium. I have to get the rest of my calcium from other food and supplements. I had no idea there was such a things as almond milk. I will have to look for that. Sounds delicious!

Nich0le

RBST free milk is hormone free and you can get organic versions of this.
Soy is not anymore processed than cows milk but they are not able to fully remove natural toxins in soy.

For this particular issue I think it is best to use either, it is a personal choice. Moderation is key with anything we consume. Soy is mostly a condiment in asian countries, westerners do take any bit of "good for you" advice to an extreme.

Soy is not recommended for children or teens. There are quite a few links between extreme emotional, irratic and frantic outbursts in teenagers that are fed a high soy diet (extreme emotions beyond typical teenage stuff). The myth that boys are getting breasts because of the estrogen in soy is still that, a myth, no one has proven one way or the other.

Personally, I prefer milk. My daughter was allergic to high protein items including milk as a baby and didn't consume milk until about the age of 4. I did find that regular milk made her cranky and irritable but the RBST free milk did not have those side effects. I prefer the taste of RBST free milk to regularly processed milk.

Anyway, there is a lot of information for and against both. Go online and read some of the information and make and INFORMED decision for yourself and solve the ongoing debate for yourself.

Phatmomma

This seams like an ongoing controversy?? I can't seam to get a straight answer from anywhere so I drink both... I drink organic skim milk and organic soy milk... I'm not a huge mil drinker... Mostly with my coffee... I'm too concerned with the calorie content of either since it is such a small part of my diet... I am more interested in overall health... I constantly hear rumors of cancer causing agents in soy however whenever I've done clenses they recommend no dairy... I have also heard that soy is worse for you because it is so processed??

Would love to hear what you have to say!

Thanks

Wow I have NEVER heard that before. If you wouldn't mind posting some links on the negatives of soy that would be awesome. I am a vegetarian and so are my children and we also only drink soy.My children rarely get sick, they have healthy skin and hair and oober high intelligence, and rarely have upset tummy's like many of the kids we know who drink milk, the intolerance that MOST humans have to a cow's milk really makes little one's ill. I also know the benefits of the natural estrogen in soy for women going through the change, how it works to naturally LOWER cholesterol and so on.

abbychelle07

http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/food/soy_story.html

here is one article. I typed "soy is bad" into google and tons came up. The problem is that there are 1000 articles for AND against soy. I don't know what to believe.

debuckl

I've heard that men should stay away from soy because it turns to estrogen after ingestion. Anyone else hear that?

alisonbu

No soy! Unless in VERY small doses. It can cause hormone problems (too much estrogen- careful giving it to boys) it has been linked to ashtma, and can prohibit the absorption of nutrients. Get milk that does not have any added hormones and still take it in small doses.

alisonbu

Sites about soy safety:

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/weeklyquestion/a/05_soy_formula.htm

http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm

http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/articles/soynorris

I swear my son's asthma was caused by him drinking soy. We were afraid that he would be allergic to milk and wanted to avoid that route. I deeply regret it now after spending thousands on medical bills due to congestion and malnutrition.

alisonbu

Sites about soy safety:

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/weeklyquestion/a/05_soy_formula.htm

http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm

http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/articles/soynorris

I swear my son's asthma was caused by him drinking soy. We were afraid that he would be allergic to milk and wanted to avoid that route. I deeply regret it now after spending thousands on medical bills due to congestion and malnutrition.

alisonbu

Sites about soy safety:

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/weeklyquestion/a/05_soy_formula.htm

http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm

http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/articles/soynorris

I swear my son's asthma was caused by him drinking soy. We were afraid that he would be allergic to milk and wanted to avoid that route. I deeply regret it now after spending thousands on medical bills due to congestion and malnutrition.

abbychelle07

I swear my son's asthma was caused by him drinking soy. We were afraid that he would be allergic to milk and wanted to avoid that route. I deeply regret it now after spending thousands on medical bills due to congestion and malnutrition.

My daughter and I drink rice milk and almond milk, since there seems to be no controversy with those.

Phatmomma

Wow soy causing asthma, breast in boys, violent outrages.... Hmmmm my children are on high soy diets and so are most of the children in our veggie kids group. None of the kids have behavior problems, they are all honor students, very well-mannered, and not one of the boys have breast. I don't have any friends who by culture are on high soy diets who have any of those problems either. Makes me wonder how much is propaganda because if more people drink soy less drink cows milk which means less beef, less animal abuse, less profit. I also have never seen a warning which the law would require, that says soy is not say for anyone but adults. Never seen anything or heard anything from our peditricians both of which are well know doctors who have written books on many illness related to children, that says it causes cancer. My eldest was once diagnosed with asthma (we opted out of accepting this as she had nothing but a seasonal cough/cold which we took her to 3 doctors in all and 2 out of 3 said not asthma) and in fact high mucus creating foods-i.e. DAIRY can aggrevate asthma.
Soy does have small amounts of estrogen-natural estrogen. If it did cause boobs, there would be a ton of men with boobs all over asia and india both of which countries consume lots of soy.
My brothers would both have breast as well, as we grew up eating tons of soy and none of us ever had behavior problems and were all gifted students. Hmmm still I'll be sure to ask the children's nutritionist and the peditrician if there is any medical merit to the notion children should not be given soy.
Heck my kids and their pals even eat soy ice cream and the love it.

Phatmomma

My daughter and I drink rice milk and almond milk, since there seems to be no controversy with those.

The kids love rice milk too. It doesn't cook as well but they like it. We'll have to try almond milk. They love coconut milk too.

AJCM

My naturopathic doctor says soy is not good, and is also a highly allergic food. The Canadian Pediatric Society also does not recommend soy as a subsitute for cow's dairy in the case of milk allergy, because the concurrence of milk allergy and soy allergy are extremely high. I think that data on the net praising soy might be out of date, for when I started my study of natural foods in the early 90's soy was, back then, considered a "super food".

This discussion prompted me to get rid of my cream in my coffee (I had slipped back into a bad habit after having company) - it was the nudge I needed - thanks! :flowerforyou:

I will still drink the occassional soy latte, and like to eat ice cream at least once in the summer, so I use moderation. Daily yogurts, glasses of milk, cheese in the fridge - those days are long gone...
:flowerforyou:

Phatmomma

I'll have to clarify that with the kid's pediatrician and nutrician. My children have substituted soy since they stopped breastmilk (well the baby still hasn't but she drinks soy) for school and daycare a note was needed from the MD and Nutritionist so that they would not be given the cow milk state requires. Soy enriched with vitamin D is a state approved substitute. Babies allergic to cow's milk formula get soy from the state wic program nationwide as well. So not to argue but I just don't think they state would give infants soy if it was proven dangerous. Nor would my kid's peditricians sign consents stating this was the best substitute nor would the school's nutritionist give the o.k. We are also vegetarian so my children have their own nutritionist to make sure their needs are met. We also belong to several groups and the children are all fed soy and rice milk. They are all fine, they are pretty much all above average academically and if I must say so myself my girls are gorgeous. We personally have NEVER had problems with soy and in fact soy is also one of the best things to happen to me. When I drank milk I was always barfing and bloated, I had migraines and let's not get into my bowels. I was always naseaus. Most people of color (no matter race) are lactose intolerant. Mostly because a cow's milk is not the closest match to the human race for milk from the mammal world lol. I never understood why people would even give their children a cow's milk. Who decided this was the best choice and that our bodies could digest it. Yet it seems crazy to say we would get milk from say a chimp or baboon although biologically they match humans closest and probably the milk would digest best. (just something I thought about lol ) If I had a choice other than my own milk, I'd rather have a chimp lol! There is a reason though, on a serious note, that humans have so much difficulty digesting dairy and I think in the media MILK from a cow as opposed from a soy bean has MORE negative-steroids, causes lactose intolerance, recalls for pesticides, recalls due to contamination, lame cows, mad cow disease, and the list goes on. All I have heard about soy is allergy, has natural estrogen and that is all the negative I have had or it wouldn't be on the shelfs in every major and minor grocery.

Phatmomma

I swear my son's asthma was caused by him drinking soy. We were afraid that he would be allergic to milk and wanted to avoid that route. I deeply regret it now after spending thousands on medical bills due to congestion and malnutrition.

If your child was malnutrioned I seriously doubt soy or cow's milk even was the problem. Cow milk can aggrevate congestion I do know that only because when my little one was sick once they put ice cream and cow milk as no-no's on her list of foods to avoid and listed this as the reason.
I have never heard or read or been told of ANY kind of milk causing asthma or malnutrition. If your hcild couldn't breathe and was starving(malnutrioned) I'd be looking into other things. No offense

Phatmomma

Lol soy won't cause your son to grow breast. The amount of soy which does have natural estrogen you would have to ingest to change a person's hormonal balance can't even possibly be consumed in a sitting.

abbychelle07

a note was needed from the MD and Nutritionist so that they would not be given the cow milk state requires. Soy enriched with vitamin D is a state approved substitute.

You needed a note so that your child wasn't given milk at school?? :noway: I would think a parent's request would be good enough! Did I read that right? I am just wondering, because my daughter drinks rice/almond milk. She's 1 yr old, so I haven't had to deal with schools yet.