Kevin Smith lost over 85lbs!
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So, I read Kevin Smith (Silent Bob - and filmmaker) mention that the movie 'Fed Up' helped him to change the way he views food. He has lost over 85lbs due to those changes.
Has anyone else watched the movie? If so, what changes, if any, did you make?
We watched the movie last night on Netflix. According to the movie the WHO (World Health Organization) recommended the calories from sugar be no more than 10%. When I figured up the amount of sugar on my food diary it was set at 15% (46g). I went to http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/change_goals_custom and changed it to 10% (30g).
For those that are finding it hard to lose - maybe watch the movie on Netflix - and change the daily amount of sugar to only 10%. Remember there are 4 calories for every gram of sugar.
Has anyone else watched the movie? If so, what changes, if any, did you make?
We watched the movie last night on Netflix. According to the movie the WHO (World Health Organization) recommended the calories from sugar be no more than 10%. When I figured up the amount of sugar on my food diary it was set at 15% (46g). I went to http://www.myfitnesspal.com/account/change_goals_custom and changed it to 10% (30g).
For those that are finding it hard to lose - maybe watch the movie on Netflix - and change the daily amount of sugar to only 10%. Remember there are 4 calories for every gram of sugar.
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You do realize that the 15% that MFP gave you includes the sugars found naturally in food and sugar that has been added during processing?
I seldom go over that 15% and when I do it has been because I have had an extra piece of fruit.
I haven't watched the movie since sugar is not a concern for me but are they advocating against sugar found naturally in foods?0 -
You do realize that the 15% that MFP gave you includes the sugars found naturally in food and sugar that has been added during processing?
I seldom go over that 15% and when I do it has been because I have had an extra piece of fruit.
I haven't watched the movie since sugar is not a concern for me but are they advocating against sugar found naturally in foods?
Nope. Only against those evil, evil sugars removed from plants and put into other foods. Unless you have a medical condition, there's nothing about sugar calories specifically that hinders weight loss.
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Yes I do realize that - and most of my sugar intake is from fresh fruits and veggies. No they are not advocating against natural sugars - and the doctors on the movie stressed that point. Watch the movie for S&G's (that's what we initially did). It's really good.0
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Right the WHO guidelines refer to added sugars. So lowering your MFP sugars doesn't really help since MFP counts fruits, vegetables, and dairy among its sugars.
That said good for you reducing your added sugars. I'm betting most of us could stand to reduce our intake of added sugar.0 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »
Nope. Only against those evil, evil sugars removed from plants and put into other foods. Unless you have a medical condition, there's nothing about sugar calories specifically that hinders weight loss.
Did you watch the movie?
One of the points they really drove home was the fact many people are thinking that the amount of sugar they are ingesting doesn't really affect them - but it does. It showed how the brothers of one overweight kid were also unhealthy even though they were not obese (but pretty much eating the same food). TOFI - thin on the outside, fat on the inside. The thinner boys had over 22% belly fat but would be considered healthy.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Right the WHO guidelines refer to added sugars. So lowering your MFP sugars doesn't really help since MFP counts fruits, vegetables, and dairy among its sugars.
Yes, MFP does track all. The point I was making - and we are getting away from - it the importance of watching the amount of sugars being ingested. Lowering the amount of sugar from 15% to 10% will force me to ensure the amount of sugars I am ingesting are from fruits/veggies - there is now less room for added processed sugars.
If you look at past discussions - the MFP sugar levels are set by dietitians based on their recommendations. Some complained their goal amounts were rather high - and MFP gave the link to adjust those goals (guess they could not be changed at one time). In the past some were getting really high amounts as sugar goals.0 -
In the 80's and 90's, the bad macro was fat. Obviously, fat made people fat because it could go straight to fat without extra processing.
Now, the bad macro is carbs. Obviously, it's carbs that are making you fat because (insert reason here).
Ultimately, eating more calories than your body uses during the day cause you to gain weight no matter which macro those calories come from.
Reducing sugar only reduces weight if you end up eating fewer calories than your body burns.0 -
For me the foods that I consume that have added sugar are selected for a reason...they help me meet my potassium, calcium and iron levels. It is worth the trade off for me.
I do however support your decision to lower your sugar intake. I think that we all have to reach our goals by what works for us as individuals.0 -
In the 80's and 90's, the bad macro was fat. Obviously, fat made people fat because it could go straight to fat without extra processing.
Now, the bad macro is carbs. Obviously, it's carbs that are making you fat because (insert reason here).
Ultimately, eating more calories than your body uses during the day cause you to gain weight no matter which macro those calories come from.
Reducing sugar only reduces weight if you end up eating fewer calories than your body burns.
Just for S&G's watch the movie. It's on Netflix.0 -
For me the foods that I consume that have added sugar are selected for a reason...they help me meet my potassium, calcium and iron levels. It is worth the trade off for me.
I do however support your decision to lower your sugar intake. I think that we all have to reach our goals by what works for us as individuals.
Just wondering if you watched the movie. If not, check it out - it isn't dull (otherwise my husband would have been asleep right away - he stayed awake to the end).
Just curious - what foods do you consume with added sugar that you feel give you a health benefit that is worth the trade off? Not being snarky - just want an example so I understand where you are coming from.0 -
As an interesting counter to the fed up movie, search for fed up fact check and see what you think.
I'm not arguing anything about the movie itself as I inherently distrust documentaries in general and stopped with tv and movies years ago. But, since you're interested in the topic, I thought you would find this interesting.In the 80's and 90's, the bad macro was fat. Obviously, fat made people fat because it could go straight to fat without extra processing.
Now, the bad macro is carbs. Obviously, it's carbs that are making you fat because (insert reason here).
Ultimately, eating more calories than your body uses during the day cause you to gain weight no matter which macro those calories come from.
Reducing sugar only reduces weight if you end up eating fewer calories than your body burns.
Just for S&G's watch the movie. It's on Netflix.0 -
haven't seen the movie and staying away from that whole discussion, but i'm glad about kevin smith!
like this is great
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(holy moly - she was born in 1999. i can't actually make sense of that. time goes so fast when you use people to measure it.
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I drink an 8oz glass of low sodium V8 juice that gives me 900mg of potassium of the 4700mg that I need...7g of sugar.
I eat an iron fortified cereal that gives me 100% of my daily iron...14g of sugar.
If I am low on protein or calcium I use a nonfat greek yogurt with 12g protein - 15% of my calcium...7g of sugar.
That's about it in a day...the rest of my sugar comes from the food itself.
Those above items I use regularly...almost daily. There are a few others such as lite mayo that I use on occasion. I just don't buy a lot of processed foods...not because of the sugar but because of the sodium.
As I said earlier I have not watched the movie...I don't have Netflix for one. The other...I am not concerned about my sugar levels...they are well within the guidelines.0 -
As an interesting counter to the fed up movie, search for fed up fact check and see what you think.
I'm not arguing anything about the movie itself as I inherently distrust documentaries in general and stopped with tv and movies years ago. But, since you're interested in the topic, I thought you would find this interesting.
Thank you - this is some of what I was looking for! As I stated, after watching it - I lowered my sugar goal - which will force me to limit my intake from more fruits/veggies/dairy. Not as much room for the processed sugars.
I don't agree with everything from the movie - but there is quite a bit that is true. For example - our son was the ONLY kid in his Pre-K class that did not recognize the McDonald's symbol. His teacher (she has only been teaching for 3 years) said he was the first student she has had that didn't know it. He's never been there (he's 5 YO). We don't have cable - so he isn't exposed to commercials like other kids (and adults) are. This was one of the points of the movie was trying to get across as well.
You mention distrusting documentaries - however, did you watch it?0 -
I drink an 8oz glass of low sodium V8 juice that gives me 900mg of potassium of the 4700mg that I need...7g of sugar.
I eat an iron fortified cereal that gives me 100% of my daily iron...14g of sugar.
If I am low on protein or calcium I use a nonfat greek yogurt with 12g protein - 15% of my calcium...7g of sugar.
That's about it in a day...the rest of my sugar comes from the food itself.
Those above items I use regularly...almost daily. There are a few others such as lite mayo that I use on occasion. I just don't buy a lot of processed foods...not because of the sugar but because of the sodium.
As I said earlier I have not watched the movie...I don't have Netflix for one. The other...I am not concerned about my sugar levels...they are well within the guidelines.
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I'm Fed Up with Fed Up.
I think if you aim to eat a diet that is mostly nutrient dense whole food... lean protein, plain dairy, fresh fruits, veggies... and just have the occasional treat or packaged food?
You'll do just fine limiting your added sugars.
The problem, in my mind, is not seeing the forest for that sugar-laden tree. The whole scare-mongering proscriptive approach of Fed Up demonizes a single source of something, claiming it's at the root of a very complex problem (which it's not) without offering solutions. A prescriptive approach, offered with a bit more balance, might have a chance of seeming a bit less ... fraught.
Not to mention the fact that some of the information presented in Fed Up is just plain wrong.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/does-the-movie-fed-up-make-sense/0 -
PeachyCarol wrote: »I'm Fed Up with Fed Up.
I think if you aim to eat a diet that is mostly nutrient dense whole food... lean protein, plain dairy, fresh fruits, veggies... and just have the occasional treat or packaged food?
You'll do just fine limiting your added sugars.
The problem, in my mind, is not seeing the forest for that sugar-laden tree. The whole scare-mongering proscriptive approach of Fed Up demonizes a single source of something, claiming it's at the root of a very complex problem (which it's not) without offering solutions. A prescriptive approach, offered with a bit more balance, might have a chance of seeming a bit less ... fraught.
Not to mention the fact that some of the "science" used in Fed Up is just plain wrong.
Sugar intake was one aspect of the movie - the other was the relentless advertising that is aimed at us. I am looking to hear from those watched the movie and see what they took away - and what, if any - changes they made.0 -
As an interesting counter to the fed up movie, search for fed up fact check and see what you think.
I'm not arguing anything about the movie itself as I inherently distrust documentaries in general and stopped with tv and movies years ago. But, since you're interested in the topic, I thought you would find this interesting.
Thank you - this is some of what I was looking for! As I stated, after watching it - I lowered my sugar goal - which will force me to limit my intake from more fruits/veggies/dairy. Not as much room for the processed sugars.
I don't agree with everything from the movie - but there is quite a bit that is true. For example - our son was the ONLY kid in his Pre-K class that did not recognize the McDonald's symbol. His teacher (she has only been teaching for 3 years) said he was the first student she has had that didn't know it. He's never been there (he's 5 YO). We don't have cable - so he isn't exposed to commercials like other kids (and adults) are. This was one of the points of the movie was trying to get across as well.
You mention distrusting documentaries - however, did you watch it?
No, I didn't. I all but swore off tv and popular media in 2001.
I do distrust what I've read about the information in the movie, though I too take issue with the marketing directed at children. I have a 14 year old who grew up without tv (you couldn't pay her to watch it) and I can see how it has affected her vs the other children her age.
ETA: That said, and before anyone jumps on me, I do believe in personal responsibility and teaching our kids and I don't lay obesity solely on the feet of restaurants and their advertisements.0 -
No, I didn't. I all but swore off tv and popular media in 2001.
I do distrust what I've read about the information in the movie, though I too take issue with the marketing directed at children. I have a 14 year old who grew up without tv (you couldn't pay her to watch it) and I can see how it has affected her vs the other children her age.
ETA: That said, and before anyone jumps on me, I do believe in personal responsibility and teaching our kids and I don't lay obesity solely on the feet of restaurants and their advertisements.
I'm with you on taking responsibility for our own actions and how we raise our children. I have been reading (in between reading responses) some of the arguments against the movie - and there are valid points. However, the movie had valid points as well and I am not finding a fair and balanced article that points out both the good and the bad.
BTW - kudos on killing the TV.0 -
PeachyCarol wrote: »
I read this article - thank you for providing the link. However, just like the movie - it is very slanted to one side. The movie is not the end all be all - however, it did have some excellent and valid information! If you haven't seen the movie - you should - then you would have both sides.
As a mother - the points made regarding advertising and schools were very eye-opening and thought provoking.0 -
PeachyCarol wrote: »I'm Fed Up with Fed Up.
I think if you aim to eat a diet that is mostly nutrient dense whole food... lean protein, plain dairy, fresh fruits, veggies... and just have the occasional treat or packaged food?
You'll do just fine limiting your added sugars.
The problem, in my mind, is not seeing the forest for that sugar-laden tree. The whole scare-mongering proscriptive approach of Fed Up demonizes a single source of something, claiming it's at the root of a very complex problem (which it's not) without offering solutions. A prescriptive approach, offered with a bit more balance, might have a chance of seeming a bit less ... fraught.
Not to mention the fact that some of the "science" used in Fed Up is just plain wrong.
Sugar intake was one aspect of the movie - the other was the relentless advertising that is aimed at us. I am looking to hear from those watched the movie and see what they took away - and what, if any - changes they made.
Sorry, I think that's a ridiculous argument. We live in a market economy and them's the breaks. We're not zombies. We're rational beings capable of discernment.
Heaven forbid a business aim to become successful. Just like the film makers are seeking to become successful. It's a tactic to demonize "big business" for wanting to make a profit, and it's a silly one. Successful marketing equals sales, that's it. No one would have a job if companies weren't successful. Including Katie Couric or any of the people featured in that movie.
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As an interesting counter to the fed up movie, search for fed up fact check and see what you think.
I'm not arguing anything about the movie itself as I inherently distrust documentaries in general and stopped with tv and movies years ago. But, since you're interested in the topic, I thought you would find this interesting.
Thank you - this is some of what I was looking for! As I stated, after watching it - I lowered my sugar goal - which will force me to limit my intake from more fruits/veggies/dairy. Not as much room for the processed sugars.
I don't agree with everything from the movie - but there is quite a bit that is true. For example - our son was the ONLY kid in his Pre-K class that did not recognize the McDonald's symbol. His teacher (she has only been teaching for 3 years) said he was the first student she has had that didn't know it. He's never been there (he's 5 YO). We don't have cable - so he isn't exposed to commercials like other kids (and adults) are. This was one of the points of the movie was trying to get across as well.
You mention distrusting documentaries - however, did you watch it?
No, I didn't. I all but swore off tv and popular media in 2001.
I do distrust what I've read about the information in the movie, though I too take issue with the marketing directed at children. I have a 14 year old who grew up without tv (you couldn't pay her to watch it) and I can see how it has affected her vs the other children her age.
ETA: That said, and before anyone jumps on me, I do believe in personal responsibility and teaching our kids and I don't lay obesity solely on the feet of restaurants and their advertisements.
I have children who watched tv.
I told them they couldn't have things, and that includes when they're on their own. I'm lucky, they listen. I let them indulge every now and then too.
It's worked pretty well.
I'm not starting a parental argument here, but rather an argument about how "evil" marketing to children is.
The bottom line on purchasing decisions and how persuasive marketing is? It's always the parents.
I grew up watching a lot of tv. I certainly wanted my fair share of toys and cereals. I never did get a Lite Brite or Lucky Charms, dang it. And I'm 52.
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PeachyCarol wrote: »
As an interesting counter to the fed up movie, search for fed up fact check and see what you think.
I'm not arguing anything about the movie itself as I inherently distrust documentaries in general and stopped with tv and movies years ago. But, since you're interested in the topic, I thought you would find this interesting.
Thank you - this is some of what I was looking for! As I stated, after watching it - I lowered my sugar goal - which will force me to limit my intake from more fruits/veggies/dairy. Not as much room for the processed sugars.
I don't agree with everything from the movie - but there is quite a bit that is true. For example - our son was the ONLY kid in his Pre-K class that did not recognize the McDonald's symbol. His teacher (she has only been teaching for 3 years) said he was the first student she has had that didn't know it. He's never been there (he's 5 YO). We don't have cable - so he isn't exposed to commercials like other kids (and adults) are. This was one of the points of the movie was trying to get across as well.
You mention distrusting documentaries - however, did you watch it?
No, I didn't. I all but swore off tv and popular media in 2001.
I do distrust what I've read about the information in the movie, though I too take issue with the marketing directed at children. I have a 14 year old who grew up without tv (you couldn't pay her to watch it) and I can see how it has affected her vs the other children her age.
ETA: That said, and before anyone jumps on me, I do believe in personal responsibility and teaching our kids and I don't lay obesity solely on the feet of restaurants and their advertisements.
I have children who watched tv.
I told them they couldn't have things, and that includes when they're on their own. I'm lucky, they listen. I let them indulge every now and then too.
It's worked pretty well.
I'm not starting a parental argument here, but rather an argument about how "evil" marketing to children is.
The bottom line on purchasing decisions and how persuasive marketing is? It's always the parents.
I grew up watching a lot of tv. I certainly wanted my fair share of toys and cereals. I never did get a Lite Brite or Lucky Charms, dang it. And I'm 52.
I really don't see where we disagree. I have noting wrong with kids watching tv and I said that I do think it's personal responsibility and parenting.0 -
PeachyCarol wrote: »
I read this article - thank you for providing the link. However, just like the movie - it is very slanted to one side. The movie is not the end all be all - however, it did have some excellent and valid information! If you haven't seen the movie - you should - then you would have both sides.
As a mother - the points made regarding advertising and schools were very eye-opening and thought provoking.
I've already shared my thoughts on advertising. I think that it's too easy to see ourselves as helpless victims in these scenarios, because sensationalist words get thrown around like "subliminal", and the idea is nurtured that there's a conspiracy behind everything to manipulate people into doing stuff they don't want to on a deep level they're not really aware of.
Well, I'm no victim, and I'm not raising victims. I have a voice, and I'm raising my kids with it. We communicate. It's ... really that easy.
They know the difference between "always" and "sometimes" foods and when they can and can't have them.
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The reason why people are overweight and obese is because of over consumption. There are lots and lots of countries that indulge in sugar in high amounts and do fine with having a regular weight. The reason they aren't..............they don't over consume. Brazil as a country consumes more sugar than the US.
Documentaries are pretty much one sided. They will emphasize on their agenda and not give enough countering evidence play time.
As a professional in the business, I can truly say that the clients that ended up maintaining their weight did a diet of moderation. I've had many that lost on low carb, low sugar, etc., but they have also been the ones I see a few months to a year later having regained a good amount of weight.
It's not rocket science. Yes you want to reduce added sugar if you eat a lot of it, but it doesn't have to be down to 25g a day like many "gurus" tell you. The biggest reduction should be in total calories consumed for the average American.
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PeachyCarol wrote: »PeachyCarol wrote: »
I read this article - thank you for providing the link. However, just like the movie - it is very slanted to one side. The movie is not the end all be all - however, it did have some excellent and valid information! If you haven't seen the movie - you should - then you would have both sides.
As a mother - the points made regarding advertising and schools were very eye-opening and thought provoking.
I've already shared my thoughts on advertising. I think that it's too easy to see ourselves as helpless victims in these scenarios, because sensationalist words get thrown around like "subliminal", and the idea is nurtured that there's a conspiracy behind everything to manipulate people into doing stuff they don't want to on a deep level they're not really aware of.
You do know that psychologists work as marketing consultants, to ensure that ads are targeted to be appealing to kids in ways that take advantage of their developmental phase? Down to use of colour, form, narrative, characters - all of that. You can call it a "conspiracy" to derogate people who take issue with this practice if you want. But that actually happens. And some think it's unethical.
It's ultimately down to parents, yes, but it's not like it's a level playing field.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Right the WHO guidelines refer to added sugars. So lowering your MFP sugars doesn't really help since MFP counts fruits, vegetables, and dairy among its sugars.
Yes, MFP does track all. The point I was making - and we are getting away from - it the importance of watching the amount of sugars being ingested. Lowering the amount of sugar from 15% to 10% will force me to ensure the amount of sugars I am ingesting are from fruits/veggies - there is now less room for added processed sugars.
If you look at past discussions - the MFP sugar levels are set by dietitians based on their recommendations. Some complained their goal amounts were rather high - and MFP gave the link to adjust those goals (guess they could not be changed at one time). In the past some were getting really high amounts as sugar goals.
And the point I was making is that you don't need to lower your overall "sugar" number, just focus getting the majority of your "sugar" from vegetables, fruits and dairy rather than Krispy Kremes.
ps: I eat very little added sugars relatively speaking.0
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