Have we been really wrong?
jayce54321
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"Over the past decade, research has shown that a diet rich in healthy fats can be better for people, particularly if those fats help offset consumption of foods containing high levels of salt, sugar and refined grains...
Low-fat diets have had unintended consequences, turning people away from healthy high-fat foods and toward foods rich in added sugars, starches and refined grains. This has helped fuel the twin epidemics of obesity and diabetes in America"
http://www.myhealthytoday.com/html/topicdetails.asp?pid=1&topic_id=24529&puid=139049&flag=1
Low-fat diets have had unintended consequences, turning people away from healthy high-fat foods and toward foods rich in added sugars, starches and refined grains. This has helped fuel the twin epidemics of obesity and diabetes in America"
http://www.myhealthytoday.com/html/topicdetails.asp?pid=1&topic_id=24529&puid=139049&flag=1
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Yep, we were wrong!jayce54321 wrote: »"Over the past decade, research has shown that a diet rich in healthy fats can be better for people, particularly if those fats help offset consumption of foods containing high levels of salt, sugar and refined grains...
Low-fat diets have had unintended consequences, turning people away from healthy high-fat foods and toward foods rich in added sugars, starches and refined grains. This has helped fuel the twin epidemics of obesity and diabetes in America"
http://www.myhealthytoday.com/html/topicdetails.asp?pid=1&topic_id=24529&puid=139049&flag=1
People into health and fitness have always known this. As for the human herd, no, but word is getting out.
Those who desire the truth can find it.
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Wrong about what? That fat doesn't make you fat?0
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Welcome to 2015...0
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This is something that confused me about MFP when I first started with it. If you look under the Nutrition tab, under the nutrients, the "Goal" for the unsaturated fats are 0 but they allow saturated fats, my "Goal" for those is 14 g.
Unsaturated fats are the ones that have the most health benefits, why is our goal to consume 0 then? Saturated fats are bad, so why am I aiming to eat any?0 -
It was the T Factor diet that purported that fat makes fat. So we had fat free cookies. Atkins said that carbs make fat. He had folks eating bacon and lettuce. Now we know that a diet of mostly whole foods, healthy fats, and balance along with a generous dose of exercise makes all the difference on health.0
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GuitarJerry wrote: »Yes. This is fairly common knowledge.
I used to think this too, but I'm a little shocked sometimes at how many people still think fat is something to be avoided as much as possible.0 -
And yet there are still people, albeit a minority of people, who get healthier cholesterol readings if they decrease the amount of fat in their diet. People are not all alike.0
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It was the T Factor diet that purported that fat makes fat. So we had fat free cookies. Atkins said that carbs make fat. He had folks eating bacon and lettuce. Now we know that a diet of mostly whole foods, healthy fats, and balance along with a generous dose of exercise makes all the difference on health.
This!!0 -
Yes. Something's gotta give.0
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lithezebra wrote: »And yet there are still people, albeit a minority of people, who get healthier cholesterol readings if they decrease the amount of fat in their diet. People are not all alike.
All fats are not created equal when it comes to things like cholesterol numbers. Avocado, nuts, seeds, olive oil are all good ways to raise your HDL (a good thing), while many animal fats can raise LDL and triglycerides (a bad thing). This is not to say that the calories differ between "healthy" and "non healthy" fats.0 -
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FunSizedKJ wrote: »This is something that confused me about MFP when I first started with it. If you look under the Nutrition tab, under the nutrients, the "Goal" for the unsaturated fats are 0 but they allow saturated fats, my "Goal" for those is 14 g.
Unsaturated fats are the ones that have the most health benefits, why is our goal to consume 0 then? Saturated fats are bad, so why am I aiming to eat any?
I can see that being confusing! I think that it is trying to say limit your saturated fats to 14g a day (probably based on RDA guidelines) but there isn't really a limit of unsaturated fats other than over all fats. So you "should" eat up to 14g of saturated fats and fill the rest of your daily fat needs with unsaturated. It would be less confusing, I'm sure, if the just subtracted the 14 from your total fats and used that for unsaturated, but say you only had 7g of saturated ... you can have those extra 7 in unsaturated rather than not at all. (I hope this helped clear it up rather than make it more confusing).
There are people who believe that saturated fats aren't as bad for us as we've been told, as well, and that we only need to watch overall fats. There are also many who look at fat (and protein) as minimum levels to meet. I know that there is a certain amount of essential fats we need to consume, so they have at least something of a valid point. FTR, I only track overall fats when paying attention to macros.0 -
The truth has always been true and logical thinking people knew the truth.
Unfortunately there are a lot of hucksters trying to sell books and diets that are false. Money is a great motivator. The gullible are always looking for an easier path than self control.0 -
In other news, ice cream is cold.0
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »Yes. This is fairly common knowledge.
I used to think this too, but I'm a little shocked sometimes at how many people still think fat is something to be avoided as much as possible.
and sugar. sugar is evil0 -
Pinnacle_IAO wrote: »
Yep, we were wrong!jayce54321 wrote: »"Over the past decade, research has shown that a diet rich in healthy fats can be better for people, particularly if those fats help offset consumption of foods containing high levels of salt, sugar and refined grains...
Low-fat diets have had unintended consequences, turning people away from healthy high-fat foods and toward foods rich in added sugars, starches and refined grains. This has helped fuel the twin epidemics of obesity and diabetes in America"
http://www.myhealthytoday.com/html/topicdetails.asp?pid=1&topic_id=24529&puid=139049&flag=1
People into health and fitness have always known this. As for the human herd, no, but word is getting out.
Those who desire the truth can find it.
I'm not sure what you mean by "always", but I was taught in reputable college courses in the 1980s that of course fat makes you fat, and that low fat diets were by far the best choice.
Underlying all that was of course still conservation of energy, but the thinking was that, with 9 kcal/g for fats vs 4 kcal/g for carbohydrates, people should eat more of the latter to get more food for fewer calories.0 -
lol. ok.Pinnacle_IAO wrote: »
Yep, we were wrong!jayce54321 wrote: »"Over the past decade, research has shown that a diet rich in healthy fats can be better for people, particularly if those fats help offset consumption of foods containing high levels of salt, sugar and refined grains...
Low-fat diets have had unintended consequences, turning people away from healthy high-fat foods and toward foods rich in added sugars, starches and refined grains. This has helped fuel the twin epidemics of obesity and diabetes in America"
http://www.myhealthytoday.com/html/topicdetails.asp?pid=1&topic_id=24529&puid=139049&flag=1
People into health and fitness have always known this. As for the human herd, no, but word is getting out.
Those who desire the truth can find it.0 -
FunSizedKJ wrote: »This is something that confused me about MFP when I first started with it. If you look under the Nutrition tab, under the nutrients, the "Goal" for the unsaturated fats are 0 but they allow saturated fats, my "Goal" for those is 14 g.
Unsaturated fats are the ones that have the most health benefits, why is our goal to consume 0 then? Saturated fats are bad, so why am I aiming to eat any?
I can see that being confusing! I think that it is trying to say limit your saturated fats to 14g a day (probably based on RDA guidelines) but there isn't really a limit of unsaturated fats other than over all fats. So you "should" eat up to 14g of saturated fats and fill the rest of your daily fat needs with unsaturated. It would be less confusing, I'm sure, if the just subtracted the 14 from your total fats and used that for unsaturated, but say you only had 7g of saturated ... you can have those extra 7 in unsaturated rather than not at all. (I hope this helped clear it up rather than make it more confusing).
There are people who believe that saturated fats aren't as bad for us as we've been told, as well, and that we only need to watch overall fats. There are also many who look at fat (and protein) as minimum levels to meet. I know that there is a certain amount of essential fats we need to consume, so they have at least something of a valid point. FTR, I only track overall fats when paying attention to macros.
That's the same conclusion I ended up coming to, it just rocked my brain in the very beginning! It makes sense once it is laid out like that but for the longest time I was getting so mad because there was no way of avoiding seeing the red, negative number in the "Remaining" column.0 -
I was raised on the F-plan, from which my mother somehow deduced that wholemeal bread was the be-all and end-all of diets. We very rarely had any protein, very little dairy (we used to get told off for drinking all the milk or eating all the cheese). Meat was something served once or twice a week, in small amounts and the rest was carbs, carbs, carbs. Potatoes every day, sandwiches every lunch, barely a vegetable or a piece of lean meat in sight.
Obviously, I'm still fat so it didn't work! But she still reckons protein is bad. She keeps trying to tell me that protein makes tumours grow. So I guess it's not old news for everyone.0 -
I eat a low-fat, high-carb diet and do not eat lots of added sugars, sodium or refined grains...unless flour counts. I eat bread. But I make it myself and use unbleached flour.
You can go low-fat and remain healthy. Promise.
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I eat a low-fat, high-carb diet and do not eat lots of added sugars, sodium or refined grains...unless flour counts. I eat bread. But I make it myself and use unbleached flour.
You can go low-fat and remain healthy. Promise.
I believe you, but why would flour not count as a refined grain? How much more refined could it get than flour?0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I eat a low-fat, high-carb diet and do not eat lots of added sugars, sodium or refined grains...unless flour counts. I eat bread. But I make it myself and use unbleached flour.
You can go low-fat and remain healthy. Promise.
I believe you, but why would flour not count as a refined grain? How much more refined could it get than flour?
I would count it, which is why I brought it up.
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jayce54321 wrote: »"Over the past decade, research has shown that a diet rich in healthy fats can be better for people, particularly if those fats help offset consumption of foods containing high levels of salt, sugar and refined grains...
Low-fat diets have had unintended consequences, turning people away from healthy high-fat foods and toward foods rich in added sugars, starches and refined grains. This has helped fuel the twin epidemics of obesity and diabetes in America"
http://www.myhealthytoday.com/html/topicdetails.asp?pid=1&topic_id=24529&puid=139049&flag=1
Where does this mysterious American (actually average first world citizen) who is fat and does not consume fat lives? It sounds to me more like that the problem is overconsumption of sugar, starch and refined grain in addition to overconsumption of fat. The average person who is overweight really is not just drinking soda and eating huge amounts of white breads. It is more meat-based diet, fried food based diet, and then lots of refined sugar on top, not one instead of the other.0 -
jayce54321 wrote: »"Over the past decade, research has shown that a diet rich in healthy fats can be better for people, particularly if those fats help offset consumption of foods containing high levels of salt, sugar and refined grains...
Low-fat diets have had unintended consequences, turning people away from healthy high-fat foods and toward foods rich in added sugars, starches and refined grains. This has helped fuel the twin epidemics of obesity and diabetes in America"
http://www.myhealthytoday.com/html/topicdetails.asp?pid=1&topic_id=24529&puid=139049&flag=1
Where does this mysterious American (actually average first world citizen) who is fat and does not consume fat lives? It sounds to me more like that the problem is overconsumption of sugar, starch and refined grain in addition to overconsumption of fat. The average person who is overweight really is not just drinking soda and eating huge amounts of white breads. It is more meat-based diet, fried food based diet, and then lots of refined sugar on top, not one instead of the other.
I tend to agree. It's the combination of fat and fast digesting carbs that is often so appealing. Potato chips, donuts, french fries, chocolate, fried cheese sticks, breaded fried anything/everything ...0 -
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What happened, years ago, is this: people were overeating fat (and probably everything in general). Doctors advised people to eat less fat in favor or more veggies/fruit. But what actually happened was food companies created lowfat cookies and snacks...so people ate them. And ate them. And ate more of them. And kept getting fatter. So now the conclusion is that fat was never evil in the first place--must be the carbs.
Certainly some healthy fat is good for us. That doesn't mean endless fat, and it doesn't mean that carbs are evil. It just means that when doctors advised us to cut down on fat, we were supposed to eat more produce and WE FAILED.0 -
When I was a teenager I wanted to lose weight... So I decided to go on a "low fat" diet... I limited fat to 10g or less per day, and didn't pay attention to anything else... I definitely lost weight to the tune of about 5 lbs a week, but felt yucky all the time and I ate so much sugar and candy because it was "fat free." Basically this lol... I wouldnt recommend it:
http://www.riffsy.com/view/riff/3651277/New-fat-free-diet-Romy-Michele-s-High-School-Reunion?page=undefined0
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