Which Plan to Follow
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »
It is indeed very subjective. Some people do better cutting certain things out completely, others don't. There is no blanket rule.
Contrary to what many people on MFP think, there isn't one way of losing weight. You have to find what works best for you. For me, I started South Beach Diet many years ago and found that cutting things out works for me. To me, weighing and logging seems more restrictive than avoiding some foods. It keeps my weight where I want it to be and I feel great. It doesn't make me binge like others have said, instead my tastes have changed and I know longer crave sugar or grains.0 -
Opinions Needed - Low Carb or Low Fat? So many different plans out there that is it difficult to decide which plan to follow - but I NEED QUICK RESULTS so that I will stick with it.
I would suggest losing the NEED QUICK RESULTS part and find a way of eating in a deficit that you can live with. None of this will be quick.0 -
Copied my response from another thread, because apparently it's going to work for multiple people today:
Stop looking for the "fastest" way to lose weight and start looking for the most sustainable way to lose weight. Trying to do it as fast as possible is going to lead you to failure in the long run.
Figure out a plan that you can stick with (hint: It's probably not eating 1200 calories) until you've lost the weight and then adjust said plan for maintenance.
This is a marathon, not a sprint. You're going to burn yourself out.0 -
just to make it clear since many people think "low carb = zero carb", myself I can have 100g/day and still be in ketosis, and with 100g carbs per day you can have all the vegetables incl. fibers you need...
cutting out certain food groups is really important, especially gluten-based food because they don't offer anything that you cannot get from other more healthy sources and they are filled with toxins
I'd like to know specifically which toxins are in gluten-based foods. Studies would also be nice, and an explanation as to why our liver/kidneys can't naturally dispose of said toxins.
*Edited to add: OP, there is no reason to cut out any food if you don't want to. You can just eat less of what you normally eat, and as long as it's under your TDEE, you'll lose weight.0 -
Cutting out certain foods leads to craving those foods.
I don't agree at all.
I would say cutting out certain foods can sometimes lead to cravings for those foods.cwolfman13 wrote: »I'm a firm believer in a balanced diet...moderate carbs, moderate fat, moderate protein intake.
of the two though, I guess I would opt for low carb...time has shown that low fat diets are actually pretty bad for you from a health standpoint...dietary fat is very essential...you can get away with little to no carbs...but I personally wouldn't bother unless I had a medical reason to actually go low carb.
note that most people who eat anything resembling the SAD could stand to moderate both carb and fat intake...but that doesn't mean you have to go low carb or low fat....just balance out your nutrition better.
I pretty much agree with this 100%0 -
just to make it clear since many people think "low carb = zero carb", myself I can have 100g/day and still be in ketosis, and with 100g carbs per day you can have all the vegetables incl. fibers you need...
cutting out certain food groups is really important, especially gluten-based food because they don't offer anything that you cannot get from other more healthy sources and they are filled with toxins
That is wrong.
As someone with Coeliac disease that genuinely can't eat gluten I really hate it when people spout this rubbish. Unless you have a medical condition, gluten is perfectly safe to eat. I certainly wish I could still eat it!
People that have genuine reasons for avoiding stuff like that have a hard enough time as it is, without everyone thinking we're 'being fussy' and making a mountain out of a mole hill. Or that we're following some crazy fad with no scientific basis... That's how you end up vomiting on a friend's carpet because she honestly didn't think putting a bit of vinegar in your dinner would matter...
Would also like to point out I lost 5 and a half stone without cutting out any food groups!
Anyway, OP you have had lost of sound advice in this thread (with the exception of the quote above!) and I hope you follow it. Eat less, move more and you'll get to where you want to be!
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cutting out certain food groups is really important, especially gluten-based food because they don't offer anything that you cannot get from other more healthy sources and they are filled with toxins
Please elaborate on how gluten based foods are filled with toxins. What toxins, specifically? Please cite a source for this information, because seriously, of all the claims I've seen about the magical benefits of going low carb, I have never seen anyone claim it is because gluten is toxic, unless you are talking about someone with a medically diagnosed sensitivity to gluten, and even then, those people would not use the phrase "filled with toxins".0 -
just to make it clear since many people think "low carb = zero carb", myself I can have 100g/day and still be in ketosis, and with 100g carbs per day you can have all the vegetables incl. fibers you need...
cutting out certain food groups is really important, especially gluten-based food because they don't offer anything that you cannot get from other more healthy sources and they are filled with toxins
I don't think 100 grams of carbs is going to qualify as low carb or ketosis...
I'm still in ketosis consuming around 100g total carbs (not net carbs)
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I don't agree at all.cutting out certain food groups is really important, especially gluten-based food because they don't offer anything that you cannot get from other more healthy sources and they are filled with toxins
Cutting out certain foods leads to craving those foods. Unless there's a legitimate medical reason and your doctor has told you to do so, it's best to keep eating the things you normally eat, just in smaller portions.
If glutens were toxic, the FDA would have banned them.
since when is FDA a reliable source ;-) I wrote that they have toxins, the amount will tell if it is toxic or not, like cigarettes :-)
anyway there is no reason to eat food with gluten, no reason at all, since there are a lot better choices
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in the end n=1 is what is valid for you, just trial and error your way 0
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I don't agree at all.cutting out certain food groups is really important, especially gluten-based food because they don't offer anything that you cannot get from other more healthy sources and they are filled with toxins
Cutting out certain foods leads to craving those foods. Unless there's a legitimate medical reason and your doctor has told you to do so, it's best to keep eating the things you normally eat, just in smaller portions.
If glutens were toxic, the FDA would have banned them.
since when is FDA a reliable source ;-) I wrote that they have toxins, the amount will tell if it is toxic or not, like cigarettes :-)
anyway there is no reason to eat food with gluten, no reason at all, since there are a lot better choices
Water is bad if we drink too much of it. You can overdose on certain vitamins as well. Context and dosage matter. A lot. There are many natural substances that we intake each day that can be toxic at high dosages.
I think the whole "zomg toxinz in muh food" is a bunch of fear-mongering BS, myself.0 -
Whatever works for you that keeps you at your calorie goal.
FYI- You can gain weight on low carb... by eating too much fat and protein. You can gain weight on low fat... by eating too much carbs and protein.0 -
I don't agree at all.cutting out certain food groups is really important, especially gluten-based food because they don't offer anything that you cannot get from other more healthy sources and they are filled with toxins
Cutting out certain foods leads to craving those foods. Unless there's a legitimate medical reason and your doctor has told you to do so, it's best to keep eating the things you normally eat, just in smaller portions.
If glutens were toxic, the FDA would have banned them.
since when is FDA a reliable source ;-) I wrote that they have toxins, the amount will tell if it is toxic or not, like cigarettes :-)
anyway there is no reason to eat food with gluten, no reason at all, since there are a lot better choices
No reason to eat food with gluten? Sounds like something Food Babe or Dr Oz would say. I love bread! All bread! How about provide some scientific (and peer-reviewed) evidence that gluten is toxic.
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Please dont listen to nonsense spouted on the internet.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/truth-about-gluten?page=2
Gluten itself doesn’t offer special nutritional benefits. But the many whole grains that contain gluten do. They’re rich in an array of vitamins and minerals, such as B vitamins and iron, as well as fiber. Studies show that whole grain foods, as part of a healthy diet, may help lower risk of heart disease, type-2 diabetes, and some forms of cancer.
"And any time you eliminate whole categories of food you’ve been used to eating, you run the risk of nutritional deficiencies," said Green. A 2005 report from the American Dietetic Association warned that gluten-free products tend to be low in a wide range of important nutrients , including B vitamins, calcium, iron, zinc, magnesium, and fiber.
There’s little point in taking that risk unless you genuinely have celiac disease or gluten sensitivity. "Eating a healthy gluten-free diet means paying constant attention to what you eat. This isn’t something that anyone should do casually," said Green.0 -
Marilyn0924 wrote: »
I don't agree at all.cutting out certain food groups is really important, especially gluten-based food because they don't offer anything that you cannot get from other more healthy sources and they are filled with toxins
Cutting out certain foods leads to craving those foods. Unless there's a legitimate medical reason and your doctor has told you to do so, it's best to keep eating the things you normally eat, just in smaller portions.
If glutens were toxic, the FDA would have banned them.
since when is FDA a reliable source ;-) I wrote that they have toxins, the amount will tell if it is toxic or not, like cigarettes :-)
anyway there is no reason to eat food with gluten, no reason at all, since there are a lot better choices
No reason to eat food with gluten? Sounds like something Food Babe or Dr Oz would say. I love bread! All bread! How about provide some scientific (and peer-reviewed) evidence that gluten is toxic.
please learn how to read, I wrote gluten-based food contains toxins, e.g. lectins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectin)
"Toxicity
Digestion and immune distress
Foods with high concentrations of lectins, such as beans, cereal grains, seeds, nuts, and potatoes, may be harmful if consumed in excess in uncooked or improperly-cooked form. Adverse effects may include nutritional deficiencies, and immune (allergic) reactions.[16] Possibly, most effects of lectins are due to gastrointestinal distress through interaction of the lectins with the epithelial cells of the gut. A recent in vitro study has suggested that the mechanism of lectin damage may occur by interfering with the repair of already-damaged epithelial cells.[17]
Lectins are considered another major family of protein antinutrients (ANCs), which are specific sugar-binding proteins exhibiting reversible carbohydrate-binding activities. Lectins are similar to antibodies in their ability to agglutinate red blood cells.
The toxicity of lectins has been identified by consumption of food with high lectin content, which may lead to diarrhea, nausea, bloating, and vomiting.
Many legume seeds have been proven to contain high lectin activity, termed hemagglutinating activity. Soybean is the most important grain legume crop in this category. Its seeds contain high activity of soybean lectins (soybean agglutinin or SBA). SBA is able to disrupt small intestinal metabolism and damage small intestinal villi via the ability of lectins to bind with brush border surfaces in the distal part of small intestine.[citation needed]
Heat processing can reduce the toxicity of lectins, but low temperature or insufficient cooking may not completely eliminate their toxicity, as some plant lectins are resistant to heat.
In addition, lectins may result in irritation and over-secretion of mucus in the intestines, causing impaired absorptive capacity of the intestinal wall.[citation needed]"
people like to read what they want to hear...
also loving bread doesn't make it healthy...0 -
Marilyn0924 wrote: »
I don't agree at all.cutting out certain food groups is really important, especially gluten-based food because they don't offer anything that you cannot get from other more healthy sources and they are filled with toxins
Cutting out certain foods leads to craving those foods. Unless there's a legitimate medical reason and your doctor has told you to do so, it's best to keep eating the things you normally eat, just in smaller portions.
If glutens were toxic, the FDA would have banned them.
since when is FDA a reliable source ;-) I wrote that they have toxins, the amount will tell if it is toxic or not, like cigarettes :-)
anyway there is no reason to eat food with gluten, no reason at all, since there are a lot better choices
No reason to eat food with gluten? Sounds like something Food Babe or Dr Oz would say. I love bread! All bread! How about provide some scientific (and peer-reviewed) evidence that gluten is toxic.
please learn how to read, I wrote gluten-based food contains toxins, e.g. lectins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectin)
"Toxicity
Digestion and immune distress
Foods with high concentrations of lectins, such as beans, cereal grains, seeds, nuts, and potatoes, may be harmful if consumed in excess in uncooked or improperly-cooked form. Adverse effects may include nutritional deficiencies, and immune (allergic) reactions.[16] Possibly, most effects of lectins are due to gastrointestinal distress through interaction of the lectins with the epithelial cells of the gut. A recent in vitro study has suggested that the mechanism of lectin damage may occur by interfering with the repair of already-damaged epithelial cells.[17]
Lectins are considered another major family of protein antinutrients (ANCs), which are specific sugar-binding proteins exhibiting reversible carbohydrate-binding activities. Lectins are similar to antibodies in their ability to agglutinate red blood cells.
The toxicity of lectins has been identified by consumption of food with high lectin content, which may lead to diarrhea, nausea, bloating, and vomiting.
Many legume seeds have been proven to contain high lectin activity, termed hemagglutinating activity. Soybean is the most important grain legume crop in this category. Its seeds contain high activity of soybean lectins (soybean agglutinin or SBA). SBA is able to disrupt small intestinal metabolism and damage small intestinal villi via the ability of lectins to bind with brush border surfaces in the distal part of small intestine.[citation needed]
Heat processing can reduce the toxicity of lectins, but low temperature or insufficient cooking may not completely eliminate their toxicity, as some plant lectins are resistant to heat.
In addition, lectins may result in irritation and over-secretion of mucus in the intestines, causing impaired absorptive capacity of the intestinal wall.[citation needed]"
people like to read what they want to hear...
also loving bread doesn't make it healthy...
Re: the bolded part - so don't eat lectin-containing foods raw or improperly cooked. Meat that is raw or improperly cooked can cause gastrointestinal distress, parasitic infections, or death. I bet you eat a lot of meat, though, right?
I guess since too much fiber can cause a little GI discomfort, we probably shouldn't be eating fiber either.
Too much cheese can constipate you - better stop eating the toxic cheese.
The argument you put forth for not eating gluten is absurd. Please, stop spreading your misinformation.
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I lost 100lbs in about 9 months I am guessing that is fast enough for just about anyone. The secret is low calorie diet. Low carb is just intended to make it so that you eat more protein and fat and are therefor less hungry so you eat less calories (in theory) Low fat is just intended to help you avoid fat which as far as I have seen never actually works because unless you have the will power of a god you will either overeat carbs or be starving all the time. Just do the balanced thing. Cut your calories and eat only what will add value to your diet (ie no fast food, chips, soda, candy). The more calories you cut the faster you will lose but you have to be careful to ensure that you eat enough to get the vitamins and minerals your body needs to function. It takes planning and a bit of research but you can reach your goals quickly and safely through calorie deficit. You will never reach it eating a surplus even if that surplus doesn't include either fat or carbs.0
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Have you thought or looked into the Paleo way of eating, very healthy I find and satisfying too?0
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Marilyn0924 wrote: »
I don't agree at all.cutting out certain food groups is really important, especially gluten-based food because they don't offer anything that you cannot get from other more healthy sources and they are filled with toxins
Cutting out certain foods leads to craving those foods. Unless there's a legitimate medical reason and your doctor has told you to do so, it's best to keep eating the things you normally eat, just in smaller portions.
If glutens were toxic, the FDA would have banned them.
since when is FDA a reliable source ;-) I wrote that they have toxins, the amount will tell if it is toxic or not, like cigarettes :-)
anyway there is no reason to eat food with gluten, no reason at all, since there are a lot better choices
No reason to eat food with gluten? Sounds like something Food Babe or Dr Oz would say. I love bread! All bread! How about provide some scientific (and peer-reviewed) evidence that gluten is toxic.
please learn how to read, I wrote gluten-based food contains toxins, e.g. lectins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectin)
"Toxicity
Digestion and immune distress
Foods with high concentrations of lectins, such as beans, cereal grains, seeds, nuts, and potatoes, may be harmful if consumed in excess in uncooked or improperly-cooked form. Adverse effects may include nutritional deficiencies, and immune (allergic) reactions.[16] Possibly, most effects of lectins are due to gastrointestinal distress through interaction of the lectins with the epithelial cells of the gut. A recent in vitro study has suggested that the mechanism of lectin damage may occur by interfering with the repair of already-damaged epithelial cells.[17]
Lectins are considered another major family of protein antinutrients (ANCs), which are specific sugar-binding proteins exhibiting reversible carbohydrate-binding activities. Lectins are similar to antibodies in their ability to agglutinate red blood cells.
The toxicity of lectins has been identified by consumption of food with high lectin content, which may lead to diarrhea, nausea, bloating, and vomiting.
Many legume seeds have been proven to contain high lectin activity, termed hemagglutinating activity. Soybean is the most important grain legume crop in this category. Its seeds contain high activity of soybean lectins (soybean agglutinin or SBA). SBA is able to disrupt small intestinal metabolism and damage small intestinal villi via the ability of lectins to bind with brush border surfaces in the distal part of small intestine.[citation needed]
Heat processing can reduce the toxicity of lectins, but low temperature or insufficient cooking may not completely eliminate their toxicity, as some plant lectins are resistant to heat.
In addition, lectins may result in irritation and over-secretion of mucus in the intestines, causing impaired absorptive capacity of the intestinal wall.[citation needed]"
people like to read what they want to hear...
also loving bread doesn't make it healthy...
Re: the bolded part - so don't eat lectin-containing foods raw or improperly cooked. Meat that is raw or improperly cooked can cause gastrointestinal distress, parasitic infections, or death. I bet you eat a lot of meat, though, right?
I guess since too much fiber can cause a little GI discomfort, we probably shouldn't be eating fiber either.
Too much cheese can constipate you - better stop eating the toxic cheese.
The argument you put forth for not eating gluten is absurd. Please, stop spreading your misinformation.
it's not my information, I clearly wrote down the reference, maybe you need to study a little bit more before making absurd accusation based on selective reading...if you want to keep eating lectins it's up to you, but again, there is nothing in e.g. bread that you need that you cannot get from a healthier source...if you cannot get that message into your head then I cannot help you-1 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Marilyn0924 wrote: »
I don't agree at all.cutting out certain food groups is really important, especially gluten-based food because they don't offer anything that you cannot get from other more healthy sources and they are filled with toxins
Cutting out certain foods leads to craving those foods. Unless there's a legitimate medical reason and your doctor has told you to do so, it's best to keep eating the things you normally eat, just in smaller portions.
If glutens were toxic, the FDA would have banned them.
since when is FDA a reliable source ;-) I wrote that they have toxins, the amount will tell if it is toxic or not, like cigarettes :-)
anyway there is no reason to eat food with gluten, no reason at all, since there are a lot better choices
No reason to eat food with gluten? Sounds like something Food Babe or Dr Oz would say. I love bread! All bread! How about provide some scientific (and peer-reviewed) evidence that gluten is toxic.
please learn how to read, I wrote gluten-based food contains toxins, e.g. lectins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectin)
"Toxicity
Digestion and immune distress
Foods with high concentrations of lectins, such as beans, cereal grains, seeds, nuts, and potatoes, may be harmful if consumed in excess in uncooked or improperly-cooked form. Adverse effects may include nutritional deficiencies, and immune (allergic) reactions.[16] Possibly, most effects of lectins are due to gastrointestinal distress through interaction of the lectins with the epithelial cells of the gut. A recent in vitro study has suggested that the mechanism of lectin damage may occur by interfering with the repair of already-damaged epithelial cells.[17]
Lectins are considered another major family of protein antinutrients (ANCs), which are specific sugar-binding proteins exhibiting reversible carbohydrate-binding activities. Lectins are similar to antibodies in their ability to agglutinate red blood cells.
The toxicity of lectins has been identified by consumption of food with high lectin content, which may lead to diarrhea, nausea, bloating, and vomiting.
Many legume seeds have been proven to contain high lectin activity, termed hemagglutinating activity. Soybean is the most important grain legume crop in this category. Its seeds contain high activity of soybean lectins (soybean agglutinin or SBA). SBA is able to disrupt small intestinal metabolism and damage small intestinal villi via the ability of lectins to bind with brush border surfaces in the distal part of small intestine.[citation needed]
Heat processing can reduce the toxicity of lectins, but low temperature or insufficient cooking may not completely eliminate their toxicity, as some plant lectins are resistant to heat.
In addition, lectins may result in irritation and over-secretion of mucus in the intestines, causing impaired absorptive capacity of the intestinal wall.[citation needed]"
people like to read what they want to hear...
also loving bread doesn't make it healthy...
Re: the bolded part - so don't eat lectin-containing foods raw or improperly cooked. Meat that is raw or improperly cooked can cause gastrointestinal distress, parasitic infections, or death. I bet you eat a lot of meat, though, right?
I guess since too much fiber can cause a little GI discomfort, we probably shouldn't be eating fiber either.
Too much cheese can constipate you - better stop eating the toxic cheese.
The argument you put forth for not eating gluten is absurd. Please, stop spreading your misinformation.
it's not my information, I clearly wrote down the reference, maybe you need to study a little bit more before making absurd accusation based on selective reading...if you want to keep eating lectins it's up to you, but again, there is nothing in e.g. bread that you need that you cannot get from a healthier source...if you cannot get that message into your head then I cannot help you
Lol.
So stop spreading other people's misinformation.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Marilyn0924 wrote: »
I don't agree at all.cutting out certain food groups is really important, especially gluten-based food because they don't offer anything that you cannot get from other more healthy sources and they are filled with toxins
Cutting out certain foods leads to craving those foods. Unless there's a legitimate medical reason and your doctor has told you to do so, it's best to keep eating the things you normally eat, just in smaller portions.
If glutens were toxic, the FDA would have banned them.
since when is FDA a reliable source ;-) I wrote that they have toxins, the amount will tell if it is toxic or not, like cigarettes :-)
anyway there is no reason to eat food with gluten, no reason at all, since there are a lot better choices
No reason to eat food with gluten? Sounds like something Food Babe or Dr Oz would say. I love bread! All bread! How about provide some scientific (and peer-reviewed) evidence that gluten is toxic.
please learn how to read, I wrote gluten-based food contains toxins, e.g. lectins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectin)
"Toxicity
Digestion and immune distress
Foods with high concentrations of lectins, such as beans, cereal grains, seeds, nuts, and potatoes, may be harmful if consumed in excess in uncooked or improperly-cooked form. Adverse effects may include nutritional deficiencies, and immune (allergic) reactions.[16] Possibly, most effects of lectins are due to gastrointestinal distress through interaction of the lectins with the epithelial cells of the gut. A recent in vitro study has suggested that the mechanism of lectin damage may occur by interfering with the repair of already-damaged epithelial cells.[17]
Lectins are considered another major family of protein antinutrients (ANCs), which are specific sugar-binding proteins exhibiting reversible carbohydrate-binding activities. Lectins are similar to antibodies in their ability to agglutinate red blood cells.
The toxicity of lectins has been identified by consumption of food with high lectin content, which may lead to diarrhea, nausea, bloating, and vomiting.
Many legume seeds have been proven to contain high lectin activity, termed hemagglutinating activity. Soybean is the most important grain legume crop in this category. Its seeds contain high activity of soybean lectins (soybean agglutinin or SBA). SBA is able to disrupt small intestinal metabolism and damage small intestinal villi via the ability of lectins to bind with brush border surfaces in the distal part of small intestine.[citation needed]
Heat processing can reduce the toxicity of lectins, but low temperature or insufficient cooking may not completely eliminate their toxicity, as some plant lectins are resistant to heat.
In addition, lectins may result in irritation and over-secretion of mucus in the intestines, causing impaired absorptive capacity of the intestinal wall.[citation needed]"
people like to read what they want to hear...
also loving bread doesn't make it healthy...
Re: the bolded part - so don't eat lectin-containing foods raw or improperly cooked. Meat that is raw or improperly cooked can cause gastrointestinal distress, parasitic infections, or death. I bet you eat a lot of meat, though, right?
I guess since too much fiber can cause a little GI discomfort, we probably shouldn't be eating fiber either.
Too much cheese can constipate you - better stop eating the toxic cheese.
The argument you put forth for not eating gluten is absurd. Please, stop spreading your misinformation.
it's not my information, I clearly wrote down the reference, maybe you need to study a little bit more before making absurd accusation based on selective reading...if you want to keep eating lectins it's up to you, but again, there is nothing in e.g. bread that you need that you cannot get from a healthier source...if you cannot get that message into your head then I cannot help you
Maybe you need to take your own advice? And stop trusting Wikipedia?
Would also like to point out that only one of the items listed in your "source" actually contains gluten? Beans, seeds, nuts, and potatoes are all gloriously gluten free! So maybe you need to study some more before you spread this rubbish? 0 -
Although low carb can make you drop weight fast in the beginning, it's half water weight. You need to stick to it long-term, or at least keep the carbs lower than they used to be. You also need a deficit to lose weight.0
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