Wanted to do Stronglifts 5x5, but trainer won't let me deadlift!

ndj1979

yopeeps025 wrote: »

peachyfuzzle wrote: »

If a trainer suggest using a smith machine for anything other than a coat rack, get yourself a new trainer.

smith machine is good for calf raises.

Ok - I have used the smith for that..

and if I go on vacation and it is all they have I will squat on it, but I don't like it..

quiksylver296

FitnessTim wrote: »

ndj1979 wrote: »

FitnessTim wrote: »

Deadlifts are dangerous but done properly they are a valuable part of a strength training routine. If the trainer does not want to include them as part of his training routine he probably has an alternative approach that he believes achieves the same result. Depending on the situation and the particular client he may be right. If you don't agree with his approach or feel that you are ready for more than find another trainer.

I currently don't do deadlifts or squats either because I've been away from heavy lifting too long and my back is currently not ready for it.. My plan is to start with really light weight and work my way back up to heavy.

I've never hurt myself doing deadlifts or squats. I have hurt myself by NOT doing them regularly. My back pain is from sitting at a desk everyday, not from lifting. Every story that I have heard where someone got hurt involved lifting too heavy, using poor form or not being trained.

Whatever you decide to do, get the right guidance, take is slow and be careful.

technically any lift not done with proper form is "dangerous" so that is a little bit of a misnomer when you say deadlifts are dangerous when done without proper form….

It's relative. The risk factor from doing deadlifts without proper form is much higher than doing a bench press or curls. I can easily teach anyone to do curls or bench press. With deadlifts and squats it is much harder to do right so requires constant monitoring and correction. Bent-over rows is another tricky exercise to get right.

The best part of learning how to do the more complex exercises is that one develops a better sense of how the body should move.

I found her trainer.

yopeeps025

ndj1979 wrote: »

yopeeps025 wrote: »

peachyfuzzle wrote: »

If a trainer suggest using a smith machine for anything other than a coat rack, get yourself a new trainer.

smith machine is good for calf raises.

Ok - I have used the smith for that..

and if I go on vacation and it is all they have I will squat on it, but I don't like it..

I might start re doing that back I don't know some of my lifts feels so heavy for squat like just hold it on my back know that I should be able to get a few reps out.

jimmmer

msf74 wrote: »

SideSteel wrote: »

jimmmer wrote: »

The question is: do you like your routine/trainer and are you making progress with them?

It's perfectly fine to do a routine without deadlifts if you want. Just like it's perfectly fine to ditch the trainer and do Stronglifts.

At the end of the day you should do what you want to do, not what you heard you should do.

Can you get stronger using machines? Yes.

Is the deadlift a great full body strength and mass builder? Yes.

Is a routine you are happy to follow and get progressive benefits from better than the "best" routine that you hate and quit after two weeks? Yes. Yes it is.

Agreed, nice post.

Cosigned.

I have now, the warm and fuzzies....

Thanks!

Cherimoose

lynpcooper wrote: »

So I have lost about 80ish pounds and still have about 60 to go. I have been stalled for a year and have recently started lifting to change my body composition and kick start the weight loss again.

If you haven't lost weight in a year, you're not in a calorie deficit, simple as that. Strength training will have a minimal effect on your weight.. and it's not going to be quick. The weekly calorie burn from lifting is relatively low, especially the first month when you're starting light. Most of your fat loss will come from calorie reduction and cardio or other activities.

With that said, follow any strength program that uses mostly compound movements (= most programs). The differences between programs are negligible for someone with 60 lbs. to lose.

kindrabbit

yopeeps025 wrote: »

peachyfuzzle wrote: »

If a trainer suggest using a smith machine for anything other than a coat rack, get yourself a new trainer.

smith machine is good for calf raises.

Argh! Was just going to say that, you beat me to it. I use it for calf raises too.

lynpcooper

Cherimoose wrote: »

lynpcooper wrote: »

So I have lost about 80ish pounds and still have about 60 to go. I have been stalled for a year and have recently started lifting to change my body composition and kick start the weight loss again.

If you haven't lost weight in a year, you're not in a calorie deficit, simple as that. Strength training will have a minimal effect on your weight.. and it's not going to be quick. The weekly calorie burn from lifting is relatively low, especially the first month when you're starting light. Most of your fat loss will come from calorie reduction and cardio or other activities.

With that said, follow any strength program that uses mostly compound movements (= most programs). The differences between programs are negligible for someone with 60 lbs. to lose.

Just to be clear, I am not expecting a quick fix. I am doing some cardio and eating at a deficiit. I've struggled over the past year but I am really working at it now. When I'm not lifting, I do HIIT workouts. I don't expect to lose weight from lifting alone, but I know that more muscle burns more calories. Just wanting whatever I do to be as effective and as simple as possible.

yopeeps025

lynpcooper wrote: »

Cherimoose wrote: »

lynpcooper wrote: »

So I have lost about 80ish pounds and still have about 60 to go. I have been stalled for a year and have recently started lifting to change my body composition and kick start the weight loss again.

If you haven't lost weight in a year, you're not in a calorie deficit, simple as that. Strength training will have a minimal effect on your weight.. and it's not going to be quick. The weekly calorie burn from lifting is relatively low, especially the first month when you're starting light. Most of your fat loss will come from calorie reduction and cardio or other activities.

With that said, follow any strength program that uses mostly compound movements (= most programs). The differences between programs are negligible for someone with 60 lbs. to lose.

Just to be clear, I am not expecting a quick fix. I am doing some cardio and eating at a deficiit. I've struggled over the past year but I am really working at it now. When I'm not lifting, I do HIIT workouts. I don't expect to lose weight from lifting alone, but I know that more muscle burns more calories. Just wanting whatever I do to be as effective and as simple as possible.

Do you have a food scale? A stall for a full year. You got to get that diet under control OP. Once you got that diet down you will be set in reaching your goals.

jimmmer

yopeeps025 wrote: »

lynpcooper wrote: »

Cherimoose wrote: »

lynpcooper wrote: »

So I have lost about 80ish pounds and still have about 60 to go. I have been stalled for a year and have recently started lifting to change my body composition and kick start the weight loss again.

If you haven't lost weight in a year, you're not in a calorie deficit, simple as that. Strength training will have a minimal effect on your weight.. and it's not going to be quick. The weekly calorie burn from lifting is relatively low, especially the first month when you're starting light. Most of your fat loss will come from calorie reduction and cardio or other activities.

With that said, follow any strength program that uses mostly compound movements (= most programs). The differences between programs are negligible for someone with 60 lbs. to lose.

Just to be clear, I am not expecting a quick fix. I am doing some cardio and eating at a deficiit. I've struggled over the past year but I am really working at it now. When I'm not lifting, I do HIIT workouts. I don't expect to lose weight from lifting alone, but I know that more muscle burns more calories. Just wanting whatever I do to be as effective and as simple as possible.

Do you have a food scale? A stall for a full year. You got to get that diet under control OP. Once you got that diet down you will be set in reaching your goals.

This.

The main issue is controlling the flow of calories.

No lifting routine in the world can outchase a calorie surplus if you're trying to lose weight.

I suggest weighing everything you eat accurately for a whole month and see how you go from there. Just to be clear: nothing eyeballed or measured by volume. In conjunction with the lifting (and using the mirror/tape measure/clothes fit) see how you feel in 3-4 weeks. Think you'll be surprised.

starseedxo

Crossing the street is dangerous too. So is driving. Ditch the trainer, and quite possibly the gym. UI'm guessing the only reason that he doesn't want you to do Stronglifts is that you won't need him for long after, and therefore he's out a client, and paycheck. Find someone to teach you the correct form, and have fun with Stronglifts. I love it!