Protein!?
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LolBroScience wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »Sam_I_Am77 wrote: »And NO... it was found in my graduate school's library but you might find on the internet via Google located on PubMed or Google Scholar or XYZ web-site that provides peer reviewed studies. Nice try though...
Fair enough ...I'll retract my snark on the Google comment. Though I might respectfully suggest referring to Google Scholar, etc instead of just saying "Google it" (which you have to admit, is far too often used to justify outright false premises) in the future. The former I would have had a much different reaction to.
In the end though, in re: the OP - it seems we're all in about the same ballpark...so I'm not exactly sure what we're bickering about any more (other than it's MFP and that's what we do).
because the +/-25g protein spread matters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well I suppose you're right. I mean if Newman from Seinfeld just had eaten one more Quest bar a day, he could've been the next Ah-nold.0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »In the end though, in re: the OP - it seems we're all in about the same ballpark...so I'm not exactly sure what we're bickering about any more (other than it's MFP and that's what we do).
This is what I'm wondering about. The difference between a range of .6-.8 g per lb of body weight and 1.4-2.2 g per kg of body weight isn't that significant, especially since there's no harm from getting protein in the .81-1 g per lb of bodyweight range.
Where it becomes problematic is if people are really obese and have much less LBM than you'd expect from their bodyweights. Then I'd focus on goal weight or try to estimate LBM.0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »In the end though, in re: the OP - it seems we're all in about the same ballpark...so I'm not exactly sure what we're bickering about any more (other than it's MFP and that's what we do).
So then you do understand what we're bickering about.0 -
Sam_I_Am77 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »
In the end though, in re: the OP - it seems we're all in about the same ballpark...so I'm not exactly sure what we're bickering about any more (other than it's MFP and that's what we do).
I'm not sure either. I never said he was wrong, I just there's no abolute because the available data lends to many different results. The only things I do know, not think, that's he wrong about is averaging results. Results must be applied in-context to the population that is studied, period. We can debate the human is a human all day long but there is a huge difference between the needs to an olympic weight lifting athlete and a recreational lifter.
Fun little fact... all plants on the planet Earth thrive best with a 3-1-2 ratio of nitrogen-phosphorous-potassium. From a house fern, to a tree, to an ocean plant, to a cactus.... size, strength, and harsh environments are not factors.
For humans, there have been countless studies done on protein intake and how it relates to maintaining muscles and promoting new muscle synthesis while training. 0.80 grams per 1 lb. bodyweight is the upper register of that... plain and simple. These results hold true for a variety of populations, assuming they are active and not extremely sedentary or obese.
There is not a huge protein intake difference between the needs of an olympic weightlifter and a recreational lifter... There is not even a small difference. The only difference is the volume of their workout, their activity level, and their overall diet or caloric intake. Protein intake has a ceiling as it relates to assisting muscles. Anything that you have said to the contrary thus far is not based in actual science.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »In the end though, in re: the OP - it seems we're all in about the same ballpark...so I'm not exactly sure what we're bickering about any more (other than it's MFP and that's what we do).
This is what I'm wondering about. The difference between a range of .6-.8 g per lb of body weight and 1.4-2.2 g per kg of body weight isn't that significant, especially since there's no harm from getting protein in the .81-1 g per lb of bodyweight range.
Where it becomes problematic is if people are really obese and have much less LBM than you'd expect from their bodyweights. Then I'd focus on goal weight or try to estimate LBM.
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ceoverturf wrote: »In the end though, in re: the OP - it seems we're all in about the same ballpark...so I'm not exactly sure what we're bickering about any more (other than it's MFP and that's what we do).
So then you do understand what we're bickering about.
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Fun little fact... all plants on the planet earth thrive best with a 3-1-2 ratio of nitrogen-phosphorous-potassium. From a house fern, to a tree, to an ocean plant, to a cactus.... size, strength, and harsh environments are not factors.
The OP is'n't a plant, your comparison is irrelevant.For humans, there have been countless studies done on protein intake and how it relates to maintaining muscles and promoting new muscle synthesis while training. 0.80 grams per 1 lb. bodyweight is the upper register of that... plain and simple. These results hold true for a variety of populations, assuming they are active and not extremely sedentary or obese.
Yes there have been, I don't disagree with you and I'm still trying to figure out what your problem is.There is not a huge protein intake difference between the needs of an olympic weightlifter and a recreational lifter... There is not even a small difference. The only difference is the volume of their workout, their activity level, and their overall diet or caloric intake. Protein intake has a ceiling as it relates assisting muscles. Anything that you have said to the contrary thus far is not based in actual science.
I don't mean this is a sarcastic or mean way either, but if you believe that then you really need to read more peer-reviewed research. I can assure you, everything I've stated is based on a peer-reviewed (mostly primary source material at that) literature.
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Sam_I_Am77 wrote: »Fun little fact... all plants on the planet earth thrive best with a 3-1-2 ratio of nitrogen-phosphorous-potassium. From a house fern, to a tree, to an ocean plant, to a cactus.... size, strength, and harsh environments are not factors.
The OP is'n't a plan, your comparison is irrelevant.For humans, there have been countless studies done on protein intake and how it relates to maintaining muscles and promoting new muscle synthesis while training. 0.80 grams per 1 lb. bodyweight is the upper register of that... plain and simple. These results hold true for a variety of populations, assuming they are active and not extremely sedentary or obese.
Yes there have been, I don't disagree with you and I'm still trying to figure out what your problem is.There is not a huge protein intake difference between the needs of an olympic weightlifter and a recreational lifter... There is not even a small difference. The only difference is the volume of their workout, their activity level, and their overall diet or caloric intake. Protein intake has a ceiling as it relates assisting muscles. Anything that you have said to the contrary thus far is not based in actual science.
I don't mean this is a sarcastic or mean way either, but if you believe that then you really need to read more peer-reviewed research. I can assure you, everything I've stated is based on a peer-reviewed (mostly primary source material at that) literature.
Again, you seem to be missing the basic point. You also have a tendency for misinterpreting results from the majority of published peer-reviewed studies, or perhaps not understanding them from the very start.0 -
I took .9 grams / lb today, am I dead now? I'd like both Sam and Six's opinions.0
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Sam_I_Am77 wrote: »Fun little fact... all plants on the planet earth thrive best with a 3-1-2 ratio of nitrogen-phosphorous-potassium. From a house fern, to a tree, to an ocean plant, to a cactus.... size, strength, and harsh environments are not factors.
The OP is'n't a plan, your comparison is irrelevant.For humans, there have been countless studies done on protein intake and how it relates to maintaining muscles and promoting new muscle synthesis while training. 0.80 grams per 1 lb. bodyweight is the upper register of that... plain and simple. These results hold true for a variety of populations, assuming they are active and not extremely sedentary or obese.
Yes there have been, I don't disagree with you and I'm still trying to figure out what your problem is.There is not a huge protein intake difference between the needs of an olympic weightlifter and a recreational lifter... There is not even a small difference. The only difference is the volume of their workout, their activity level, and their overall diet or caloric intake. Protein intake has a ceiling as it relates assisting muscles. Anything that you have said to the contrary thus far is not based in actual science.
I don't mean this is a sarcastic or mean way either, but if you believe that then you really need to read more peer-reviewed research. I can assure you, everything I've stated is based on a peer-reviewed (mostly primary source material at that) literature.
Again, you seem to be missing the basic point. You also have a tendency for misinterpreting results from the majority of published peer-reviewed studies, or perhaps not understanding them from the very start.
Alright, you win I give-up... I've can't continue arguing with ignorance.0 -
Sam_I_Am77 wrote: »Sam_I_Am77 wrote: »Fun little fact... all plants on the planet earth thrive best with a 3-1-2 ratio of nitrogen-phosphorous-potassium. From a house fern, to a tree, to an ocean plant, to a cactus.... size, strength, and harsh environments are not factors.
The OP is'n't a plan, your comparison is irrelevant.For humans, there have been countless studies done on protein intake and how it relates to maintaining muscles and promoting new muscle synthesis while training. 0.80 grams per 1 lb. bodyweight is the upper register of that... plain and simple. These results hold true for a variety of populations, assuming they are active and not extremely sedentary or obese.
Yes there have been, I don't disagree with you and I'm still trying to figure out what your problem is.There is not a huge protein intake difference between the needs of an olympic weightlifter and a recreational lifter... There is not even a small difference. The only difference is the volume of their workout, their activity level, and their overall diet or caloric intake. Protein intake has a ceiling as it relates assisting muscles. Anything that you have said to the contrary thus far is not based in actual science.
I don't mean this is a sarcastic or mean way either, but if you believe that then you really need to read more peer-reviewed research. I can assure you, everything I've stated is based on a peer-reviewed (mostly primary source material at that) literature.
Again, you seem to be missing the basic point. You also have a tendency for misinterpreting results from the majority of published peer-reviewed studies, or perhaps not understanding them from the very start.
Alright, you win I give-up... I've can't continue arguing with ignorance.
Ignorance assumes that someone is asserting an opinion without having correct information and/or an incomplete picture, which you appear to be doing. I have provided substantial evidence for my claims. I am very sorry that you can't understand those sources.0 -
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I feel like I've just been at the OK Corral. I believe someone mentioned protein.0
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Wow I think I've started a debate lol ... All I wanted to know is that I'm 132lbs so how much protein should I be taking in I work out 5/6 times a week mix of weights and cardio and wether it's okay that I'm going over my protein goal on mfp0
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Wow I think I've started a debate lol ... All I wanted to know is that I'm 132lbs so how much protein should I be taking in I work out 5/6 times a week mix of weights and cardio and wether it's okay that I'm going over my protein goal on mfp
Based on your intial post, you're probably just fine at 80-110g per day. You're probably fine going over that, but at some point diminishing returns will play a role, so consider your own preferences as well.0 -
The protein goal on MFP is based on a percentage of your calories, so it's not really a good guide (although in your case it sounds like it's fine). Many people like to increase it some. Based on the ranges given here it seems like it's on the low side but within the range and that anywhere from 79 g to 132 g would be a reasonable goal (although more than 106 g probably isn't necessary and a little more than 132 wouldn't be harmful).
If you find yourself going over your goal a lot, why not increase it? MFP has a default of (if memory serves) 50% carbs, 25% protein and fat, but lots of people modify that. I like 40% carbs, 30% protein and fat personally, as it just fits well with how I like to eat.
The MFP default macro ratios aren't magic--there's a wide range as to what healthy macro breakdowns can be and there tends to be a lot of personal preference as to what works.0 -
nevermind.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »The protein goal on MFP is based on a percentage of your calories, so it's not really a good guide (although in your case it sounds like it's fine). Many people like to increase it some. Based on the ranges given here it seems like it's on the low side but within the range and that anywhere from 79 g to 132 g would be a reasonable goal (although more than 106 g probably isn't necessary and a little more than 132 wouldn't be harmful).
If you find yourself going over your goal a lot, why not increase it? MFP has a default of (if memory serves) 50% carbs, 25% protein and fat, but lots of people modify that. I like 40% carbs, 30% protein and fat personally, as it just fits well with how I like to eat.
The MFP default macro ratios aren't magic--there's a wide range as to what healthy macro breakdowns can be and there tends to be a lot of personal preference as to what works.
Thank you that's a good bit of advice/info there you answered my question and more lol
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