Milk for diet?
brendanathania
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Almost everyday i dedicated myself to drink a glass of milk (not always in the morning. Cause i have to eat rice in the morning). I think milk is good for my growing process and bones that's why i always drink it everyday. Kinda hard to lose weight and is drinking milk the reason?
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No its not milk. Maybe reduce the rice.0
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Why do you have to eat rice in the morning?
Open up your diary.
I like milk. You having full fat? Semi skimmed? Skimmed? 100ml or a pint? Or a gallon or a thimble?
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There were days when I'd drink 1200+ calories of milk a day. At 150 calories a cup, it depends strongly on how much you drink, but milk is only one part of your intake and it's not the reason, standing alone.0
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I heard recently that milk is bad for your teeth, which is surprising because it's full of calcium and vitamin D. I used to drink a pint of milk before bed and apparently this is the worst time (due to the sugar). Saying that, I love milk and have never had a problem with my Knashers.0
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Growing process? OP, do you mind me asking how old you are?0
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Laurend224 wrote: »Growing process? OP, do you mind me asking how old you are?
23 years old is what her profile says.0 -
Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.0 -
"Linked"? Really? We're going with "linked"? Linked how, in your view? Because of supposed affects of acidity or correlations with osteoporosis?Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.
Humans have no need for chocolate or beer, either. That's kind of a specious argument.
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Linked as in the evidence based kind...DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Linked"? Really? We're going with "linked"? Linked how, in your view? Because of supposed affects of acidity or correlations with osteoporosis?Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.
Humans have no need for chocolate or beer, either. That's kind of a specious argument.
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3983667/0 -
OP - if you are not losing you are eating too many calorie in general.0
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"Given the observational study designs with the inherent possibility of residual confounding and reverse causation phenomena, a cautious interpretation of the results is recommended."
Linked as in the evidence based kind...DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Linked"? Really? We're going with "linked"? Linked how, in your view? Because of supposed affects of acidity or correlations with osteoporosis?Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.
Humans have no need for chocolate or beer, either. That's kind of a specious argument.
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3983667/
"Greater milk consumption during teenage years was not associated with a lower risk of hip fracture in older adults."
Where's the "bad for your bones" part you mentioned?
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Linked as in the evidence based kind...DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Linked"? Really? We're going with "linked"? Linked how, in your view? Because of supposed affects of acidity or correlations with osteoporosis?Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.
Humans have no need for chocolate or beer, either. That's kind of a specious argument.
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3983667/
the first study is the one that followed woman from 34 to 79 - already read that one and fond it utterly ridiculous.
and from the second study that was on 50+ men and woman - here is the earth shattering conclusion -Over follow-up, 1226 hip fractures were identified in women and 490 in men < LOL hip fracture are pretty prevalent in old people as they tend to you know, fall down…
and I love how they say that dining milk rom ages 15-18 did not prevent said hip fractures. I don't recall any milk company ever saying that if you drank milk and fell down that it would prevent a fracture…
good lord….0 -
Linked as in the evidence based kind...DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Linked"? Really? We're going with "linked"? Linked how, in your view? Because of supposed affects of acidity or correlations with osteoporosis?Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.
Humans have no need for chocolate or beer, either. That's kind of a specious argument.
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3983667/
the first study is the one that followed woman from 34 to 79 - already read that one and fond it utterly ridiculous.
and from the second study that was on 50+ men and woman - here is the earth shattering conclusion -Over follow-up, 1226 hip fractures were identified in women and 490 in men < LOL hip fracture are pretty prevalent in old people as they tend to you know, fall down…
and I love how they say that dining milk rom ages 15-18 did not prevent said hip fractures. I don't recall any milk company ever saying that if you drank milk and fell down that it would prevent a fracture…
good lord….
I guess you missed the advertising campaign of the late 90s and early 2000s. I'm sorry you don't like science journals. The first study actually followed thousands of women not one woman from 34-79.0 -
Linked as in the evidence based kind...DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Linked"? Really? We're going with "linked"? Linked how, in your view? Because of supposed affects of acidity or correlations with osteoporosis?Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.
Humans have no need for chocolate or beer, either. That's kind of a specious argument.
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3983667/
the first study is the one that followed woman from 34 to 79 - already read that one and fond it utterly ridiculous.
and from the second study that was on 50+ men and woman - here is the earth shattering conclusion -Over follow-up, 1226 hip fractures were identified in women and 490 in men < LOL hip fracture are pretty prevalent in old people as they tend to you know, fall down…
and I love how they say that dining milk rom ages 15-18 did not prevent said hip fractures. I don't recall any milk company ever saying that if you drank milk and fell down that it would prevent a fracture…
good lord….
I guess you missed the advertising campaign of the late 90s and early 2000s. I'm sorry you don't like science journals. The first study actually followed thousands of women not one woman from 34-79.
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Given the observational study designs with the inherent possibility of residual confounding and reverse causation phenomena, a cautious interpretation of the results is recommended."
Linked as in the evidence based kind...DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Linked"? Really? We're going with "linked"? Linked how, in your view? Because of supposed affects of acidity or correlations with osteoporosis?Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.
Humans have no need for chocolate or beer, either. That's kind of a specious argument.
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3983667/
"Greater milk consumption during teenage years was not associated with a lower risk of hip fracture in older adults."
Where's the "bad for your bones" part you mentioned?
Cherry pick what you want. Milk=\= strong bones and could be linked to other issues too. It's not like I'm just making up stuff for fun that has no basis.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-full-story/#calcium-from-milk0 -
Linked as in the evidence based kind...DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Linked"? Really? We're going with "linked"? Linked how, in your view? Because of supposed affects of acidity or correlations with osteoporosis?Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.
Humans have no need for chocolate or beer, either. That's kind of a specious argument.
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3983667/
the first study is the one that followed woman from 34 to 79 - already read that one and fond it utterly ridiculous.
and from the second study that was on 50+ men and woman - here is the earth shattering conclusion -Over follow-up, 1226 hip fractures were identified in women and 490 in men < LOL hip fracture are pretty prevalent in old people as they tend to you know, fall down…
and I love how they say that dining milk rom ages 15-18 did not prevent said hip fractures. I don't recall any milk company ever saying that if you drank milk and fell down that it would prevent a fracture…
good lord….
I guess you missed the advertising campaign of the late 90s and early 2000s. I'm sorry you don't like science journals. The first study actually followed thousands of women not one woman from 34-79.
Please point out where in my sentence I said they followed ONE woman. Here let me re-type it for you "the first is the one that followed woman [plural] rom 34 to 79 < where in that sentence structure do you get one?
and I don't care about the campaign, I am pointing out that both studies you posted have serious flaws and, as such, should be disregarded.0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Given the observational study designs with the inherent possibility of residual confounding and reverse causation phenomena, a cautious interpretation of the results is recommended."
Linked as in the evidence based kind...DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Linked"? Really? We're going with "linked"? Linked how, in your view? Because of supposed affects of acidity or correlations with osteoporosis?Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.
Humans have no need for chocolate or beer, either. That's kind of a specious argument.
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3983667/
"Greater milk consumption during teenage years was not associated with a lower risk of hip fracture in older adults."
Where's the "bad for your bones" part you mentioned?
Cherry pick what you want. Milk=\= strong bones and could be linked to other issues too. It's not like I'm just making up stuff for fun that has no basis.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-full-story/#calcium-from-milk
you don't like milk we get it….it does not make it bad or good, it is just milk.
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Given the observational study designs with the inherent possibility of residual confounding and reverse causation phenomena, a cautious interpretation of the results is recommended."
Linked as in the evidence based kind...DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Linked"? Really? We're going with "linked"? Linked how, in your view? Because of supposed affects of acidity or correlations with osteoporosis?Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.
Humans have no need for chocolate or beer, either. That's kind of a specious argument.
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3983667/
"Greater milk consumption during teenage years was not associated with a lower risk of hip fracture in older adults."
Where's the "bad for your bones" part you mentioned?
Cherry pick what you want. Milk=\= strong bones and could be linked to other issues too. It's not like I'm just making up stuff for fun that has no basis.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-full-story/#calcium-from-milk
Calcium comes from a lot of other sources, not just milk. I would not advise relying on milk by itself to meet your calcium needs.
Did it ever occur to you that people may consume something because they just like it? I enjoy milk a lot - it's the perfect sidekick for cookies, it goes great in cereal, and drinking it plain for a hangover is the bee's knees. If it fits into someone's calories and it improves their mental health, what is wrong with consuming it?
Saying that it has been "linked to" other issues is completely silly, as correlation does not equal causation. You can find a positive correlation just about anywhere.
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Linked as in the evidence based kind...DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Linked"? Really? We're going with "linked"? Linked how, in your view? Because of supposed affects of acidity or correlations with osteoporosis?Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.
Humans have no need for chocolate or beer, either. That's kind of a specious argument.
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3983667/
the first study is the one that followed woman from 34 to 79 - already read that one and fond it utterly ridiculous.
good lord….
Am I the only one that laughed when I read 'utterly' in a milk thread?
Also, the plural for woman is "women"0 -
I'm not cherry picking anything; I'm quoting conclusions stated in your links.DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Given the observational study designs with the inherent possibility of residual confounding and reverse causation phenomena, a cautious interpretation of the results is recommended."
Linked as in the evidence based kind...DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Linked"? Really? We're going with "linked"? Linked how, in your view? Because of supposed affects of acidity or correlations with osteoporosis?Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.
Humans have no need for chocolate or beer, either. That's kind of a specious argument.
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3983667/
"Greater milk consumption during teenage years was not associated with a lower risk of hip fracture in older adults."
Where's the "bad for your bones" part you mentioned?
Cherry pick what you want. Milk=\= strong bones and could be linked to other issues too. It's not like I'm just making up stuff for fun that has no basis.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-full-story/#calcium-from-milk
So now you've gone from "linked" to "could be linked." That's progress, of a sort.
You certainly appear to be making up stuff for fun. Where's the evidence that milk is bad for you bones over the long term? You've yet to cite any. If you did a whole project on it, surely you must have some citations that support your statement.
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I hate milk except in cereals or protein shakes, both of which I rarely partake. My mother used to stretch milk by mixing it with the cheapest A&P powdered milk available and force us to drink it while still at room temperature.0
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Growing process? Are you 8 months old?
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Did it ever occur to you that people may consume something because they just like it? I enjoy milk a lot - it's the perfect sidekick for cookies, it goes great in cereal, and drinking it plain for a hangover is the bee's knees.
+1 for milk as a hangover remedy. And chocolate milk is basically the cure.
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kaylajane11 wrote: »Did it ever occur to you that people may consume something because they just like it? I enjoy milk a lot - it's the perfect sidekick for cookies, it goes great in cereal, and drinking it plain for a hangover is the bee's knees.
+1 for milk as a hangover remedy. And chocolate milk is basically the cure.
Oh God, yes. Chocolate milk + Waffle House = heaven after a night of drinking.0 -
If it fits into your calorie allotment for the day, then fine. 1 cup of 1% fat milk is 100 calories, and it does provide 8 grams protein and calcium, and if fortified, Vitamin D. 1 cup of rice is over 200 calories and has only 4 grams of protein and very little else nutritionally. My vote -- cut to 1/2 cup of rice and drink lowfat or skim milk if you like it.0
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_incogNEATo_ wrote: »
Linked as in the evidence based kind...DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Linked"? Really? We're going with "linked"? Linked how, in your view? Because of supposed affects of acidity or correlations with osteoporosis?Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.
Humans have no need for chocolate or beer, either. That's kind of a specious argument.
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3983667/
the first study is the one that followed woman from 34 to 79 - already read that one and fond it utterly ridiculous.
good lord….
Am I the only one that laughed when I read 'utterly' in a milk thread?
Also, the plural for woman is "women"
Yes and sentences generally end with periods.0 -
slideaway1 wrote: »I heard recently that milk is bad for your teeth, which is surprising because it's full of calcium and vitamin D. I used to drink a pint of milk before bed and apparently this is the worst time (due to the sugar). Saying that, I love milk and have never had a problem with my Knashers.
The only time I've heard of milk being bad at bedtime has been when it was combined with not brushing your teeth. With small kids, for example, parents are warned not to put them in bed with bottles. What are Knashers, btw? (I can't tell if it is slang for teeth or a brand name [tried to google but couldn't come up with it.])0 -
_incogNEATo_ wrote: »
Linked as in the evidence based kind...DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Linked"? Really? We're going with "linked"? Linked how, in your view? Because of supposed affects of acidity or correlations with osteoporosis?Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.
Humans have no need for chocolate or beer, either. That's kind of a specious argument.
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3983667/
the first study is the one that followed woman from 34 to 79 - already read that one and fond it utterly ridiculous.
good lord….
Am I the only one that laughed when I read 'utterly' in a milk thread?
Also, the plural for woman is "women"
Yes, and sentences generally end with periods.
FIFY
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Linked as in the evidence based kind...DeguelloTex wrote: »
"Linked"? Really? We're going with "linked"? Linked how, in your view? Because of supposed affects of acidity or correlations with osteoporosis?Actually milk has been linked to long term being bad for your bones. Milk lobbyists pushed the got milk campaign pretty hard and it's benefits are grossly overstated and understood. I did a whole project on it in nursing school.
Too much of anything can make you gain weight. Unless you are a breast feeding infant, humans have no need for milk. You can always try skim milk or plant milk if you want a lower calorie option or just drink it less often.
Humans have no need for chocolate or beer, either. That's kind of a specious argument.
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3983667/
the first study is the one that followed woman from 34 to 79 - already read that one and fond it utterly ridiculous.
and from the second study that was on 50+ men and woman - here is the earth shattering conclusion -Over follow-up, 1226 hip fractures were identified in women and 490 in men < LOL hip fracture are pretty prevalent in old people as they tend to you know, fall down…
and I love how they say that dining milk rom ages 15-18 did not prevent said hip fractures. I don't recall any milk company ever saying that if you drank milk and fell down that it would prevent a fracture…
good lord….
I guess you missed the advertising campaign of the late 90s and early 2000s. I'm sorry you don't like science journals. The first study actually followed thousands of women not one woman from 34-79.
Please point out where in my sentence I said they followed ONE woman. Here let me re-type it for you "the first is the one that followed woman [plural] rom 34 to 79 < where in that sentence structure do you get one?
and I don't care about the campaign, I am pointing out that both studies you posted have serious flaws and, as such, should be disregarded.
I read it that way too, because you used the singular 'woman' rather than the plural 'women'.
I'm not usually one to nitpick grammar on the internet, but you did ask!
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TimothyFish wrote: »Laurend224 wrote: »Growing process? OP, do you mind me asking how old you are?
23 years old is what her profile says.
Ah, pretty sure you are done growing, OP. I personally don't drink milk, but if you like it and it fits in your goals, go for it.
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