For Asian Women 1200 calories are maintenance??!!
rajnigandha21
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I was talking to a person on other site and he stated that for Asian (not only China, Japan,Thailand but Whole Asia) people caloric needs differ from European,African continents and they are more prone to diabetes. He stated that for a sedate Asian women 1200 calories would be maintenance not deficit. And that's the cause for my slow loss as I am eating on maintenance most of the time!! I was speechless!! Can anyone relate to this?
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You're talking to an idiot. Problem solved.0
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No.
If they are very sedentary and about 4'8" and slim, yes. Otherwise...just no!0 -
If you are losing weight, even if it's slow, you are not eating at maintenance.0
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Happy to hear that!!BusyRaeNOTBusty wrote: »If you are losing weight, even if it's slow, you are not eating at maintenance.0 -
MamaBirdBoss wrote: »No.
If they are very sedentary and about 4'8" and slim, yes. Otherwise...just no!
True, could have been a really poor generalization about Asian women being petite and slim.0 -
Not at all. I'm Asian, about 5'6", and I don't gain weight eating 1800 cal/day.0
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You're talking to an idiot. Problem solved.
You should probably do a bit of research before making a statement like that
The person she talked to is far from an Idiot, On the other hand those claiming he is are a good example of how a little knowledge can be dangerous.. These people are operating under the false assumption that all humans have equally efficient digestive systems. Herein lays the problem with asking questions on forums that are best directed at Doctors and recognized Experts.
People unfamiliar with the subject tend to assume that if a food product contains a 100 calories that everyone who consumes it will extract 100 calories from that same food. This is not the case, people with inefficient digestive systems may only be able to extract 25 calories out of that food while people with very efficient digestive systems can extract the full 100 calories most people are someplace in between.
Ethnicity and ancestral geography seems to play a significant role in digestive system efficiency. For example African american women who recently had tribal ancestry generally have extremely efficient digestive systems. The men in these nomadic tribes for generations always ate first and received first choice of food and the women were last to eat so they evolved more efficient digestive systems so they could survive on less food.
When the ancestors of these Nomadic African tribes move to countries like the US where food is plentiful they suffer a higher rate of obesity.
There have been many studies done regarding this subject with the Germans and the Swiss leading the research. I have actually been a test subject in several clinical research studies examining digestive system efficiency. At the time researchers were very interested in me because I have an extremely efficient digestive system which can extract more caloric energy from proteins and carbohydrates then normal.
Anyhow women with Asian ancestry who for generations lived in poverty where food was scarce generally have a tendency to have a much more efficient digestive systems then women who's ancestors had access to plentiful sources of food..0 -
CaptBligh001 wrote: »This person is far from an Idiot and those claiming he is are a good example of how a little knowledge can be dangerous.. These people are operating under the false assumption that all humans have equally efficient digestive systems.
People unfamiliar with the subject tend to assume that if a food product contains a 100 calories that everyone who consumes it will extract 100 calories from that same food. This is not the case, people with inefficient digestive systems may only be able to extract 25 calories out of that food while people with very efficient digestive systems can extract the full 100 calories most people are someplace in between.
Ethnicity and ancestral geography seems to play a significant role in digestive system efficiency. For example African american women who recently had tribal ancestry generally have extremely efficient digestive systems. The men in these nomadic tribes got first choice of food and the women were last to eat so they evolved more efficient digestive systems so they could survive on less food.
When the ancestors of these Nomadic African tribes move to countries like the US where food is plentiful they suffer a higher rate of obesity.
There have been many studies done regarding this subject with the Germans and the Swiss leading the research. I have actually been a test subject in several clinical research studies examining digestive system efficiency. At the time researchers were very interested in me because I have an extremely efficient digestive system which can extract more caloric energy from proteins and carbohydrates then normal.
Anyhow women with Asian ancestry who for generations lived in poverty where food was scarce generally have a tendency to have a much more efficient digestive systems then women who's ancestors had access to plentiful sources of food..
Some food for thought! Hmm.0 -
CaptBligh001 wrote: »You're talking to an idiot. Problem solved.
You should probably do a bit of research before making a statement like that
The person she talked to is far from an Idiot, On the other hand those claiming he is are a good example of how a little knowledge can be dangerous.. These people are operating under the false assumption that all humans have equally efficient digestive systems. Herein lays the problem with asking questions on forums that are best directed at Doctors and recognized Experts.
People unfamiliar with the subject tend to assume that if a food product contains a 100 calories that everyone who consumes it will extract 100 calories from that same food. This is not the case, people with inefficient digestive systems may only be able to extract 25 calories out of that food while people with very efficient digestive systems can extract the full 100 calories most people are someplace in between.
Ethnicity and ancestral geography seems to play a significant role in digestive system efficiency. For example African american women who recently had tribal ancestry generally have extremely efficient digestive systems. The men in these nomadic tribes got first choice of food and the women were last to eat so they evolved more efficient digestive systems so they could survive on less food.
When the ancestors of these Nomadic African tribes move to countries like the US where food is plentiful they suffer a higher rate of obesity.
There have been many studies done regarding this subject with the Germans and the Swiss leading the research. I have actually been a test subject in several clinical research studies examining digestive system efficiency. At the time researchers were very interested in me because I have an extremely efficient digestive system which can extract more caloric energy from proteins and carbohydrates then normal.
Anyhow women with Asian ancestry who for generations lived in poverty where food was scarce generally have a tendency to have a much more efficient digestive systems then women who's ancestors had access to plentiful sources of food..
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I wish I could make popcorn in the work microwave without setting off all the alarms.0
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Do you have any published studies supporting this theory/findings? I did a quick googling and the only mention I find is in Paleo blogs and I am not taking the word of a blogger as gospel. I am not saying that it's not true, just that I would like to know more about this from reliable sources.0
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CaptBligh001 wrote: »You're talking to an idiot. Problem solved.
You should probably do a bit of research before making a statement like that
The person she talked to is far from an Idiot, On the other hand those claiming he is are a good example of how a little knowledge can be dangerous.. These people are operating under the false assumption that all humans have equally efficient digestive systems. Herein lays the problem with asking questions on forums that are best directed at Doctors and recognized Experts.
People unfamiliar with the subject tend to assume that if a food product contains a 100 calories that everyone who consumes it will extract 100 calories from that same food. This is not the case, people with inefficient digestive systems may only be able to extract 25 calories out of that food while people with very efficient digestive systems can extract the full 100 calories most people are someplace in between.
Ethnicity and ancestral geography seems to play a significant role in digestive system efficiency. For example African american women who recently had tribal ancestry generally have extremely efficient digestive systems. The men in these nomadic tribes for generations always ate first and received first choice of food and the women were last to eat so they evolved more efficient digestive systems so they could survive on less food.
When the ancestors of these Nomadic African tribes move to countries like the US where food is plentiful they suffer a higher rate of obesity.
There have been many studies done regarding this subject with the Germans and the Swiss leading the research. I have actually been a test subject in several clinical research studies examining digestive system efficiency. At the time researchers were very interested in me because I have an extremely efficient digestive system which can extract more caloric energy from proteins and carbohydrates then normal.
Anyhow women with Asian ancestry who for generations lived in poverty where food was scarce generally have a tendency to have a much more efficient digestive systems then women who's ancestors had access to plentiful sources of food..
So people of the same ethnicity need to eat the same amount of food regardless of differences in height, weight, or activity level?! Really?!
And in case there are any other comprehension issues, the person the OP was talking to stated that every female on an ENTIRE CONTINENT has the same caloric needs.0 -
Seriously I don't think so.0
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5' 1" 132lbs South Pacific Islander here.
If I don't work out, my TDEE is approx. 1500cal. At my goal weight of 105lbs (a healthy 20~ BMI for my height - in fact, because I'm Asian it should be lower as my ethnic group is more susceptible to diabetes at lower BMIs than Westerners), I'd have a TDEE of approx. 1450cal.
If I were 4' 11" and 100lbs (BMI 20.2, BF at 20%) like my friend, my TDEE at a sedentary level would be approx 1380cal.
1200? No, you're right, a little more. But still low compared to what a lot of people here seem to think is "healthy".
Not to mention in a lot of Asian countries the "norm" is to be underweight, not even "normal" weight. Culturally, women aren't supposed to lift, either. Thin limbs and slender features rather than even "toned" features are what's considered attractive and normal.
So 1200cal could very well be a good maintenance level for a working Asian woman with a sedentary lifestyle who stands at 4' 11" at a low weight.
Plus, there's probably a lot of fatlogic in there, too - they probably eat more than 1200cal, but they think it's what they're eating. Ignorance goes in all directions.0 -
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It's been years since I was involved in this so I personally have noting to offer other then what I recall from memory. But I'm sure someone like you properly motivated could become an expert on the subject over night after all the research is easy enough to find, I'm personally not interested enough in the subject to sort through 1000's of pages of research again.
Anyhow Just go to pubmed or science direct and do a research related query using key words such as digestive systems efficiency.... I'm confident you'll find several 1000 pages of medical research on the subject, I know they exist as I was a test subject in several of them. If you're looking for a blog post or a face book page or some type of wiki then I sorry but I won't be much help..
With that said I have to ask are you being sincere in your request or sarcastic and disingenuous. After all you don't need to be a PHd to accept the validity of fluctuations in human digestive system efficiency. The evidence is all around us.
We all know that guy who never exercises sleeps all the time yet can gorge himself on whatever he wants yet never gains a single pound (My college roommate), likewise we all know that poor girl who spends hours at the gym eats like a bird makes the mistake of eating a cupcake and gains 5 pounds. Do you really think that thyroid and individual metabolic variations explain these extremes ? of course not !
It would be asinine to assume that everyone's digestive system is the same. There are variables in individual metabolic rate just as there are variables in individual digestive system efficiency. Normally these variables are small enough to be inconsequential other times they are quite substantial,
To the OP the number of calories you get on paper is kinda irrelevant and the system used to estimate it is somewhat inaccurate , While it might be entertaining to track the theoretical calories the average person is supposed to consume you must realize that they are an estimate and far from accurate for 100 percent of the population. It's much more important that you listen to what your own body is telling you. Your body will tell you when you aren't eating enough, If anything its far more important to track things like fiber,fat, cholesterol,sodium and sugar intake rather than generic calories.
To make matters worse many of these websites and devices used to calculate exercise calories do so inaccurately by not compensating and adjusting for basal metabolic rate, this becomes problematic if you eat back your exercise calories because you end up overeating. You can manually compensate for this by dividing your Basel metabolic rate by 24 and subtracting that number for every hour of exercise.
The bottom line is that due to ancestry and genetics it's very possible that your theoretical caloric needs are lower than average.Once again Its best to listen to your own body and what its telling you. If you still have questions and want answers rather than subjective opinion I suggest you consult a Dr. or a recognized expert in the field.0 -
Lol, OP if you really want, shell out the money for that fancy test that measure your exact needs and go from there.0
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So people of the same ethnicity need to eat the same amount of food regardless of differences in height, weight, or activity level?! Really?!
And in case there are any other comprehension issues, the person the OP was talking to stated that every female on an ENTIRE CONTINENT has the same caloric needs.
Hmmm interesting interpretation, As my good friend and mentor used to say I think that was a pretty good example of opening your mouth before putting your brain into gear- LOL. Exactly how is his recommendation any different then our national recommendation of 2500 calories a day for men and 2000 calories a day for women. Last time I checked the side of a box of cheerios I didn't recall seeing a recommended caloric intake broken down by age, height and weight.
You really only run into these more precise breakdowns of needed caloric intake with advanced weight loss enthusiasts and body building/fitness enthusiasts or when deemed medically relevant by a physician other than that the average Joe in the US thinks it's 2500 calories a day for men and 2000 calories a day for women. Again I see no difference between this and the basic recommendation given the OP.
Now don't miss understand me I'm not saying that his recommendation is correct he may very well be wrong, what I'm saying is its very irresponsible to make the statement that He's an "idiot" without knowing who "HE" is and without first researching the issue. Then I preceded to provide an argument of why he might be correct. This is the difference between a scientific mentality and an enthusiasts or hobbyist mentality where a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Unlike hobbyist, Scientists in the search of knowledge and understanding simply don't discount new or contradictory information when it doesn't fit neatly into their current understanding of a subject. If they did we would all still be living in caves..
I learned long ago that when confronted with new information or a new idea that doesn't jive with what I think I know, It's probably best not to react out of emotion but rather to put the brain into drive and evaluate the information as best I can before discounting it.
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I have never heard that "Asians" need fewer calories -- and what do we mean by Asians, since that could include Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc., who have smaller bone structure -- and people from India, Pakistan and other countries who have a completely different body type. "Asians" if we mean Chinese, Japanese, Koreans -- may need fewer calories due to size and bone structure. I teach international students and some of my female students have wrists half the size of mine, and I am a small American woman. I have heard that they develop diabetes at a lower BMI, but that may also be due to size -- a Chinese female with a BMI of 24 may have more body fat than a larger boned Western woman.0
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OP, if someone told you that any Asian woman needs to eat 1200 calories, that is simply not true. Even if Asians digest food differently, an underweight 4'11" Asian woman will need to eat less to maintain than a 5'6" overweight Asian woman. Your best bet is to figure out your TDEE and start with the generalized numbers. If your weight doesn't start moving after 4 weeks, reduce by 100 cals and give it more time. All the formulas are estimates anyway, so many people have to play with the numbers until they find the right fit. Good luck :drinker:0
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CaptBligh001 wrote: »
So people of the same ethnicity need to eat the same amount of food regardless of differences in height, weight, or activity level?! Really?!
And in case there are any other comprehension issues, the person the OP was talking to stated that every female on an ENTIRE CONTINENT has the same caloric needs.
Exactly how is his recommendation any different then our national recommendation of 2500 calories a day for men and 2000 calories a day for women. Last time I checked the side of a box of cheerios I didn't recall seeing a recommended caloric intake broken down by age, height and weight.
You really only run into these more precise breakdowns of needed caloric intake with advanced weight loss enthusiasts and body building/fitness enthusiasts or when deemed medically relevant by a physician other than that the average Joe in the US thinks it's 2500 calories a day for men and 2000 calories a day for women. Again I see no difference between this and the basic recommendation given the OP.
Most people active on the MFP forums have run their specific numbers not only for calories, but for their macros as well. In fact, plugging your stats and goals into MFP gives you a personalized calorie goal. I have never run into anyone here who is going by the 2500/2000 cal recommendation.0 -
No, I'm not shocked to hear that some yahoo on the Internet wanted to play doctor and give advice without actually going to school and learning anything.
If you get your health advice online, you get what you pay for.0 -
I have never heard that "Asians" need fewer calories -- and what do we mean by Asians, since that could include Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc., who have smaller bone structure -- and people from India, Pakistan and other countries who have a completely different body type. "Asians" if we mean Chinese, Japanese, Koreans -- may need fewer calories due to size and bone structure. I teach international students and some of my female students have wrists half the size of mine, and I am a small American woman. I have heard that they develop diabetes at a lower BMI, but that may also be due to size -- a Chinese female with a BMI of 24 may have more body fat than a larger boned Western woman.
This. While they do develop obesity-related chronic conditions at a lower BMI, it is dependent on their individual size, activity level, etc.0
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