Running on a treadmill 6 days a week...
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I always run fasted - no problem. I tend to run at dawn, and I'm not getting up any earlier just so I can have a snack and let it settle. And I don't take water with me unless it's unusually hot, in which case I won't run anyway because I live in Fresno, which is on the sun, and I hate running in the heat anyway.
Of course my average run is 3-5 miles, but I can go 6+ with no problems.
Fueling and hydration takes place the day before, and I've never had a problem heading out the door on an empty stomach. Guess I'm just one of those idiots.
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OK So I must not be a "real runner" either since I just went back and checked my notes. I apparently don't bother eating anything before my long runs unless they are longer than 16 miles, in which case I have a powerbar about an hour beforehand.
Or maybe I have been running half and full marathons, half and full ironman races for years at this point and probably know what to do and how to train. Oh wait, some guy from the internet comes in and says what I do is wrong, then asks stupid questions in other threads related to the subject. Great...0 -
OK So I must not be a "real runner" either since I just went back and checked my notes. I apparently don't bother eating anything before my long runs unless they are longer than 16 miles, in which case I have a powerbar about an hour beforehand.
Or maybe I have been running half and full marathons, half and full ironman races for years at this point and probably know what to do and how to train. Oh wait, some guy from the internet comes in and says what I do is wrong, then asks stupid questions in other threads related to the subject. Great...
Best just give up now since you'll never be a "real" runner.
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I personally need *something* in my body before tackling a long run, ride or workout. If I'm doing an early morning thing, that's generally something really light like a banana or piece of toast, eaten about 30 minutes before I start. I generally work out at lunch, so everything from breakfast has plenty of time to digest.
For hydration, I have had kidney stones in the past, they are extremely unpleasant. If your family has a history of them you should probably hydrate more -- the urologist told me that summer is "kidney stone season", and mine showed up when I'd upped the intensity of my workouts by doing a morning boot camp a few days a week ... for which I was probably not drinking enough water.
That said, I don't take water with me less than an hour, as I always make sure I'm fully hydrated before I start, and then drink something immediately after. If I'm going over an hour I'll bring something along.
So, OP -- if you are getting dizzy you might want to try experimenting with having a light snack and hydrating more before you do your run. Everyone is different (and there's no need to be rude about it), and you need to listen to what your body is telling you. Dizziness is not a great sign. As for the quantity of your running, what is your body telling you? Are you constantly sore? Do your knees and joints hurt? Are you in pain? If so, you should probably come up with rest days or cross-train with something else. It's great to be competitive with your friends, but you aren't going to be able to compete if you push yourself too far and get injured.0 -
I'm not a real runner either I guess since I do all my runs, including long runs, fasted. and all runs regardless of weather without water unless they are 90 minutes or longer. I have run an over 50 3:32 marathon and 1:35 half marathon and 20:06 5K and regularly am in at least the top 10% of every race I run. I suppose that means there are not very many real runners in my town.0
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Anyone who's a runner, don't tell me you have ever slept all night and got up in the morning to do a LONG run and felt good or had much energy to keep up with your run without dying.
21km long enough? Or 17km mountain trails?
Running fasted is my default for long training runs upwards of 90-120 minutes.
Please don't ever use the term "real runner" here ever again. It's condescending and insulting.
Every runner on MFP no matter what distance, speed, or weight is a real runner.
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Please don't ever use the term "real runner" here ever again. It's condescending and insulting.
Every runner on MFP no matter what distance, speed, or weight is a real runner.
Yes this. Although I might not consider you a "real runner" yet if you haven't either almost, or actually succeeded in crapping your shorts in the middle of a run
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And to bring everyone back to the topic at hand, here is the OP:I enjoy running and doing the Nike+ app and competing with friends. My goal is to stay at #1 lol so I typically run from 4 - 8 miles 6 days a week, sometimes throwing in a 10 mile run because I need to win the challenge. Now if you Google too much running, of course this bad stuff shows up but is it really a problem? If I run 5 miles a day, is that a big deal?
Also, ever since I started running I noticed my blood pressure gets low at times. Yesterday I was pretty dizzy later in the day, after running 8 miles. I realized I didn't drink much water and once I rested and drank a ton, I felt better. Is this normal with the blood pressure and do you think it was really the lack of water?
Appreciate any input.
If you'd like to start a new discussion regarding the merits of running fasted, please do. But this thread should be reserved for helping the OP.
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NEVER go for a run on an empty stomach or haven't had any water.
No need for the absolutes, lots of runners are fine fasted. Personally I'm comfortable to 10 miles fasted and no carrying water. It is important to adequeately fuel and it's been highlighted above that significant training in a deficit could easily lead to issues. I'd avoid suggesting what anyone MUST do.I'm training for a marathon right now and run 10 to 12k everyday until the marathon.
Never seen a training plan that doesn't include rest days, and most marathon plans I've seen have 10km as the short sessions.
That said, it does sound like the originator is aiming for an overuse injury. Not exxactly the perfomance objective I'd set for myself, but it might motivate others.
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I started running in April and ran 2 miles a day and increased from there. No cross training. I do want to do strength training.
That's a very rapid progression. You might find wrapping in some cycling helpful to get the aerobic training whilst easing the load on your system, as you're into the realms of overuse injury, as indicated upthread. As an alternative some form of resistance training, it needn't be weights, bodyweight work is perfectly reasonably; You Are Your Own Gym, Convict Conditioning etc are worth a look.
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MeanderingMammal wrote: »Never seen a training plan that doesn't include rest days, and most marathon plans I've seen have 10km as the short sessions.
Yea - I just noticed this over the past few weeks, but I actually CAN'T remember the last time I did a run that was less than 7 miles. 7 miles *is* a short run to me at this point.
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I've found that I get postural hypotension fairly intensely after longer runs (5+ miles). Quickly rehydrating seems to take care of the problem fairly quickly.0
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Wow, read just a few posts after learning that I am apparently not a real runner. I'm not fast, that is for sure. But since I don't hesitate to do a 2 hour run in a fasted state without taking in a gel during the run, I guess I am not a real runner. I'm not sure what my "running status" is on the days where I go for more than 2 hour long runs, like a recent 4 hour run last weekend where I started in a fasted state and took 2 gels every hour. Since I am taking in calories, I might be a real runner, but since I started out fasting...I'm not so sure any more.
The only reason I would feel I absolutely had to eat before hand was if I had a few hours between waking and starting to run. That's about it though.0 -
Oh, and I should add that that 4 hour run in a fasted state with gels every two hours was followed up the next day by a 2 hour fasted run with NO GELS. Felt it necessary to point out since apparently there is no way that this can be done without being completely wiped out. Yet there I was the next morning, running again. Didn't feel destroyed after that run either.WhatMeRunning wrote: »Wow, read just a few posts after learning that I am apparently not a real runner. I'm not fast, that is for sure. But since I don't hesitate to do a 2 hour run in a fasted state without taking in a gel during the run, I guess I am not a real runner. I'm not sure what my "running status" is on the days where I go for more than 2 hour long runs, like a recent 4 hour run last weekend where I started in a fasted state and took 2 gels every hour. Since I am taking in calories, I might be a real runner, but since I started out fasting...I'm not so sure any more.
The only reason I would feel I absolutely had to eat before hand was if I had a few hours between waking and starting to run. That's about it though.0 -
Damn. I'm still not a real runner.Please don't ever use the term "real runner" here ever again. It's condescending and insulting.
Every runner on MFP no matter what distance, speed, or weight is a real runner.
Yes this. Although I might not consider you a "real runner" yet if you haven't either almost, or actually succeeded in crapping your shorts in the middle of a run
Wait...unless peeing counts.
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Forget running on a treadmill. Ever since that guy died falling off a treadmill in Mexico, you are better off at the track, or doing yoga.0
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softblondechick wrote: »Forget running on a treadmill. Ever since that guy died falling off a treadmill in Mexico, you are better off at the track, or doing yoga.
What if the OP enjoys running a treadmill? Do you know how many people slip and fall & die in their own bathtubs each year? Would you suggest we stop bathing?
OP while I agree running outside is more enjoyable running on a treadmill > not running at all.
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Running on a treadmill is every bit as beneficial as running outside. One person trained for the Olympic marathon in Alaska using a treadmill almost exclusively.0
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I only run short distances but 2.5 - 5 km depending on time. But I go at 5:00 am and don't eat till 7am. I don't work out well with food and water gurgling around in my belly.0
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Before I knew I had it, my exercise-induced anaphylaxis made me vomit if I ran on much food. So back before that got bad and I could run, I ran fasted. 0
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